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Old Feb 22, 2013, 11:49 PM   #151
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The PC will simply become cloud based...not at all post anything...the chromebook (idea) is the future of desktop/laptop computing.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 07:06 PM   #152
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The PC will simply become cloud based...not at all post anything...the chromebook (idea) is the future of desktop/laptop computing.
We'll still always still a decent amount of local storage, as lots of people would not trust lots of data to the cloud. I know I wouldn't.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 07:21 PM   #153
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We'll still always still a decent amount of local storage, as lots of people would not trust lots of data to the cloud. I know I wouldn't.
Yup. I believe the cloud is going to be leveraged more heavily in the near future, but we're always going to have an HDD to fall back on.

I just don't see the cloud replacing local storage completely until both the ISPs and services can guarantee 99.9% uptime with smooth, fast, and consistent connections throughout the day from anywhere in the country/world.

...which probably won't be happening anytime soon.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 07:22 PM   #154
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Yup. I believe the cloud is going to be leveraged more heavily in the near future, but we're always going to have an HDD to fall back on.

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Yep, the cloud just isn't secure enough.

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I just don't see the cloud replacing local storage completely until both the ISPs and services can guarantee 99.9% uptime with smooth, fast, and consistent connections throughout the day from anywhere in the country/world.
Which won't happen.

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which probably won't be happening anytime soon.
just wait for data plants, 29.99GB a month for your home connection!
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 07:32 PM   #155
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just wait for data plants, 29.99GB a month for your home connection!
Yeah, I can't wait. Woo.

Freaking stupid...internet people. God, I hate them so much.

Yeah, I'm bitter right now.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 07:45 PM   #156
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Yeah, I can't wait. Woo.

Freaking stupid...internet people. God, I hate them so much.

Yeah, I'm bitter right now.
The internet is going to expensive ****.

i almost want my 128K ISDN Line, Pentium 3 1ghz, Red faction and quake 3 back, with a mostly text based internet! At least it was free to do as you wanted!
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 09:39 PM   #157
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Comparing Samsung "smartphones" with iPhones is comparing Apples and oranges.

Sammy's average sales price was $220 or so over the last year. That alone should tell you that most of what they make does not compete with Apple, rather it's in the low end of the market.

The SGS3 got absolutely thrashed by the iPhone 5. In Q4 the iPhone 5 sold the most, the 4S the second most, and the SGS3 the third! Behind the one year old iPhone 4S!

http://beta.fool.com/jaans/2013/02/2...gyholnk0000001

Nothing against Samsungs vast numbers of low cost Android devices - it's fine. Just don't compare it with the iPhone.

There is a reason apps that are on both Google Play and the iOS app store consistently see a 90/10 sales split between Apple and Android. Apple has a platform that people use. Android has a ******** of devices, some of which are used as real smart phones - like the SGS3 - and others used as a big screen dumbphone with Facebook.

Nothing wrong with that either all I am saying is that comparing iPhones and "all android phones" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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The PC will simply become cloud based...not at all post anything...the chromebook (idea) is the future of desktop/laptop computing.
Really? What do I do with 32GB of storage?

I have a 10Mbit connection, that's 1MB/s. *if* there's no outage. My SSD does about 500MB/s.

The future of computing is slow, unreliable data access? I have my doubts about that.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 10:04 PM   #158
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Comparing Samsung "smartphones" with iPhones is comparing Apples and oranges.

Sammy's average sales price was $220 or so over the last year. That alone should tell you that most of what they make does not compete with Apple, rather it's in the low end of the market.

The SGS3 got absolutely thrashed by the iPhone 5. In Q4 the iPhone 5 sold the most, the 4S the second most, and the SGS3 the third! Behind the one year old iPhone 4S!

http://beta.fool.com/jaans/2013/02/2...gyholnk0000001

Nothing against Samsungs vast numbers of low cost Android devices - it's fine. Just don't compare it with the iPhone.

There is a reason apps that are on both Google Play and the iOS app store consistently see a 90/10 sales split between Apple and Android. Apple has a platform that people use. Android has a ******** of devices, some of which are used as real smart phones - like the SGS3 - and others used as a big screen dumbphone with Facebook.

Nothing wrong with that either all I am saying is that comparing iPhones and "all android phones" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Really? What do I do with 32GB of storage?

I have a 10Mbit connection, that's 1MB/s. *if* there's no outage. My SSD does about 500MB/s.

The future of computing is slow, unreliable data access? I have my doubts about that.
Millions of people chose the Galaxy SIII over the iPhone 4S. And as soon as the SIV is released, it will more than like top iPhone 5 sales for the quarter.
Then the iPhone 5S will be released and it will top Galaxy sales. They are direct competitors.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 10:15 PM   #159
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I still hate the idea of "post PC". None of these portable devices replaces a laptop or a desktop computer. Its simply Post PC because Apple said so, and people like to do what they are told.

