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Old Feb 17, 2013, 07:02 PM   #26
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POTUS is so convincing he says one thing, then a sentence or two later he contradicts the prior "promise" and gets a standing ovation.

Bizarre, simply Bizarre.
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Old Feb 17, 2013, 07:13 PM   #27
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POTUS is so convincing he says one thing, then a sentence or two later he contradicts the prior "promise" and gets a standing ovation.

Bizarre, simply Bizarre.
Do you have an example of what you mean?

If you need reference, here's the transcript from the SOTU speech ...

http://www.c-span.org/uploadedFiles/...Union-2013.pdf
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Old Feb 17, 2013, 09:47 PM   #28
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Reminds me of the Statefarm commercial


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmx4twCK3_I&sns=em
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Old Feb 17, 2013, 09:55 PM   #29
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Sorry bub but that was global warming.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-warming.html
Good grief, that was a dumb question. CNN is really scraping bottom.

At least Bill Nye tried to keep his end of the conversation classy and informative.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 03:06 AM   #30
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Hey, you can't blame us for this one. He's referring to KMFDM, a band that I'm at least fairly sure you've heard of if you were 13 years old at some point during the early-mid '90's.
LOL..

Yea they were pretty cool

Techno punk before there was such a thing it was very German and very hard to listen to. I preferred Green Jell˙ for my dalliances into the unlistenable.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 03:10 AM   #31
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It is no secret that the vast majority of people on this planet are stupid. I'm probably one of them.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 03:56 AM   #32
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People are very easily fooled, just look how the world believed the bankers pre 2008.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 06:08 AM   #33
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The unfortunate reality that many believe what they want to believe as they value their own experience higher than their desire for objective reality.

I don't even really hold it against people when they do this personally, it makes me far less likely to befriend them. The only issue I take is when they seek to popularise their delusion by recruiting.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 06:51 AM   #34
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At some level or another we have no choice but to trust. Sure we can verify too, but that's only practical to a certain degree: Verifying takes time and people have other things to do.

Maybe it's just more convenient to go with the crowd? The safety-in-numbers argument. If the crowd is right then, great! If the crowd is wrong then you have lots of company to figure out a way forward. Nothing's worse than being wrong all on your own.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 08:24 AM   #35
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People want to agree or be agreed with. It's why Fox News is so popular. People don't watch it to see what is going on in America, people watch it because they want to see how Obama messed up this time. People want that "I told you so" feeling. Case and point:

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Old Feb 18, 2013, 08:46 AM   #36
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People are very easily fooled, just look how the world believed the bankers pre 2008.
Nobody "believed" bankers in 2008. We kinda sorta believed politicians pre-2008 (in this case the myth that Bill Clinton started and that GWB didn't squash that everyone should own their home) and bought into their lines and leveraged our future to do so.

People are a bit more cynical now, but even that is starting to fade. In the end, we're just lazy and its easier to buy into a soundbite than it is to learn about an issue and form your own opinion.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 09:37 AM   #37
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It is no secret that the vast majority of people on this planet are stupid. I'm probably one of them.
"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true." - Robert Wilensky
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 10:30 AM   #38
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Nobody "believed" bankers in 2008. We kinda sorta believed politicians pre-2008 (in this case the myth that Bill Clinton started and that GWB didn't squash that everyone should own their home) and bought into their lines and leveraged our future to do so.

People are a bit more cynical now, but even that is starting to fade. In the end, we're just lazy and its easier to buy into a soundbite than it is to learn about an issue and form your own opinion.
That might have been true for the USA, but here in Europe the bankers nearly convinced us all, that you didn't need a manufacturing economy, the banks could just produce money out of nothing.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 10:58 AM   #39
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People aren't taught to question and verify. They're taught to accept the word of authority figures. Logic and epistemology should be required courses every year of school.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 12:50 PM   #40
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People aren't taught to question and verify. They're taught to accept the word of authority figures. Logic and epistemology should be required courses every year of school.
Logic? Sounds like socialism to me.



I hope you all are smart enough to realize that was sarcasm.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 06:12 AM   #41
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Used to be the crazy guy in the crowd was standing alone on a downtown corner with a paper sign, being ignored by everyone. Now on public access or the internet the same guy is a star and has a following.
A key difference is that when 99.9% of folks ignore paper-sign-guy, their indifference is exhibited publicly as they walk right past and ignore him. It sets a useful example to younger or more impressionable members of society that paper-sign-guy isn't worth a second look. It constitutes an important feedback loop.

