iPhone 5 and 4S Top Samsung Galaxy S III in Worldwide Smartphone Shipments in 4Q 2012 - Page 2

unlinked · Feb 20, 2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KdParker

Those are some crazy 3rd quarter numbers for the iPhone 5 since that is only based on 9 days.

Preorders will do that.

Kinda unexpected they sold more 4S than 5 in the 6 months.

Bezetos · Feb 20, 2013, 08:57 AM

Wow, iPhone 5 sells more units after it is launched, how surprising

iPhone 5 was launched at the end of Q3, so I would be surprised if iPhone 5 sold less than the Samsung Galaxy S III.

HarryKeogh · Feb 20, 2013, 09:01 AM

It's funny how smartphones of all things are the items we buy and wish to see the competitors fail and think their users are fools.

We don't do this with our cereal, car, jeans...but arrrgghhh, Samsung (or Apple) must die!!!

Such silly competitiveness.

Shaun, UK · Feb 20, 2013, 09:01 AM

I'm not defending Samsung but I don't think this comparison is entirely fair. Apple only has two models whilst Samsung has lots of different models so comparing Apple's entire smartphone portfolio against just one Galaxy model is rather pointless. Why not add in all the Samsung smartphones and see how the two brands stack up then. Samsung are not trying to build a one product business like Apple, they are trying to build a many product business so theoretically there is a product for everyone. It's an entirely different philosophy. I certainly would not make any investment decisions based on this report.

batmccoy · Feb 20, 2013, 09:01 AM

"The leapfrog game between Apple and Samsung is likely to continue when Samsung launches its new flagship handset, the Galaxy S4, which is expected on March 14."

Right. Because the crazy consumers leading this game are the people that buy a new phone every year so they can have the latest and greatest—or show it off. Like a new shirt.

MonkeySee.... · Feb 20, 2013, 09:02 AM

4S outsold the SIII in Q4!? Wowzer.

Apple do not need to release a "low cost" phone. Their current business model is perfect.

Mascots · Feb 20, 2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by street.cory

The stock market analysts do. And the stock market analysts make nearly unattainable expectations for Apple. They had one of their best years and their stock price plummeted; not because of performance but because they "didn't meet analyst expecations". I don't expect Apple to fade away like BlackBerry or even hold a spot like Microsoft in the mobile phone market. I just believe the onslaught of Android devices of all form and fashion over the past 4 years has finally started to take its toll on Apple's shipments.

That was my joke. I don't think that Android is eating too far into iOS shares. As far as the 3.5-4" high end phone market, Apple has that securely locked down.

But on a side note: to those who didn't read the article AND skipped over the graph:

The 4s individually outsold the S3 in Q4
The iPhone 5 individually outsold the S3 in Q4

Small White Car · Feb 20, 2013, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Winni

Now let's compare the combined iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S sales with the combined Galaxy S3 and Galaxy S2 sales, shall we?

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Originally Posted by Krazy Bill

Holy crap... while I can understand people rooting for Apple (myself included) the distortion and propaganda around here is mind-boggling at times.

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Originally Posted by MuddyPaws1

Not exactly apples to apples is it?

What?

If I ask "What are the top 3 grossing movies this weekend?" that's an interesting question.

You then want to know "But which studio made more money if you add up all of their films?" Ok, that's another interesting question, but it does not make my question bad, or wrong, or propaganda. It's just a different fact. You asking a new question does not negate mine or make it irrelevant.

Oletros · Feb 20, 2013, 09:04 AM

Is there any hint in the report of how they count the sales of different iPhone models?

BaldiMac · Feb 20, 2013, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by somethingelsefl

I agree. Can anyone give a good reason why Samsung's older model was not including when Apple's older model was included? After all, just like the iPhone 4S...the S2 is still on sale in many markets (even with a similar pricing model).

Yes. Pretty simple. They only included the top 3 models in this table.

extricated · Feb 20, 2013, 09:05 AM

This seems more even-handed than past comparisons where Apple's iPhone was compared to ALL Android devices.

"Apple iPhone 5" vs. "Samsung Galaxy S3" makes a lot more sense than "Apple" vs. "Android".

KdParker · Feb 20, 2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Winni

Now let's compare the combined iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S sales with the combined Galaxy S3 and Galaxy S2 sales, shall we? And if that doesn't help, let's also add the iPhone 4 and the Galaxy S to the mix.