Yeah, tell that to all the Android owners. For consumers, the tablet DOES do the things laptops were bought to do -- sometimes in a more convenient way. With a tablet (not specifically an iPad either):

• you can receive, type and send email
• play games
• type out full documents complete with graphics and formatting on a word processor
• create and deliver presentations
• create and manage spreadsheets
• surf the internet (did I miss that)
• design light stuff
• put together light videos
• manage photo albums
• retouch photos


Additionally you can:

• receive messages and email when the device is in sleep mode
• take pictures and video
• get GPS coordinates
• make phone calls
• easily check lists on-site (like, whilst standing up and roaming about in a classroom)
• read online news on your favourite chair or wank off to porn on the toilet
• sketch and create art with a stylus or pen

So tell me... what DOESN'T a tablet do that a laptop does? I'm sure you have a longer list?

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Yup. I believe the cloud is going to be leveraged more heavily in the near future, but we're always going to have an HDD to fall back on.

I just don't see the cloud replacing local storage completely until both the ISPs and services can guarantee 99.9% uptime with smooth, fast, and consistent connections throughout the day from anywhere in the country/world.

...which probably won't be happening anytime soon.

How much you bet Apple's next Airport Extreme is going to allow you to offload all your iOS apps and data onto the base station?

You heard it first from me folks!!

Now I better patent that before Apple does...
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 10:18 PM   #160
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So tell me... what DOESN'T a tablet do that a laptop does? I'm sure you have a longer list?
Run Word, Excel or Powerpoint. Photoshop CS6, Final Cut Pro, etc. The iPad and most tablets don't have USB ports. Or connectivity to an external monitor. Or the ability to use a flash drive. Or external drive. Or play BluRays. Or in the case of the iPad, use flash.

Of course the Surface Pro and a few other tablets running Windows 8 can do most of what is listed above.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 11:58 PM   #161
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So tell me... what DOESN'T a tablet do that a laptop does?
The list might be long indeed. How about iPad can't do something notebooks were able to do for decade(s) - show two appplications at once? Tha's quite a limitation. And sure it can do a lot - most everything it does it does worse than the cheapest laptop out there.
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 02:07 AM   #162
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[Someone may have made this point already, but...]

Strictly speaking, a chart in the form of % market share doesn't necessarily represent the decline of anything. For example, the desktop PC 'sector' could have grown in reality, it's just that the smartphone/tablet sector grew more.
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 09:25 AM   #163
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Why are so many people bent out of shape over the "post-PC" term?

It's just that: a term, marketing or otherwise.

When Steve Jobs used it, he was describing an era where doing anything a tablet does today necessitated a laptop/desktop, because there was nothing else available. He used the car/truck analogy: at first, every vehicle was a truck. Now we have cars and not everyone needs a truck (despite their usefulness). Can a truck do more than a sedan? Yes. Does everyone need to do what a truck allows? No. So it is with PCs/tablets. This is a simple concept.

Steve saw that most people's needs would be met with a "post-PC" device, and he was right. His vision of "computing for the rest of us" was realized with the iPad and similar devices.

There is no replacement for the horsepower a PC can provide, if, and only if, you need that horsepower. But the truth of the matter is that most people don't need it. Of course, pros do. Enthusiasts (like us here) do. But the average Joe? Not really.

So we are in the "post-PC" era, as defined by Steve. The term just simplifies: "era where you use a device other than a laptop or desktop to do basic, popular, and frequent computing tasks" more succinctly.
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 03:58 PM   #164
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The PC will never be replaced. Maybe for people who've never worked in an office before or held a white collar job. Get out of the tech bubble. Reality is speaking.

Seriously, if MSFT suddenly vanished today, the whole western world would be shut down. No Joke. Almost every industry relies on Microsoft PCs, with the exception of your "creative arts" industry.
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 07:03 PM   #165
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The PC will never be replaced. Maybe for people who've never worked in an office before or held a white collar job. Get out of the tech bubble. Reality is speaking.

Seriously, if MSFT suddenly vanished today, the whole western world would be shut down. No Joke. Almost every industry relies on Microsoft PCs, with the exception of your "creative arts" industry.

Basically.

There isn't anything out now that can replace a pc, the new iac sales surge proves PC's aren't going anywhere
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 07:39 PM   #166
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As I said earlier

We will never be in a post-PC era because the very definition of PC changes all the time.
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 07:43 PM   #167
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The PC will never be replaced.
The mainframe computer will never be replaced. IBM still sells a billion dollars worth of these multi-million dollar boxes. Just came out with a new Z series mainframe last year. But for most purposes, over the last few decades most businesses bought a ton more PCs instead of mainframes.

So, sure, the PC will never be replaced. Intel will still sell chips to box makers. But for most purposes, over the next few years, most people will buy a lot more connected smart devices, such as iPhones and iPads, instead of PCs.

