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Old Feb 20, 2013, 10:56 AM   #126
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No, "shipments" in and of themselves are never impressive. Apple doesn't release "shipment" numbers, they release actual sales numbers. And most of these "estimates" on what Samsung ships are just that, estimates, since Samsung doesn't actually release shipment OR sales numbers.
Apple release shipped units, not sold units.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 10:58 AM   #127
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Wrong. The iPhone 5 outsold the S3 by a large margin all by itself. The iPhone 4S also outsold the S3 by a large margin all by itself. This must really be hurting the Android fanboys egos to be so blatantly lying about what the chart is saying. The fanboyism seems to be blinding them to something staring them directly in the face.
Didn't read any follow on posts did ya?
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:03 AM   #128
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This is where I assert that sales numbers are relevant.

Warning: once Samsung overtakes Apple again in market share, I will withdraw this statement.
Are you talking about one phone or all of samsungs phones?
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:10 AM   #129
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So basically, you have no argument and this is how you admit it?

You're basically saying it's unfair to compare it to the 5 (which is far more expensive than an S3), but it's also unfair to compare it to the 4S because of it's lower price?

So, in other words, you have nothing to add here.

By your rational:
* Can't compare it to the 5, which is more expensive than an S3, because the 5 is newer.
* Can't compare it to the 4S, which is less expensive than an S3, because the 4S is older.

So that means you won't be comparing the 5 agains the S4 when it comes out next month? Too bad you will be.

OOOOhhhhh BURN! I literally LMAO at this takedown. The logic of the Android fanboys on here is hilarious and you pretty much destroyed them with this post.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:12 AM   #130
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Because they're comparing the top selling phone models in the previous 2 quarters. I know it's really super hard to understand that...maybe your parents should be supervising your computer time, since you have to be what...5 years old to not understand a rather simple chart?

And for the record, the S3 Mini is NOT the same model as an S3. Just like the *free on contract iPhone 4* is NOT the same as a 4S. :P
27 actually so probably older than you, you little keyboard warrior you, so get back in your box. And if I were 5 then I would be much smarter than you. And I'm not interested in how old you actually are as this is the Internet and you can put anything.

Its people like you giving this board a negative tone with your condescending remarks.

Actually the table shows Q4. The article text makes the comparison. Also, the table only shows the top 3. It could'be been made to show the to 4. Or 10. It could've also been made to show the position of the Note 2 as its one of Samsung's other biggest current devices, even as a note at the bottom. It also could've shown the iPhone 4 as I imagine that is also bundled into 'other'. Why can't you understand I just would've liked more information than is given to get a more complete picture of what is happening in the market? Likewise in the next quarter it would be interesting to see the Nexus 4 figures given the launch problems and the fact they are producing and selling them again.

For those interested, from what I can gather the Note 2 is probably at about 6 - 7 million units World wide for that quarter. So not going to change the table, but interesting nonetheless for those interested.

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OOOOhhhhh BURN! I literally LMAO at this takedown. The logic of the Android fanboys on here is hilarious and you pretty much destroyed them with this post.
Unfortunately you fail. Android is an OS, not a phone manufacturer. Technically it will be Samsung fanboys, if such a thing exists.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:26 AM   #131
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the SIII is a fine phone, but the SIII mini is better.
wat.

How? At all? Worse screen, worse CPU, worse camera. It's just another cheap throwaway Android phone designed purely to sell off the fact that it's got Galaxy S3 written on it. It doesn't stand up to the iPhone 4, let alone 4S.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:33 AM   #132
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iPhone 4S, first available in Oct 2011 (Q4 2011)
Galaxy S3, first available in May 2012 (Q2 2012)

4S still beats S3 sales in the end (Q4 2012)
Being 6 months older.

'Nuff said
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:50 AM   #133
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As a Note 2 owner I find it amazing how far Samsung has come with only one model in the pool of many Android selections. This year will be tougher for Samsung because HTC, LG, Motorola and Sony will have better offerings. As a android user I want choice and don't like all my Apple's in one basket.
As an Apple user I would be worried that people are still picking a 4s over 5 based on a $100 difference. I would figure that you want your top dog being the dominant one. I can only imagine what will happen to the 5s when Apple drops $100 off the 5.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:53 AM   #134
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Other Samsung phones should have been included in this comparison.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:57 AM   #135
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This article reminds me of a soviet era propaganda, where they were trying to prove that socialism is beating the captitalism.