Are those ridiculous statistics really necessary? By now everybody already knows that Samsung sells more UNITS than Apple while Apple still has a larger profit margin because they only sell devices in the high-end price segment.

And unless Apple all of a sudden also enters the low-end price segment (i.e. smartphones WITHOUT contract for LESS than 99 USD), those figures won't magically change.

Wasn't this based on shipments?

TimUSCA · Feb 20, 2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bezetos

Wow, iPhone 5 sells more units after it is launched, how surprising

iPhone 5 was launched at the end of Q3, so I would be surprised if iPhone 5 sold less than the Samsung Galaxy S III.

Did you read the article? The 4S outsold it as well. Both outsold the S3 individually, not combined.

mikeorchard · Feb 20, 2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by extricated

This seems more even-handed than past comparisons where Apple's iPhone was compared to ALL Android devices.

"Apple iPhone 5" vs. "Samsung Galaxy S3" makes a lot more sense than "Apple" vs. "Android".

Not really. Android vs iOS is a pretty fair comparison.

If only there was a way to vote down the people not bothering to actually read the article though. The fact that the 4S alone sold more than the GS3 is testament to Apple's staying power. Samsung on the other hand seem only capable of making little blips that quickly dissipate.

Anonymouslives · Feb 20, 2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac2133

If you're going to include 4S and 5, then you should also include S2 and Blaze. This is an unfair comparison - to take just the S3 but to include both 4S and 5.

This is exactly right, the SII should be included with the SIII numbers, if the 4s and 5 numbers are being used. The SII was still on sale, I believe, the entire time the sIII was available, and at a lower price, obviously. Some of that 70+ % is the SII, probably 10+%!

Not an android fanboy either, I have an iPhone 5.

Mascots · Feb 20, 2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Anonymouslives

This is exactly right, the SII should be included with the SIII numbers, if the 4s and 5 numbers are being used. The SII was still on sale, I believe, the entire time the sIII was available, and at a lower price, obviously. Some of that 70+ % is the SII, probably 10+%!

Not an android fanboy either, I have an iPhone 5.

You didn't read the article. Both the 4s and 5 independently outsold the S3.

Bezetos · Feb 20, 2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TimUSCA

Did you read the article? The 4S outsold it as well. Both outsold the S3 individually, not combined.

I know, but both stats are from after the launch of the iPhone 5, which also brought a hefty price drop for iPhone 4S. So they're both not surprising.

Small White Car · Feb 20, 2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Anonymouslives

This is exactly right, the SII should be included with the SIII numbers, if the 4s and 5 numbers are being used. The SII was still on sale, I believe, the entire time the sIII was available, and at a lower price, obviously. Some of that 70+ % is the SII, probably 10+%!

Not an android fanboy either, I have an iPhone 5.

But then they should put the iPhone 4 in. And then I'm sure there's some other Samsung phone they should put in, and then...

And before you know it, you've changed the article from "The top 3 phones" to "Apple vs. Samsung."

Again, that's interesting too, but why are people so adamant that we can't have this specific article...? They simply have to morph it into something else to be happy.

MonkeySee.... · Feb 20, 2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac2133

If you're going to include 4S and 5, then you should also include S2 and Blaze. This is an unfair comparison - to take just the S3 but to include both 4S and 5.

But both of those will be below the SIII so whats the point?

Do people not understand this chart??

street.cory · Feb 20, 2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mascots

That was my joke. I don't think that Android is eating too far into iOS shares. As far as the 3.5-4" high end phone market, Apple has that securely locked down.

But on a side note: to those who didn't read the article AND skipped over the graph:

The 4s individually outsold the S3 in Q4
The iPhone 5 individually outsold the S3 in Q4

I see what you're saying now.

And as a side note to your side note
Strategy Analytics' numbers are of course an estimate, given that Apple does not break down iPhone sales by model and Samsung does not even release handset shipment data.

Bahroo · Feb 20, 2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Winni

Now let's compare the combined iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S sales with the combined Galaxy S3 and Galaxy S2 sales, shall we? And if that doesn't help, let's also add the iPhone 4 and the Galaxy S to the mix.

