Death @ Heart Attack Grill

[samiwas]

Originally Posted by Renzatic

Considering your situation, you might not have any other choice but to get a car in the meantime. It doesn't have to be a nice one. A thousand dollar beater would be fine if all you plan on doing is driving it to the store once a week. You'd lose a tiny bit of money, maybe some pride, but it's better than walking to and fro with 30+ pounds of groceries every week, or risking life and limb biking on the curb in Atlanta traffic.

Whenever the store gets built or you move to a better location, you can always sell it off for scrap. It's obviously not what you want to do, but it's about your only bet right now.

Oh, I have a car. I'm not arguing based on my own issues, other than hating when my wife needs eggs or something to finish baking cookies, and it's not just a quick trip down the street. And was more referring to the plenty of low-income people around this area who do not have that luxury, since the ghetto store closed years ago (and I'm not sure what they had...I wouldn't set foot in that place).

I was merely responding to the guy claiming:
"If there are 'food deserts' in America, it's because the majority of people living there don't want it any other way. They don't value the 'good healthy foods' you want them to value... If you want the grocery store to start selling more fresh fruits and vegetables, stop buying so many ****ing potato chips and candy bars. It's not complicated, and it's no one else's fault than the citizens of that area."

A false statement.

Originally Posted by Gutwrench

We have [food] deserts here, but we just don't live in them. Shall we have the late Sam Kinnison send you a U-Haul and take you to where the stores are?

It's saaaaaaaand!!

[WestonHarvey1]

Originally Posted by sim667

And you'll have so much more dignity walking past a person starving in the street, turning your line of sight across the road so you dont have to take notice of the weak and needy as you go on your day to day travel consuming, wasting and falling prey to an advertising system that sells you the idea of improving your life buy making use of your purchasing power.

Nice.

You apparently haven't had any dealings with real homeless people. Try working in downtown Chicago. Everyone has to make the mistake of trying to give a homeless person actual food once. Hilarity and disillusionment always ensues.

[sim667]

Originally Posted by WestonHarvey1

You apparently haven't had any dealings with real homeless people. Try working in downtown Chicago. Everyone has to make the mistake of trying to give a homeless person actual food once. Hilarity and disillusionment always ensues.

Because the whole of one section of society can be stereotyped by an experience you had with one once..... that kinda thing yeah?

[WestonHarvey1]

Originally Posted by sim667

Because the whole of one section of society can be stereotyped by an experience you had with one once..... that kinda thing yeah?

No, experience with hundreds. I'm talking about the career homeless people here. Yes, there's the occasional person or family who has run into hard times and needs some help getting back on their feet. That's not representative of the people you typically run into on the street.

[GermanyChris]

Originally Posted by WestonHarvey1

No, experience with hundreds. I'm talking about the career homeless people here. Yes, there's the occasional person or family who has run into hard times and needs some help getting back on their feet. That's not representative of the people you typically run into on the street.

So your talking about vets with mental health issues and a drinking problem, then generally stems from said mental health issues...

and hundreds is not a large sample size either.

[WestonHarvey1]

Originally Posted by GermanyChris

So your talking about vets with mental health issues and a drinking problem, then generally stems from said mental health issues...

and hundreds is not a large sample size either.

Yes, I assume most homeless people have mental health issues and/or substance abuse problems.

Hundreds is a pretty large sample size for a single person to encounter.

[GermanyChris]

Originally Posted by WestonHarvey1

Yes, I assume most homeless people have mental health issues and/or substance abuse problems.

Hundreds is a pretty large sample size for a single person to encounter.

But it's still not a large sample size.

Then you blame them for not wanting food but something to feed their addiction. You acknowledge it, but don't "get" it.

Instead of worrying whether these people get you precious clothes dirty or maybe yell at you as the powerless are wont to do how about trying to make a change. Federal funding for mental health, shelter open to everyone substance abuse or not. Help put pressure on the VA to take care of them.

But in the end it's easier to feel superior and show disdain for the "career" homeless.

[citizenzen]

They don't want food, clothes or blankets.

