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Old Jan 28, 2012, 08:35 PM   #1
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Macintosh LC II doesn't turn on

Hello,

My Boss gifted me with a Mac LC II kept turned off for years. Last time she turned it on it was working. I never fixed an old Mac, but I have some experience with PCs. In the PC world, normally I can bring them back to live cleaning sockets or replacing the power transformer or memories.

However, this Mac doesn't show any signs of living. PCs generally produce those BIOS diagnostic beeps. But at least in modern Macs, Apple devices are pretty silent on giving feedback about lower level issues (the lack of HDD led on Macbooks is a good example).

Any suggestions?

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Old Jan 30, 2012, 04:03 PM   #2
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If you're getting absolutely NO sounds at all, you possibly have a flat battery.

Remove the battery from the logic board and let the machine sit for a day. Then try powering it up WITHOUT the battery. It won't harm the machine to run it without the battery.

Another possibility is a faulty power switch. Very common on the LC power supplies. Options are, replace the power supply, replace the switch, or bridge the switch.

I assume you have a monitor and keyboard?

Also note that the power supplies are NOT auto-ranging. IE, if the machine is a 110V version, and it's been plugged into 220V, the power supply is probably damaged.
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Old Jan 30, 2012, 11:48 PM   #3
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I have experienced that to, just crack it open, pour out the dust, and start the fan like a wwI airman.

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Old Mar 14, 2012, 07:42 PM   #4
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If you're getting absolutely NO sounds at all, you possibly have a flat battery.

Remove the battery from the logic board and let the machine sit for a day. Then try powering it up WITHOUT the battery. It won't harm the machine to run it without the battery.

Another possibility is a faulty power switch. Very common on the LC power supplies. Options are, replace the power supply, replace the switch, or bridge the switch.

I assume you have a monitor and keyboard?

Also note that the power supplies are NOT auto-ranging. IE, if the machine is a 110V version, and it's been plugged into 220V, the power supply is probably damaged.
Thanks for the answer. I followed your first tip and nothing happened. I also installed a brand new battery in the logic board but it continues without giving a sign of life.

I researched about using the ADB keyboard and mouse with my Macbook so I've found that a cause for LCII doesn't turn on is a defective fuse in the logic board. This happens usually when the user pulls the cables out with the computer turned on (earlier ADB implementations were not hot swapable). So I'll also check that fuse.

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I'll try it, thanks!
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Old Mar 18, 2012, 03:28 PM   #5
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Another possibility is a faulty power switch. Very common on the LC power supplies. Options are, replace the power supply, replace the switch, or bridge the switch.
Yup, thats what happened to mine except the power supply just started smoking one day. The 68040 card probably did more harm than good for it in the longrun.
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 06:32 PM   #6
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Sorry for bringing back an old post.

OP - did you ever get your LCII started again?

I have an LC that I haven't started in about 10 years that I thought I would try it out.

I switched it on and all I got was a clicking noise from the speaker - nothing else.
I know the internal battery was dead, so I haven't replaced that yet. I did try starting the LC with no battery but I didn't wait the suggested day.
I unplugged the HD, reseated the ram and vram. Still no joy.
The power supply does start to get warm.

I haven't tried to manually kick start the fan yet either.

Any ideas?
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Sorry for bringing back an old post.

OP - did you ever get your LCII started again?

I have an LC that I haven't started in about 10 years that I thought I would try it out.

I switched it on and all I got was a clicking noise from the speaker - nothing else.
I know the internal battery was dead, so I haven't replaced that yet. I did try starting the LC with no battery but I didn't wait the suggested day.
I unplugged the HD, reseated the ram and vram. Still no joy.
The power supply does start to get warm.

I haven't tried to manually kick start the fan yet either.

Any ideas?
If it's a continuous ticking, then something is holding the power supply down. It's a fail-safe mode of Switch Mode Power Supplies.

It could be a fault in the power supply itself or anywhere in the computer.

Try disconnecting everything EXCEPT the speaker. Remove the RAM and battery too.

Another possibility is capacitors that have leaked on the motherboard. They are unfortunately very common.

If you see the capacitors pictured below with what appears to be a wet "stain" around them, they need to be removed, the board cleaned and new capacitors fitted. It's not a task for the beginner and requires pretty good soldering skills.

Sometimes these bad capacitors can prevent the sound circuit from working so hooking up a monitor AND fitting some RAM may be required to see if anything is working.

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Old Feb 10, 2013, 10:28 PM   #8
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Capacitors

I second capacitors, but not just on the motherboard. Power supply will need new ones also.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 03:20 AM   #9
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Looks like it's game over for my LC.

I tried starting with everything unplugged and all of the ram and vram removed. No joy, still get the clicking noise.

Found spots of clear fluid on the circuit board, not directly around the capacitors but in random places on top of small bits of solder.
I'm not experienced enough to solder or go anywhere near a circuit board.
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You could ask someone like me or Oberon 68kmla to recap the board for you. It wouldn't be free but we do it to keep old macs alive.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 04:29 PM   #11
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Havokalien - thanks for the offer, unfortunately I'm on the other side of the world in New Zealand, so it would be cost prohibitive for me to do so.

I'm sure there are people in NZ that could replace the capacitors but I don't know of anyone.

A bit of a shame, as the rest of the computer is in pretty good condition.
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Old Sep 29, 2013, 05:34 PM   #12
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iRacer -- just saw your thread -- if you still have LC not working I suggest you check for a Macintosh User Group in your town -- there are many through NZ. See if someone will lend you a working power supply for half an hour -- it's very simple to remove your supply and substitute a working one, one screw to remove the cover and one plug to undo then the supply clips out. If the clicking noise stops and the fan starts working you know the power supply is the problem. I'd agree that the capacitors are the most likely problem and if you are lucky the faulty one(s) may be noticeable. Otherwise replacing them all might be your best approach.
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Is there an easy way to track down any Macintosh User Groups around the U.S? Possible for one in Indiana
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Get my data off my LCII HD

Hi All,

I just removed my HD from my old Mac LCII HD. The computer is dead...
Does anyone know who may be able to help me get the data off the drive onto a CD?

Thanks,

Adam
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Old Jan 14, 2014, 01:04 AM   #17
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Anyone with another Mac .. is a start. There are services that will do that for a price. Look for Data Transfer services that support Mac.

However .. are you sure the computer is dead?

What constitutes the diagnostic?

A PRAM battery can cause them to not turn on, or in the case of an LC series, to turn on and do nothing. However with the LC, turning off and back on again within a couple seconds usually lets it boot the second time.
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