The author can crunch the numbers to make Apple appear in a better light any way he pleases, but the facts remain:

In Global Smartphone sales in Q$ 2012 Samsung sold 62.9M smartphones vs Apple's 47.8. It is a comparison of all smartphones that these companies produce and sell. It shouldn't matter if Samsung makes 20 vs Apple's iPhone 3G/4/4S/5. If Samsung can output a bigger variaty of phones that people want, it shouldn't be held against them in the comperison.

For the whole year, Samsung sold 205M smartphones vs Apple's 130. That is 70M more, not a number that should be discounted, but I'm sure the Apple fanbase will be able to rebuke it somehow.

As far as Android vs iOS in Q4, 152M Android smartphones were sold in Q4 vs 47M iOS, that's a 100M more!

For 2012, the numbers are even more profound; 479M vs 135.8M, a differene of 350M smartphones. iOS market share went from 26% to 19% in a year.

When I look at these numbers, I don't see Apple winning anything. All I see is an article that distorts reality to keep the blind dumb and happy.

The other point this article forgets to point out is that the S3 is about to be replaced. A point that macrumors quikly pointed out about the 4S when the S3 outsold it. At least a mention would have been nice.
Shhhhh....you are waking the sheep with reason.

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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:01 PM   #136
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and the 4s costs what on contract?

continue on please..

**edit** the 4S was released in October 2011 so 17 month old 4s
I bought my parents NEW Samsung Galaxy S3 each for $99 under contract, which costs the same as 4S

Edit: Not to mention you can still easily get them at $149 or under, and some carriers even through free S2 phones if you buy them.

Conclusion: Android phones are getting thrown out for free all the time.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:01 PM   #137
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Who shows off a new shirt? Anybody can buy a new shirt.

But it takes a certain type of person to buy a new Apple product!


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What do you mean? All these wannabe hipsters with their iToys. Those Fashion whores?

Those people who are longing for a ridiculous watch and an even more ridiculous TV set and sneer at those people who'd really like to see a nice Apple Computer again?
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:07 PM   #138
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wat.

How? At all? Worse screen, worse CPU, worse camera. It's just another cheap throwaway Android phone designed purely to sell off the fact that it's got Galaxy S3 written on it. It doesn't stand up to the iPhone 4, let alone 4S.
but it's smaller, the SIII is too big

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I bought my parents NEW Samsung Galaxy S3 each for $99 under contract, which costs the same as 4S

Edit: Not to mention you can still easily get them at $149 or under, and some carriers even through free S2 phones if you buy them.

Conclusion: Android phones are getting thrown out for free all the time.
again and 4s's are $1 under contract here..

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What do you mean? All these wannabe hipsters with their iToys. Those Fashion whores?

Those people who are longing for a ridiculous watch and an even more ridiculous TV set and sneer at those people who'd really like to see a nice Apple Computer again?
No kidding

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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:12 PM   #139
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27 actually so probably older than you, you little keyboard warrior you, so get back in your box. And if I were 5 then I would be much smarter than you. And I'm not interested in how old you actually are as this is the Internet and you can put anything.
So it's a good thing you put down a bunch of numbers, only to say it doesn't matter, because anyone could put down whatever numbers they want. Thank you for wasting everyones time with that.

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Its people like you giving this board a negative tone with your condescending remarks.
It's hard to not be condescending when people such as yourself interject opinions on charts because that chart didn't show things you wanted it to show, instead of discussing what actually WAS shown on the chart.

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Actually the table shows Q4. The article text makes the comparison. Also, the table only shows the top 3. It could'be been made to show the to 4. Or 10. It could've also been made to show the position of the Note 2 as its one of Samsung's other biggest current devices, even as a note at the bottom. It also could've shown the iPhone 4 as I imagine that is also bundled into 'other'. Why can't you understand I just would've liked more information than is given to get a more complete picture of what is happening in the market? Likewise in the next quarter it would be interesting to see the Nexus 4 figures given the launch problems and the fact they are producing and selling them again.
First, it shows Q3 and Q4, not just Q4 as you once again erroneously pointed out. Second, the chart shows the top 3...because it shows the top 3. That's what this chart was for. It doesn't show the top 4 or top 10 because that's not what that chart was designed to do. If you want to discuss a different hypothetical chart, you should go to wherever that chart happens to be posted and discuss it there. But that logic doesn't apply to THIS chart, nor THIS conversation that's about THIS chart. To come here and complain about what's not on a chart is as meaningless as getting angry that the olympics don't award medals for the top 4, but only the top 3. They don't award a medal to the 4th place...because they don't. This chart doesn't show the top 4...because it doesn't.