But you can show your great-grandkids your ancient PC for laughs. Maybe take them to a museum to show them some punch-card machines as well. They will seem equally as relavent.
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Old Feb 26, 2013, 05:20 PM   #168
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* A computer is only worth what it DOES. The list of ports and specs is useless in and of itself. An iPad is FAR more expandable than a PC, in actual practice, in terms of what it DOES. Because of app availability. Most people I know with PCs don't add software much, and so their PC doesn't perform new tasks. People with iPads (see my story above) are constantly adding new apps to do new things: it's easy and SECURE to do so. So their iPad is more expandable than their PC ever was
Try to render some serious film footage on an iPad or do some serious work. Pads (in general) are fun to play with and to write documents on it (still not as practical when using a pc) but that's it. People who state that Pads are more expandable than a PC are missing the real point; real serious work is not about "apps" but about being able to run some serious software that enables the user to do some serious stuff.When it comes to that apps can't deliver.

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So, sure, the PC will never be replaced. Intel will still sell chips to box makers. But for most purposes, over the next few years, most people will buy a lot more connected smart devices, such as iPhones and iPads, instead of PCs.

But you can show your great-grandkids your ancient PC for laughs. Maybe take them to a museum to show them some punch-card machines as well. They will seem equally as relavent.
Sure, but for now Pads can't seriously be compared with PC's when talking about power. Sure, it's funny to do so but it's not something I can take seriously on this moment. Maybe in the future ahead of us, but still, one needs a good big screen to see what they, as an artist, is editing/designing or is animating. Pads are not made to take that over, they remain simply to small and with good reason because they are not made to do some serious eduting work or to make animations on it.
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When you talk about power I am noticing an interesting phenomenon: Mobile processors seem to double in speed nearly every year - Moores law in full effect so to speak.

Whereas desktop and laptop processors are speeding up very slowly. We have had 3GHz processors 10 years ago! Since then much has changed but nowhere near the Moores law ...

Processing film truly is one of the last things where desktop machines are needed. There are other specialty applications too but for what 99% of people do with their hardware mobile is already fast enough.
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Try to render some serious film footage on an iPad or do some serious work. Pads (in general) are fun to play with and to write documents on it (still not as practical when using a pc) but that's it. People who state that Pads are more expandable than a PC are missing the real point; real serious work is not about "apps" but about being able to run some serious software that enables the user to do some serious stuff.When it comes to that apps can't deliver.
Tablets are good at doing one task at a time and doing it very well. PC's are very good at doing multiple threaded tasks that may need to share data, and doing them very well.

Integrated Development Environments, to posit an example.. will likely never go Tablet. They simply can't. There are simply too many moving parts. Any application that needs to perform more than one task simply falls apart in tablet form.

You're going to see an interesting thing happen here pretty quickly. First, tablet sales will continue their inertia. In addition, all-in-ones will pickup speed. Both will lead to some shedding of people who don't need their old PC's... others whose lives depend on a solid workstation for work will begin adopting the 4-input Standard by upgrading to touchscreen/pen to match their all-in-ones. People will still be talking about the death of PC's.

And then the killer app which cannot be tabletized or clouded will hit. You'll run your entire house or apartment off of a PC. Tablets can adjust various individual devices, but they'll all be managed through one suite which will control your security, your lighting, your heat, your water, your electricity, your item purchasing, anything you can think of where a computer could help. It'll take a true PC running traditional applications in concert with mobile apps that allow the user to tweak aspects of each particular individual application to manage them all.

It is very short-sighted of Apple to think there aren't or won't be places in this world for the multi-app control functionality that a traditional PC provides, and if they truly think that an iPad that simply runs individual apps can replace one, they've signed their own death warrant.

The danger in that view is if a customer gets reentrenched with a desktop to manage the overall(like say to run the house) control functionality, that they'll naturally want to carry that interface over to their other mobile devices(Refrigerator tablet, Tablet over the counter to give you step-by-step instructions on how to cook and monitor your progress, Tablet to monitor you while sleeping for any irregularities in health, etc).

The ideas are endless, but there is no getting around needing a PC(and probably a very powerful one at that), to manage it all. If you buy an apartment, you'll simply bring it with you with all of your personalized settings and simply hook up in an out of the way place, tweak the controls and tablets of the new apartment and your PC with your all-in-one, and rock on. If you need to check anything from the road, even something like a phone would be fine.

In short, in the future there are applications for all 4 types of devices(phone, pure tablet, all-in-one, PC), and the likely industry leader to provide the software will be that company that can seemlessly bridge all 4.

And the only company building for that future is Microsoft with Windows, and the backend is allready done. What they've been doing is not sexy, its not cutting edge wearable tech, but if they get critical mass its going to absolutely tear the industry up.

Nobody else is even close.

Apple is a mishmash of iOS, OS, mix of touchscreen and not, etc. Google thinks everything can be run off the cloud(and very well may end up with that software that is feasible to be run off a cloud). Both companies are busy trying to find the Next Sexy Tech(Watches, Glasses) to sell to seemingly be worried about the core business.
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Apple is a mishmash of iOS, OS, mix of touchscreen and not, etc. Google thinks everything can be run off the cloud(and very well may end up with that software that is feasible to be run off a cloud). Both companies are busy trying to find the Next Sexy Tech(Watches, Glasses) to sell to seemingly be worried about the core business.
I think you've a point here. Future will tell if you're right.
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