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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:17 AM   #26
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Will this be the Siri of the iPhone 5S? A feature that involves software only yet inexplicably requires the newest hardware?
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:28 AM   #27
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Apple needs optical image stabilization

Don't need to waste cpu power on multiple shots if they just had optical image stabilization on their cameras. The results should be MUCH better as well.

Nikon is getting 4-stops improvement through their VR technology.

That means they can shoot in 1/15 second to get a shot that looks as sharp as 1/240.

Nokia is doing well with their new Lumia camera with stabilization.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:30 AM   #28
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I take action photos which suffer from washout from bright light (rocket). A variation of this that allowed selecting among a couple dozen candidate stills and being able to capture, say, ignition, liftoff, maximum thrust, and other brief moment events would be a value add to the buffered images.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:36 AM   #29
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i don't get this:

"less than optimal angle"
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:40 AM   #30
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Apple consistently does the 1-up patent applications as soon as a competitor offers a similar innovation.

For instance, Microsoft came out with the "smart" cover that includes a touch pad and keyboard, Apple 1-up's Microsoft by filing a patent for a swiss-army knife smart cover that does every conceivable thing you could think of, except typing.

BlackBerry offers a camera which buffers frames before and after a shot and then uses the "best" frame when picking facial expressions. Apple then decides to 1-up them by filing a patent that buffers frames and composes them into the best shot.

You see, Microsoft and BlackBerry are stupid. They had innovations that set them apart from Apple, but without any forward thinking they revealed their competitive advantage and allowed Apple to walk in and patent every conceivable alternative use of the innovation you can think of.


If you are the CEO of a company that is NOT Apple, wake up and realize Apple will patent alternatives to your features and eventually edge you out of the market. I may not like Apple's strategy to patent everything in the world, but I can't respect other companies for being obtuse and only having such as narrow field of vision as to only care about the one feature that sets them apart from Apple.

So, yes, Apple is basically piggy-backing off of an innovation BlackBerry brought the world (and I am sure a slew of other companies), but then BlackBerry et al. was stupid for not thinking of all the possible ways that buffering frames before a shot could offer them and protecting their competitive advantage.

Point goes to Apple on this one.
Right. Because the Windows desktop OS, and Blackberry 10 home screen look nothing like things Apple already had on the market..
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:43 AM   #31
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I'm crap at taking photos and I wonder how hard would it be to implement a feature similar to the burst shots that certain cameras have... like 15 pics taken in a sec or so. That would be awesome (and would please any parent trying to get a photo of their kid smiling )
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:43 AM   #32
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When I had my GS3, it did this too. Nothing new.
In other news....
The patent application was filed in October of last year but references an earlier application filed in 2009
Galaxy S3 existed in 2009?
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:51 AM   #33
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This must be a pretty specific part of the algorithm technology that Apple are trying to patent as this sort of thing has been around for a long time. Most point and shoot cameras take a bunch of shots without you knowing, and 'build' a photo from them. It's always been sold as 'image stabilisation' but in reality its just images being taken in sequence to get the best shot.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:55 AM   #34
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:57 AM   #35
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I think I'd be wary of such a feature. I take pictures all the time of my kids, friends, dog, etc. Getting everyone to look at the camera at the same time or with eyes open is a real pain. I'm not sure I want an algorithm choosing to keep the best photo at the expense of what I mentioned above. EVEN WITH the ability to accept or reject, if I'm shooting a bunch of photos all at once (say at my kids sporting events) I may not have time to review and choose the one I want to keep. I'm not sure there's a great way to get around these issues other than perhaps to have an 'on-off' toggle or to have the ability to always to photos in this mode and then be able to decide at a later time which one to keep.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 10:59 AM   #36
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Siri + Pictures

The problem sounds like it occurs when the user pushes a button to take a picture, throwing the camera off and distorting the image so why not eliminate this step and allow the user to speak to Siri by saying something along the lines of "take picture" and you will not have to touch the screen and shake the camera.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 11:02 AM   #37
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I think what you're all missing is that Apple are patenting THEIR version and algorithm to make this work.

Irregardless of who got their first - if the Apple method of doing it is markedly better than anything else then they have the right to patent it so others can't simply copy the same methodology algorithm that might make it so much better.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 11:14 AM   #38
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It's clever, but it prevents the user from learning good technique.

Wouldn't it be better to let them make a few mistakes first? They'd soon learn learn to hold the camera steady and caress the shutter.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 11:14 AM   #39
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Isn't this already implemented with the HDR feature?
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 11:21 AM   #40
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Oh Apple... Your late to the game patents are Futile.

