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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:30 PM   #126
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Well, we are the greatest nation on earth. Ohh yea, and we invented the Internet. You are again welcome, sir.
Britain invented the World Wide Web, well an Englishman anyway. Yes it is different to the international network, I believe the American army came up with that?

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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:31 PM   #127
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Because Australia isn't socialist, people there have more money to spare.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:36 PM   #128
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:36 PM   #129
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What you and most people don't understand is that even with the high australian dollar, people are paying way more than they should for most things. It *IS* price gouging. People in australia have had a gut full, and thats why they buy direct from overseas these days.

Even with taxes accounted for, stuff overseas is always cheaper. That's why bricks and mortar retail in australia is suffering. You could add 20% tax, and it would still be cheaper to buy direct from the US.
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[url=http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/11/apple-microsoft-and-adobe-required-to-explain-high-pricing-in-australia/]

For example, the base 27-inch iMac is priced at $1799 in the United States, ... comes in at A$1817 (US$1867) in Australia and 1249 (US$1960)..., for price premiums of 3.8%....

For the 16 GB Wi-Fi iPad, the difference is even smaller once taxes have been accounted for, with the device priced at $499 in the United States, A$490 (US$503.38) in Australia ... for price premiums of 0.9%....
Yep. That 20% tax you propose adding would *definitely* fit into the 3.8% or 0.9% price premium on the iMac and iPad.

Something tells me you didn't actually read the article before you complained.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:44 PM   #130
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What you and most people don't understand is that even with the high australian dollar, people are paying way more than they should for most things. It *IS* price gouging. People in australia have had a gut full, and thats why they buy direct from overseas these days.

Even with taxes accounted for, stuff overseas is always cheaper. That's why bricks and mortar retail in australia is suffering. You could add 20% tax, and it would still be cheaper to buy direct from the US.

The worst example is software. Why, for something that is delivered electronically, should somebody pay upward of 300% more than their US cousins? That's mainly what the complaint is about.

It's not just about imacs.

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A very good example of how poorly currency exchange rates are understood. The pricing affect you are seeing is because of the high Australian dollar, not despite it. Of course everything is going to looks cheaper overseas. And do you know how you take advantage of the strong Australian dollar? Travel. Spend your strong currency elsewhere. When your national currency is strong, the world is on sale -- but you have to go there, because those prices will not be brought to you. Sorry if that's inconvenient, but this is the way it works. This is the way it has always worked.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:44 PM   #131
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Don't overlook the real issue, which is the weak U.S. dollar, a situation that other countries tend to resent because it makes our products more profitable abroad and their products more expensive here. The U.S. makes the same complaint against China, and other countries that use undervalued currencies to boost exports.
USD does not look weak to me, USD buying power is very strong compared to Chinese RMB buying power, for the same iMac.

USA customers pay less to buy an iMac shipped from China to their home (free shipping), versus Chinese pay more to buy an iMac made in China.

Life in the USA is wonderful, isn't it?
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:51 PM   #132
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:54 PM   #133
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Good for Australia, a country which cares a little about its consumers.

Why don't I see more articles about Europe? where 1$=1EUR in Apple's mind, and it's not just Apple which is doing this, most global companies have this policy.

And don't tell me that cr*p about VAT. It's still not the same price, and, in U.S., there are states where's a free-of-tax day.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:54 PM   #134
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:55 PM   #135
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:55 PM   #136
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:56 PM   #137
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USD does not look weak to me, USD buying power is very strong compared to Chinese RMB buying power, for the same iMac.

USA customers pay less to buy an iMac shipped from China to their home (free shipping), versus Chinese pay more to buy an iMac made in China.

Life in the USA is wonderful, isn't it?
Shipping is not the issue, and the Chinese currency is also a poor example, since it is pegged to the USD. Further the Chinese government actively discourages consumption. This is a big trade issue between China and the rest of the world.

Check out this chart of the exchange rates between the USD and the AD since 2000.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:56 PM   #138
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25% tax?

What. The. ****.

Glad I didn't take that job in Norway last summer. :/
It's the price of actually taking care of citizens. Even as a temporary worker under a visa you would have gotten free healthcare. In the US I was hit by a car and my medical bills, even with insurance, were enough to bankrupt some people; it's like we're still barbarians.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:58 PM   #139
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If the good people of Australia are unhappy with the pricing, they should refrain from buying it. When Apple realizes their products aren't selling well, they will look into the reasons and adjust their strategy.

This is the essence of the free market. To turn towards your government to investigate pricing (with the intent to bring that pricing down) is blatant theft. No different than the mafia taking a cut of your earnings for the 'privilege' of letting you do business in their neighborhood.

