Off-topc from President Obama State of Union thread

[hobo.hopkins]

Originally Posted by Peace

A good number of Mac Pro's were built in Ireland. They don't pay workers 35 cents an hour there.

Exactly, because they have a competitive corporate tax rate.

Originally Posted by irun5k

200 new jobs. 20 million + looking for jobs?

I'm glad that the President mentioned this move by Apple; an initiative by the most valuable publicly-traded company in the world to move manufacturing into the United States is noteworthy. Apple can't realistically move every job that is currently overseas into the United States overnight. Shouldn't you be applauding their effort rather than demeaning their initiative?

[KPOM]

Originally Posted by Arcady

Will these Macs really be "made" in USA, or just assembled from Chinese components in USA? Because I can buy a Dell that is assembled in the USA, but it is full of Asian components.

We need to make chips, boards, lasers, and batteries here. It's pathetic that so many parts have to come from overseas.

In order to say "made" in the USA some substantive manufacturing has to take place here. They can't simply insert a few screws into a mostly-put-together computer and call it "made in the USA."

[b166er]

I'll be impressed when they move the production of iPhones, iPads, and iPods to the US, or even North America in general. The Mac, as beautiful as a machine as it is, doesn't even beging to compare to an iDevice in terms of sales. They can afford to make Macs in America (although I wonder how much is actually being made in the US and how much is just "assembled" here) because they don't rely too much on Mac sales for their huge profits. They could nix making computers all together and still be an insanely profitable company (but please don't, I love my MBP!).

And yes I understand that oversees production is part of their pricing model. And I know that Americans rely on cheap labor for all sorts of products. But with so many people in the US looking for work, I think it's actually possible to have Americans building iPhones, making a fair wage, and not tampering too much with the profits. Yeah they wouldn't make as much per unit, but the chance to seriously be a major player in the recovery of your home team... that means a lot, and it would give you a lot of political power.

[imageWIS]

Originally Posted by fel10

Let the Fox News bashing begin.

Sounds good to me. They are factually the worst of the 3 major news networks.

[chasemac]

Originally Posted by Solomani

Not necessary. Apple will bring back the manufacturing to strategic US cities that are willing to make concessions to Apple. While employing the more-expensive American labor might seem expensive for Apple.... remember that Apple is a master of getting great deals and preferential treatment from cities. That's how they establish Apple Retail Stores. If that means the municipality or the state will give Apple a nice tax break or other incentive, then that's one way to help Apple break even with respect to the "increased labor cost".

Don't underestimate Apple's ability to do this. They've been doing it for years with their Apple Stores. Setting up new factories may use a similar strategy.

This can be true and I wouldn't underestimate Apple Inc. as long as they are making the Robots. I'm speaking of manufacturing.

[mdriftmeyer]

Really, Macrumors?

FOX News? Thanks for letting us know your slant.

[Breaking Good]

200 jobs.

Meanwhile how many people does Foxconn employ in China making Apple products?

This is what the President considers a success story of his Administration.

Sorry, but Apple represents everything that is wrong with the Unites States, not what's right.

[webbuzz]

Originally Posted by imageWIS

Sounds good to me. They are factually the worst of the 3 major news networks.

I love it when MSNBC and NBC edit audio and video.

[mdriftmeyer]

Originally Posted by hobo.hopkins

Exactly, because they have a competitive corporate tax rate.



I'm glad that the President mentioned this move by Apple; an initiative by the most valuable publicly-traded company in the world to move manufacturing into the United States is noteworthy. Apple can't realistically move every job that is currently overseas into the United States overnight. Shouldn't you be applauding their effort rather than demeaning their initiative?

US Corporate Tax rates with incentives is effectively equal or less than Ireland who bankrupted itself by giving their effective levels of tax rates to corporations. Bank of Ireland went belly up as did others and the EU bailed them out.

[WestonHarvey1]

Originally Posted by Punkwaffle

I've been coming to this site for years and feel slighted that this picture sports the fox "news" logo.

Right. It was on Fox News, so obviously this didn't happen. The president made no mention of this in his speech. Tim Cook wasn't even there.

[haxrnick]

Originally Posted by imageWIS

Sounds good to me. They are factually the worst of the 3 major news networks.

If the lies are so easy to count, perhaps you can list, say, your top 3. Maybe FOX used forged documents to try and take down a presidential nominee. Oops! No, that was actually CBS. Maybe FOX altered an audiotape to turn public opinion against a potential defendant in a murder trial. Oops! No, that was actually NBC. Maybe some FOX journalists were discovered to have committed plagiarism. Oops! No, that was the New York Times.

[MSM Hobbes]

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

Really, Macrumors?

FOX News? Thanks for letting us know your slant.

Oh good grief… and if MR would have had a screen shot image from XYZ, there'd be people beotching about them too.

IT IS JUST A PHOTO OF TIM COOK.

Now, with that said, who is that sitting to Tim's left (our right)?

[TC400]

Steve would have never attended such bull ****...