What baffling is why people such as yourself can't grasp that.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:19 PM   #140
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Ya, my first thoughts in reading the article was that this is not the way to compare things.

Let's just add in more hardware versions until our total sales exceed their single item sales.
Read it again Both the 5 and 4S has singularly sold more than the Galaxy S3.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:27 PM   #141
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I will repeat, is there any indication of how they have calculated the iPhone 4S and 5 sales? Or, by the way, the S3 III sales?

Because this information is only known by Apple and Samsung
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:29 PM   #142
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This is exactly right, the SII should be included with the SIII numbers, if the 4s and 5 numbers are being used. The SII was still on sale, I believe, the entire time the sIII was available, and at a lower price, obviously. Some of that 70+ % is the SII, probably 10+%!

Not an android fanboy either, I have an iPhone 5.
Uhm it really won't matter, as these are the top 3 phones anyway
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:33 PM   #143
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I agree that the 5 outselling it isn't a surprise...and I agree that comparing sales numbers of Samsung vs Apple are never really fair, as both companies are under different release schedules. Also, you responded to me calling you a moron, I retracted that statement, because it's no way to have a conversation with someone.

That said, people ARE still buying the S3...as it sold 15.4 million units last quarter. My brother bought two of them himself.
My brothers friends sisters boyfriends gardeners dog groomer bought 3 iPhone 5's....beat that!!!!
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:35 PM   #144
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Pretty irrelevant when the S3 is about to be replaced by the S4.

In fact, it shows the strength of the now old S3 compared to the iPhone. God help Apple when the S4 comes out ... it'll take them a year just to catch up ... and then Que. (creepy) Jonny Ive to tell the world how Apple have once again re-invented the phone!
Just like how Apple is playing catch up right now, with their older model phone outselling Samsungs latest?
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:37 PM   #145
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still gonna say it APPLE and APPL aint the same company


and please understand the article

the top three selling phone for the quarter where .........

even Tim said alot of ppl were into the iPhone 4 and it wasnt even mentioned.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 12:53 PM   #146
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It's nice to see an estimate on how Apple is doing with overall sales in the high end market, which includes the S3...
It also includes the Note II and S2 which are still on the shelves, and very high end.

In the end, the chart DOES actually show that the iP4s and iP5 individually beat out the S3 for those two quarters.

It still doesn't make me care either way . . . other than loving the competition.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 01:13 PM   #147
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Other Samsung phones should have been included in this comparison.
Which other Samsung phones finished in the top 3 worldwide smartphone shipments by model?

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I will repeat, is there any indication of how they have calculated the iPhone 4S and 5 sales?
http://www.strategyanalytics.com/def...e&a0=301&m=5#0

Nope. But that's doesn't make them any different than any other market share numbers that we've seen.

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Apple release shipped units, not sold units.
Sure. But Apple also releases channel inventory information, so their numbers are relatively transparent.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 01:14 PM   #148
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Other Samsung phones should have been included in this comparison.
Why??? The article is not meant to be a Apple vs Samsung bash, but a look at the top Smart phones in the market. It would be interesting to see what the top 5 phones were... who knows... number 4&5 may not have even been Samsung phones at all!

Anyway... it is impressive that Apple's two phones are still topping the charts... even the older 4s is outselling Samsung's best selling phone.

This is not to say that the competition is not heating up... HTC has a new phone that looks nice... the recent re-do of the Blackberry is nice looking.... etc... etc...

My guess is, this will go on for years as the smart phone market continues to change, mature, and grow.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 01:17 PM   #149
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Not really understanding what a high end phone is? Is it the price? The quality? The class of people that can afford it?
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 01:24 PM   #150
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Apple release shipped units, not sold units.
heh heh, are you sure? This is from Apple 10Q:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...453687d10q.htm


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Unit Sales by Product:


iPhone

47,789 37,044 29%
iPad

22,860 15,434 48%
Mac

4,061 5,198 (22)%
iPod

12,679 15,397 (18)%


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Pretty irrelevant when the S3 is about to be replaced by the S4.

In fact, it shows the strength of the now old S3 compared to the iPhone. God help Apple when the S4 comes out ... it'll take them a year just to catch up ... and then Que. (creepy) Jonny Ive to tell the world how Apple have once again re-invented the phone!
Are you sure? Iphone 5S is rumored to be out in Jun/July.. S4 will have 3 months or so competing with Iphone 5 and then it will be against 5S.
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