It is entirely up to consumers and producers to determine an equilibrium market price. Interfering in voluntary transactions among consenting parties is the exact reason we (as a planet) are in such economic ruin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_theory_of_value
http://learnliberty.org/content/unin...price-controls


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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:58 PM   #140
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i just registered here to say that in Brazil we are paying so much more than everyone else.

Examples:

Mac Mini in the (US) $599 / (BR) $1250
13 inch
MacBook Pro i7 dual core in the (US) $1499 / (BR) $3000
MacBook Pro Retina i5 in the (US) $1699 / (BR) $3500
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MacBook Pro i7 quad core with retina in the (US) $2799 / (BR) $6250

(values in dollars)

ps: i'm aware that we have gov taxes too but yeah, tell me about pricing but wait.. we get free shipping (cuz who would have money for that when you are already paying twice the value of the product right?)!!
IIRC Brazil has large tariffs. It's why Apple is starting to make products for your market in Brazil, so that they can sell them without the markup.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:59 PM   #141
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Everyone is saying " but this country is paying more and they don't complain "

Well it's good that Australia is complaining as the other country's don't have the balls to, they are happy to pay whatever their told to.... like good obedient citizens.
I'm sure if Americans had to pay more than the rest of the world .... Well they would proberly just declare war on them lol
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:00 PM   #142
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Shenzhen - Sydney = 4587 Miles
Shenzhen - Los Angeles = 6888 Miles

So further you ship the cheaper it is
He is right though.. Australia is not as big of a market which is why that the prices are also high.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:02 PM   #144
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Shipping is not the issue, and the Chinese currency is also a poor example, since it is pegged to the USD. Further the Chinese government actively discourages consumption. This is a big trade issue between China and the rest of the world.

Check out this chart of the exchange rates between the USD and the AD since 2000.
This is also part of the problem. Apple adjusts prices in markets when the currency exchange rate has maintained a level for a certain period of time. They don't change it constantly. The Aussie dollar has been getting stronger and stronger against the $US, and Apple has adjusted over time, but they don't do it daily, weekly or even monthly.

If they were to lower prices only to have the Aussie dollar weaken significantly, all of a sudden they would be losing margin and be forced to raise prices, something everyone hates.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:03 PM   #145
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A joke, I hope, because Apple pays their college educated Design engineers, Manufacturing engineers, Material engineers, Electrical engineers, Software engineers, and every other highly skilled position a bit more than slave labor prices.
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From an ABC documentary on one of the factories Apple uses in China

"the entry-level salary of just 180 per month is so low that it would take more than two months salary to pay for the cheapest iPad.
Even if the lowest earners do the maximum available overtime of 80 hours per month, they still do not earn enough to pay tax."

Some joke.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:03 PM   #146
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That's how much it costs to ship products to the Edge of the Known Universe.
They're built in China. Get a map. Connect the dots.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:06 PM   #147
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Shipping is not the issue, and the Chinese currency is also a poor example, since it is pegged to the USD. Further the Chinese government actively discourages consumption. This is a big trade issue between China and the rest of the world.

Check out this chart of the exchange rates between the USD and the AD since 2000.
I think Apple sets the price of iMac in China and the USA. It has nothing to do with Chinese government actively discourages consumption. I would say Chinese government encourage consumption so that they don't need to depend on US market in the future.

Indeed, the current Apple customers in China are doing much better than average US customers financially. Apple brand is kind of Gucci and LV to those rich Chinese customers.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:07 PM   #148
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That's how much it costs to ship products to the Edge of the Known Universe.
Because America is the center of the known universe...? Bloody Americans!
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:12 PM   #149
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It's an election year in Australia, and the current government is on the nose, so it has to look like it cares when it actually doesn't, and take a stick to big business in this type of way. It is an incredibly wasteful government, racking up a $300 billion dollar deficit in just 5 years. As reported, once you take taxes out, the difference is a piddling 3%. iTunes music is another thing, but the Australian music industry bartered for a higher slice of the pie, making songs far more expensive than in the US, but this has never really been explained.

We've had a fuel inquiry that came to nothing, and an inquiry into grocery prices, that led to nothing. Again, a stupid government pretending to do something, so take it as a diversion in an election year, and this government will be thrown out on its ear later this year.
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Australia has a pretty high median income, and they're not a country of hundreds of millions of people. They're isolated in a fairly big ocean with not a lot of importing. Of course their prices are going to be higher. Some of it may be simply because companies can charge more because the people there have a very high average wage, some of it is definitely because shipping costs are higher. A lot of it is actually taxes.
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