Instead, make that mid 2000's OS and UI modern. I laugh every time I grab an iPhone with that "innovative" grid of icons and android notification pull down.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 11:23 AM   #41
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Don't other smartphone cameras already do this?
It's a patent application from 2009. So if the patent is granted, and some smartphone camera has done exactly what the patent says three years ago, they'll need a patent license.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 11:23 AM   #42
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Apple consistently does the 1-up patent applications as soon as a competitor offers a similar innovation.

For instance, Microsoft came out with the "smart" cover that includes a touch pad and keyboard, Apple 1-up's Microsoft by filing a patent for a swiss-army knife smart cover that does every conceivable thing you could think of, except typing.
Are you serious? That patent DOES cover the keyboard and was filed nearly a YEAR BEFORE Microsoft even announced the surface.

Read about it here: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/02/...s-solar-cells/

Furthermore, there is evidence to suggest that Microsoft is actually licensing these patents from Apple. They didn't innovate—they licensed the patents. Got it? Because that's a HUGE difference.

You can read about that here: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/13/...-bans-cloning/

To everyone:

It seems that many of you don't understand that while we're only just now hearing about these patents, they're often filed much further in the past. Use your heads! The proper way to conduct business in this country is R&D, patent to protect said R&D and future product production (which have costs!), then either produce a product or license the patents. Like it or not, that's generally how it works. And until that isn't how it works, that's how Apple will conduct business. And you'd be crazy to argue that they should do otherwise—they're one of the most successful companies in the world! If they don't do it a competitor will. But yes random posters on the internet, you've got it all figured out. If only Apple did what YOU said then they would somehow be five times more successful. RIGHT.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 11:55 AM   #43
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Apple consistently does the 1-up patent applications as soon as a competitor offers a similar innovation.

For instance, Microsoft came out with the "smart" cover that includes a touch pad and keyboard, Apple 1-up's Microsoft by filing a patent for a swiss-army knife smart cover that does every conceivable thing you could think of, except typing.

BlackBerry offers a camera which buffers frames before and after a shot and then uses the "best" frame when picking facial expressions. Apple then decides to 1-up them by filing a patent that buffers frames and composes them into the best shot.

You see, Microsoft and BlackBerry are stupid. They had innovations that set them apart from Apple, but without any forward thinking they revealed their competitive advantage and allowed Apple to walk in and patent every conceivable alternative use of the innovation you can think of.


If you are the CEO of a company that is NOT Apple, wake up and realize Apple will patent alternatives to your features and eventually edge you out of the market. I may not like Apple's strategy to patent everything in the world, but I can't respect other companies for being obtuse and only having such as narrow field of vision as to only care about the one feature that sets them apart from Apple.

So, yes, Apple is basically piggy-backing off of an innovation BlackBerry brought the world (and I am sure a slew of other companies), but then BlackBerry et al. was stupid for not thinking of all the possible ways that buffering frames before a shot could offer them and protecting their competitive advantage.

Point goes to Apple on this one.
I think the patent for a smart cover predates the Microsoft smart cover by a few years. Microsoft probably licensed the patent from Apple before releasing their cover. However this imaging patent is very close to features already common place when this patent was lodged. If the patent office grant this they are completely useless.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 12:01 PM   #44
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I think what you're all missing is that Apple are patenting THEIR version and algorithm to make this work.

Irregardless of who got their first - if the Apple method of doing it is markedly better than anything else then they have the right to patent it so others can't simply copy the same methodology algorithm that might make it so much better.
These days it seems everyone thinks they're patent experts and within a few minutes of reading a summary here can say with certainty whether the patent should be granted or not. Amazing.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 12:16 PM   #45
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Isn't this already implemented with the HDR feature?
That's what I thought.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 12:34 PM   #46
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I wonder why no one implements this technique:

http://www.google.ca/patents/US20070098383

It is pretty feasible with current technology and, if robust deblur examples on the net are any indication, pretty effective at removing blur.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 12:42 PM   #47
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Then they will add special "blur" and "underexpose" effects.... (Patented, of course.)
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 12:48 PM   #48
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Can they just invent the "iTripod"?
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 12:53 PM   #49
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The problem sounds like it occurs when the user pushes a button to take a picture, throwing the camera off and distorting the image so why not eliminate this step and allow the user to speak to Siri by saying something along the lines of "take picture" and you will not have to touch the screen and shake the camera.
Already works in many android devices.
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 01:01 PM   #50
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Looking at the patent application drawing makes me wish someone would patent a technology that makes people stop taking all their photos and videos in portrait mode. Seeing video's shot in portrait vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.
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