[hobo.hopkins]

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

US Corporate Tax rates with incentives is effectively equal or less than Ireland who bankrupted itself by giving their effective levels of tax rates to corporations. Bank of Ireland went belly up as did others and the EU bailed them out.

I wasn't making a comment as to its efficacy; the reason that major production and manufacturing occurs in Ireland is primarily due to its comparatively low corporate tax rate.

[cuestakid]

Originally Posted by MSM Hobbes

Oh good grief… and if MR would have had a screen shot image from XYZ, there'd be people beotching about them too.

IT IS JUST A PHOTO OF TIM COOK.

Now, with that said, who is that sitting to Tim's left (our right)?

I think it was the wife of the police officer who was shot 12 times in the shooting in Wisconsin this summer

[Breaking Good]

I guess I'm the only person who sees a problem with having the CEO of a major corporation featured so prominently at the State of the Union address.

Lets's turn this around a bit. What if George Bush had featured the CEO of Exxon/Mobile the same way at one of his State of the Union addresses. Would anyone have had a problem with that?

I'm willing to bet that Exxon/Mobile employs more Americans than Apple.

[webbuzz]

Originally Posted by cuestakid

I think it was the wife of the police officer who was shot 12 times in the shooting in Wisconsin this summer

You are correct.

[WestonHarvey1]

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

Really, Macrumors?

FOX News? Thanks for letting us know your slant.

Does it matter what network the speech was watched on? You do realize it's broadcast exactly the same on all of them, right?

[jlgolson]

Originally Posted by MSM Hobbes

Oh good grief… and if MR would have had a screen shot image from XYZ, there'd be people beotching about them too.

IT IS JUST A PHOTO OF TIM COOK.

Now, with that said, who is that sitting to Tim's left (our right)?

If I'm recognizing her photo correctly, I believe it's Amanda E. McMillan from Jackson, Mississippi.

For years Amanda McMillan worked as a secretary, doing many of the same duties as male salespeople but at lower pay. When she repeatedly asked for a promotion, McMillan was told sales was too dangerous for a woman, and that she would not be a good mother if she were on the road meeting customers. She sued the company for sex discrimination, and won. McMillan brought the suit because, “it was wrong. I could never look my girls in the face and then tell them they live in America and could be anything they wanted to be.” A mother of three, she lives in Jackson, MS.

[hobo.hopkins]

Originally Posted by MSM Hobbes

Oh good grief… and if MR would have had a screen shot image from XYZ, there'd be people beotching about them too.

IT IS JUST A PHOTO OF TIM COOK.

Now, with that said, who is that sitting to Tim's left (our right)?

I couldn't agree more; forget the network.

[jamezr]

Originally Posted by Breaking Good

I guess I'm the only person who sees a problem with having the CEO of a major corporation featured so prominently at the State of the Union address.

Lets's turn this around a bit. What if George Bush had featured the CEO of Exxon/Mobile the same way at one of his State of the Union addresses. Would anyone have had a problem with that?

I'm willing to bet that Exxon/Mobile employs more Americans than Apple.

Wow...that was a great point....what if Bush had Bill Gates as his guest? Can you imagine the uproar?
I wonder how much Apple contributed to their campaign?

[KPOM]

Originally Posted by hobo.hopkins

Exactly, because they have a competitive corporate tax rate.



I'm glad that the President mentioned this move by Apple; an initiative by the most valuable publicly-traded company in the world to move manufacturing into the United States is noteworthy. Apple can't realistically move every job that is currently overseas into the United States overnight. Shouldn't you be applauding their effort rather than demeaning their initiative?

The question is whether this is substantive or just window dressing?

What will be interesting is where Apple decides to locate its plant.

[theBB]

Originally Posted by hobo.hopkins

Exactly, because they have a competitive corporate tax rate.

12.5%, and big companies still move their profits fictitiously to some banana republic to avoid paying any of that. Reducing corporate taxes in the hope of bringing jobs from big companies is hopeless. Corporate income tax is paid by small companies, who earn too little to afford the overhead of accounting tricks of moving profits elsewhere. It is still a good idea to reduce them a bit, so the entrepreneurs who start and own small companies have more financial incentives, but don't expect that to make much of a difference for the big ones.

[Breaking Good]

Originally Posted by KPOM

The question is whether this is substantive or just window dressing?

What will be interesting is where Apple decides to locate its plant.

What will be interesting is to see what happens when the plant starts dumping toxic wastes.

[KPOM]

Originally Posted by imageWIS

Sounds good to me. They are factually the worst of the 3 major news networks.

So which network (CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC) isn't a "major" new network?

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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

Really, Macrumors?

FOX News? Thanks for letting us know your slant.

Fox News watchers buy Apple products, too. Besides, just because MR used that image doesn't imply Arn endorses Fox News. I sometimes read news sources I disagree with in order to get a more "objective" viewpoint. I can filter out the hyperbole a bit easier on a partisan site than on an "objective" site.