Not so on the Internet. Paper-sign-guy is still there. 99.9% of people are still ignoring him, but now their indifference is invisible. All the onlookers (and paper-sign-guy, himself) see is the 0.1% of like-minded souls supporting him. And since that 0.1% is drawn from a larger population, it appears (to the naive observer, at least) that paper-sign-guy is popular.
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 08:18 AM   #42
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At some level or another we have no choice but to trust. Sure we can verify too, but that's only practical to a certain degree: Verifying takes time and people have other things to do.

Maybe it's just more convenient to go with the crowd? The safety-in-numbers argument. If the crowd is right then, great! If the crowd is wrong then you have lots of company to figure out a way forward. Nothing's worse than being wrong all on your own.
I do agree to a point with what u posted but what blew my mind about my aunts posts was that I could look up her claims so quickly. If you are on Facebook, you can google. And my search took seconds. Does she just not care what's true or not? I've posted about snopes.com and google on her wacky stuff before so she does know how to check.
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Does she just not care what's true or not?
I suspect it doesn't even occur to her to question it's validity in the first place. She does care, but defaults to believing.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 05:39 AM   #44
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If you are on Facebook, you can google.
True, but if it came from someone she trusted, then perhaps she didn't feel any need to verify? Plus, if it's on Facebook, then surely someone else would've said something before now? (The old "diffusion of responsibility" effect)

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I've posted about snopes.com and google on her wacky stuff before...
I do that too (educate them). I think it's the best course if it's someone you care about - but I'm never quite sure how it's taken. People can be sensitive about being corrected.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 07:48 AM   #45
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True, but if it came from someone she trusted, then perhaps she didn't feel any need to verify? Plus, if it's on Facebook, then surely someone else would've said something before now? (The old "diffusion of responsibility" effect)



I do that too (educate them). I think it's the best course if it's someone you care about - but I'm never quite sure how it's taken. People can be sensitive about being corrected.
Tell me about it. Oh here comes Steve always has to point out when someone makes a mistake. No, I don't. I don't always point out when you make a mistake: words spelled wrong, grammar mistakes, etc. but an entire post telling you to dial the wrong the number? I think: you are trying to be helpful but are actually spreading misinformation. I am trying to be helpful too but am actually correct. But I'm the dick cause u posted first.

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Old Feb 20, 2013, 09:12 AM   #46
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This whole "faith" thing always bothered me.
Faith is a legitimate human devotion. What is most important, what elevates or turns it in to a negative, is what is made of it, how it is used to contemplate your place in the universe and interact with your fellow humans.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 01:24 PM   #47
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Good grief, that was a dumb question. CNN is really scraping bottom.

At least Bill Nye tried to keep his end of the conversation classy and informative.
That was just awful and a clear sign that the anchor didn't understand the subject. However, one should keep in mind that off-camera was a producer shaking his head and an army of reporters and researchers going "Oh, for ****'s sake."

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People aren't taught to question and verify. They're taught to accept the word of authority figures. Logic and epistemology should be required courses every year of school.
I agree. In the intro journalism courses, we have the line, "If your mother says she loves you, check it out." In other words, no assumptions or conclusions, find the facts and drill down until you understand it. Of course, that's a professional coda that doesn't necessarily stick, but more college course should be based on this kind of interrogation.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 02:29 PM   #48
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So, my question is... WTF?!??! Do people just need to believe in whatever sounds good? Do we just spread lies, thinking they are the truth, to feel better about ourselves? We have people sitting at machines that can tell them the truth about things in SECONDS and they still don't check the truth of what they are spreading.....I don't get it...
There's nothing "to get" - Welcome to the Internet...

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Old Feb 20, 2013, 07:33 PM   #49
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Yes. They do.

Somewhere, someone mentioned some study/analysis to the effect that we seem to glom onto a belief or ideology and defend it even when it is clearly flawed or incorrect. There has been plenty of evidence of that right here on prsi. Changing a person's religious faith (or apathy) can be an extremely difficult, protracted process (though often horniness can grease the wheels). But once you convince someone of a thing, boy do they get a death-grip on it.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 08:44 PM   #50
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Yes people will believe in just anything without researching it, without questioning it, etc.

Just scroll through my facebook page and you see all kinds of BS that people post that you can dismiss as false with a quick google.
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