Are those ridiculous statistics really necessary? By now everybody already knows that Samsung sells more UNITS than Apple while Apple still has a larger profit margin because they only sell devices in the high-end price segment.

And unless Apple all of a sudden also enters the low-end price segment (i.e. smartphones WITHOUT contract for LESS than 99 USD), those figures won't magically change.

Ok hmmm lets combine the total iPhone 4, 4S ans 5 sales to the whole entire Galaxy line total sales..the 4/4S/5 outsold the whole entire Galaxy line by like 60 million

BaldiMac · Feb 20, 2013, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeorchard

Not really. Android vs iOS is a pretty fair comparison.

It may be a fair comparison, but the usefulness of the comparison depends on how you define "Android".

I'm not sure why a phone running an OS derived from the Android codebase but doesn't used Google services or meet Android compatibility requirements should be counted with actual Android phones. Likewise, cheap phones sold with Android 2.x aren't exactly a huge benefit to moving the platform forward.

DeathChill · Feb 20, 2013, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkeySee....

But both of those will be below the SIII so whats the point?

Do people not understand this chart??

I am getting the feeling people don't understand this chart. It's the top three phones and both the iPhone 4S and 5 outsold the S3 individually. I don't get how people aren't even reading it all and then posting.

spazzcat · Feb 20, 2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac2133

If you're going to include 4S and 5, then you should also include S2 and Blaze. This is an unfair comparison - to take just the S3.

As others have pointed out, you need to read more then the title...

hpod · Feb 20, 2013, 09:21 AM

It's pretty obvious people cannot read.

Many above have already attempted to point it out that they're NOT combining the sales of the 4S and the 5, they're comparing them individually.

Stop. Go back. Re read story.

The S3 wasn't outsold by the combined sales of the 4S and 5...it was outsold by both of them, individually.

The 4S outsold the S3. Do you understand that yet?
The 5 ALSO outsold the S3. Are we understanding yet?

Learn to read, morons.

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Feb 20, 2013, 08:57 AM	#27
Bezetos macrumors 6502a Join Date: May 2012 Location: far away from an Apple store	Wow, iPhone 5 sells more units after it is launched, how surprising iPhone 5 was launched at the end of Q3, so I would be surprised if iPhone 5 sold less than the Samsung Galaxy S III.
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Feb 20, 2013, 09:01 AM	#28
HarryKeogh macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jun 2008	It's funny how smartphones of all things are the items we buy and wish to see the competitors fail and think their users are fools. We don't do this with our cereal, car, jeans...but arrrgghhh, Samsung (or Apple) must die!!! Such silly competitiveness.
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Feb 20, 2013, 09:01 AM	#29
Shaun, UK macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2006	I'm not defending Samsung but I don't think this comparison is entirely fair. Apple only has two models whilst Samsung has lots of different models so comparing Apple's entire smartphone portfolio against just one Galaxy model is rather pointless. Why not add in all the Samsung smartphones and see how the two brands stack up then. Samsung are not trying to build a one product business like Apple, they are trying to build a many product business so theoretically there is a product for everyone. It's an entirely different philosophy. I certainly would not make any investment decisions based on this report.
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Feb 20, 2013, 09:01 AM	#30
batmccoy macrumors member Join Date: Aug 2005	"The leapfrog game between Apple and Samsung is likely to continue when Samsung launches its new flagship handset, the Galaxy S4, which is expected on March 14." Right. Because the crazy consumers leading this game are the people that buy a new phone every year so they can have the latest and greatest—or show it off. Like a new shirt.
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Feb 20, 2013, 09:05 AM	#36
extricated macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2011	This seems more even-handed than past comparisons where Apple's iPhone was compared to ALL Android devices. "Apple iPhone 5" vs. "Samsung Galaxy S3" makes a lot more sense than "Apple" vs. "Android".
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Feb 20, 2013, 09:21 AM	#50
hpod macrumors newbie Join Date: Oct 2012	It's pretty obvious people cannot read. Many above have already attempted to point it out that they're NOT combining the sales of the 4S and the 5, they're comparing them individually. Stop. Go back. Re read story. The S3 wasn't outsold by the combined sales of the 4S and 5...it was outsold by both of them, individually. The 4S outsold the S3. Do you understand that yet? The 5 ALSO outsold the S3. Are we understanding yet? Learn to read, morons.
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