They just want the money.

The homeless are like the Red Cross.

[eric/]

Originally Posted by GermanyChris

But it's still not a large sample size.

Then you blame them for not wanting food but something to feed their addiction. You acknowledge it, but don't "get" it.

Instead of worrying whether these people get you precious clothes dirty or maybe yell at you as the powerless are wont to do how about trying to make a change. Federal funding for mental health, shelter open to everyone substance abuse or not. Help put pressure on the VA to take care of them.

But in the end it's easier to feel superior and show disdain for the "career" homeless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeles..._United_States

Interesting stats I think.

Also, just to be clear, how are you deciding if the sample size is large enough?

Because it depends on how you measure it as well. Are we going off homeless people reported throughout the year? Week?

For example.

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Originally Posted by WestonHarvey1

Yes, I assume most homeless people have mental health issues and/or substance abuse problems.

As an aside, I'm not sure I follow you. Do you believe that people who have mental health issues wish to be that way?


Back On Topic:

There is an article in the NYT magazine online about the science of junk food. Sure, we all "choose" to eat junk food. But, where do you draw the line between "giving people what they want" (that is, what they keep on coming back for more of), and, deliberately "addicting" people:

On the evening of April 8, 1999, a long line of Town Cars and taxis pulled up to the Minneapolis headquarters of Pillsbury and discharged 11 men who controlled America’s largest food companies. Nestlé was in attendance, as were Kraft and Nabisco, General Mills and Procter & Gamble, Coca-Cola and Mars. Rivals any other day, the C.E.O.’s and company presidents had come together for a rare, private meeting. On the agenda was one item: the emerging obesity epidemic and how to deal with it. While the atmosphere was cordial, the men assembled were hardly friends. Their stature was defined by their skill in fighting one another for what they called “stomach share” — the amount of digestive space that any one company’s brand can grab from the competition.

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The discussion took place in Pillsbury’s auditorium. The first speaker was a vice president of Kraft named Michael Mudd. “I very much appreciate this opportunity to talk to you about childhood obesity and the growing challenge it presents for us all,” Mudd began. “Let me say right at the start, this is not an easy subject. There are no easy answers — for what the public health community must do to bring this problem under control or for what the industry should do as others seek to hold it accountable for what has happened. But this much is clear: For those of us who’ve looked hard at this issue, whether they’re public health professionals or staff specialists in your own companies, we feel sure that the one thing we shouldn’t do is nothing.”

As he spoke, Mudd clicked through a deck of slides — 114 in all — projected on a large screen behind him. The figures were staggering. More than half of American adults were now considered overweight, with nearly one-quarter of the adult population — 40 million people — clinically defined as obese. Among children, the rates had more than doubled since 1980, and the number of kids considered obese had shot past 12 million. (This was still only 1999; the nation’s obesity rates would climb much higher.) Food manufacturers were now being blamed for the problem from all sides — academia, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Heart Association and the American Cancer Society. The secretary of agriculture, over whom the industry had long held sway, had recently called obesity a “national epidemic.”

Read on to discover how food science has discovered how to determine your bliss point:


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/ma...me&ref=general

[WestonHarvey1]

Originally Posted by jnpy!$4g3cwk

As an aside, I'm not sure I follow you. Do you believe that people who have mental health issues wish to be that way?

No.

[sim667]

Originally Posted by WestonHarvey1

No, experience with hundreds. I'm talking about the career homeless people here. Yes, there's the occasional person or family who has run into hard times and needs some help getting back on their feet. That's not representative of the people you typically run into on the street.

"Career Homeless" - I've never heard such bullsh** in all my life!

[PracticalMac]

Originally Posted by eric/

So I think this begs the question, should we let establishments which knowingly, albeit explicitly, serve unhealthy food exist?

Why or why not?

Tobacco?
Binge drinking?
Free climbing? (no ropes, just hands and feet clinging to walls like Spiderman)
Kayaking whitewater?

Most insurance companies include FLYING as a dangerous sport! (as pilot, not passenger).

Your point?