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Judge Voids Nearly Half of Apple's $1 Billion Judgment Against Samsung, Calls for New Trial to Settle Revised Damages

Amazing Iceman said:
This whole thing sucks.

The judge must be angry because can't buy her favorite flip-phone anymore.
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Any reason for the edit(s)?
Amazing Iceman said:
OK, to those with a sensitive heart for the judge, I didn't say anything out of the ordinary. You should start thinking outside the box. Here:



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57497096-37/apple-v-samsung-why-is-judge-koh-so-angry/
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What relevance did that link have to your pointing out her ethnicity? Is it because they touched on her ethnicity? 😕
 
ChazUK said:
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What relevance did that link have to your pointing out her ethnicity? Is it because they touched on her ethnicity? 😕
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Give it a rest, already! Don't you have anything better to do?

The judge could have been from anywhere else. The fact is that the right thing to do would be to assign the case to another judge, not because she may be biased, but to protect her own interests and avoid anyone challenging her position in the case.
The fact that she's korean descendant doesn't make her a bad judge; it just may put her in a bad position to the public eye in this trial.

In business terms, something like this would be considered a conflict of interests.

Or in sports for example, having a Miami Heat fan be the referee in a game between Miami Heat vs Nicks. He may be unbiased, but to the public eye there will always be doubt.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but that's what I think.
Even if I was best friends with the judge, I would still think the same way.

Finally, If you don't like it, too bad.
 
Amazing Iceman said:
The fact that she's korean descendant doesn't make her a bad judge; it just may put her in a bad position to the public eye in this trial.
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I think if you'd clarified yourself better in that way in the original post, none of this would have been bought up.

Surely you've seen all the racial connotations and slurring that have been thrown at the woman from both sides of the camp? I think her Korean roots have made people question her judgement on the many different twists and turns of the case.

Amazing Iceman said:
Finally, If you don't like it, too bad.
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Well I do like it! You're one of the very few people I've seen to make this assessment more than her simply being an Asian/Korean/biased Judge.

Apologies if I've seemed harsh at all, your reasoning is very logical.


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Amazing Iceman said:
Yeah, I decided I didn't want to feed you, but apparently I failed at that.
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Email auto replies - they never let you down from a Ninja edit. 😉
 
Amazing Iceman said:
Give it a rest, already! Don't you have anything better to do?

The judge could have been from anywhere else. The fact is that the right thing to do would be to assign the case to another judge, not because she may be biased, but to protect her own interests and avoid anyone challenging her position in the case.
The fact that she's korean descendant doesn't make her a bad judge; it just may put her in a bad position to the public eye in this trial.

In business terms, something like this would be considered a conflict of interests.
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So, you agree that the judge can't be a Caucasian one?

Are you fine with an Afroamerican one?
 
uknowimright said:
just to make sure we should find an Alien one
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The sillyness in Iceman's assertion is that while of Korean lineage - she's 100% american. Wouldn't that make her a GREAT candidate?

Apple is an American company. Samsung is Korean. So where's the conflict of interest? Oh.. right... when one CHOOSES to ignore who someone really is.

ETA: But he's right "Finally, If you don't like it, too bad." It is too bad. He's entitled to his opinion. But what I find sad is that he really didn't have such conviction after he made the statement. Rather than just say he was making an "ist" comment - he backpeddled. He implied he wasn't making any such think. I would have respected him more for posting his thoughts and having conviction vs posting them and then dancing around them.

Point is - if you feel that strongly - own it. Don't retreat the second someone calls you on it.
 
ChazUK said:
I think if you'd clarified yourself better in that way in the original post, none of this would have been bought up.

Surely you've seen all the racial connotations and slurring that have been thrown at the woman from both sides of the camp? I think her Korean roots have made people question her judgement on the many different twists and turns of the case.



Well I do like it! You're one of the very few people I've seen to make this assessment more than her simply being an Asian/Korean/biased Judge.

Apologies if I've seemed harsh at all, your reasoning is very logical.


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Email auto replies - they never let you down from a Ninja edit. 😉
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OK, buddy. Sorry for the misunderstanding I may have caused. 😀

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Oletros said:
So, you agree that the judge can't be a Caucasian one?

Are you fine with an Afroamerican one?
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I think they should bring a judge from Finland 😀

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samcraig said:
The sillyness in Iceman's assertion is that while of Korean lineage - she's 100% american. Wouldn't that make her a GREAT candidate?

Apple is an American company. Samsung is Korean. So where's the conflict of interest? Oh.. right... when one CHOOSES to ignore who someone really is.

ETA: But he's right "Finally, If you don't like it, too bad." It is too bad. He's entitled to his opinion. But what I find sad is that he really didn't have such conviction after he made the statement. Rather than just say he was making an "ist" comment - he backpeddled. He implied he wasn't making any such think. I would have respected him more for posting his thoughts and having conviction vs posting them and then dancing around them.

Point is - if you feel that strongly - own it. Don't retreat the second someone calls you on it.
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Dude, is it really worth for you to damage your liver over this matter?

If she's 100% American, why does the media always refer to her as being Korean American? Do you understand what the term 100% stands for?

To me it doesn't matter where the judge is from, I'm just saying that it creates a lot of controversy to the public eye.
Oh well, this case is closed!
 
Really, it's time to drop even any hint of assumption of prejudice against Judge Koh.

Few of the Apple fans seemed to care about her background when the original verdict came out wildly for Apple.

In another federal case in California - Judge Walker declared Prop 8 to be unconstitutional in a tour de force decision with hundreds of pages of descriptions of prior decisions and case law from the Supreme Court and down, and a powerful argument as to why "heightened scrutiny" should be applied in *any* legislation which singles out gays and lesbians for special treatment. The "heightened scrutiny" argument is probably the most important facet of his decision.

Months later, the haters supporting Prop 8 tried to use the irrelevant fact that Judge Walker was gay as a reason to overturn his incredibly well-researched opinion. They failed completely.

Judge Koh did not get to where she is by deciding in favor of Koreans (or any other group).

Believe the published story - the jury screwed up in determining some of the damages, and the judge had to throw out part of the damage assessment and call for a retrial. Put the tin-foil hats away.
 
AidenShaw said:
Really, it's time to drop even any hint of assumption of prejudice against Judge Koh.

Few of the Apple fans seemed to care about her background when the original verdict came out wildly for Apple.

In another federal case in California - Judge Walker declared Prop 8 to be unconstitutional in a tour de force decision with hundreds of pages of descriptions of prior decisions and case law from the Supreme Court and down, and a powerful argument as to why "heightened scrutiny" should be applied in *any* legislation which singles out gays and lesbians for special treatment. The "heightened scrutiny" argument is probably the most important facet of his decision.

Months later, the haters supporting Prop 8 tried to use the irrelevant fact that Judge Walker was gay as a reason to overturn his incredibly well-researched opinion. They failed completely.

Judge Koh did not get to where she is by deciding in favor of Koreans (or any other group).

Believe the published story - the jury screwed up in determining some of the damages, and the judge had to throw out part of the damage assessment and call for a retrial. Put the tin-foil hats away.
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As I've said before. Occam's Razor.
 
The trial was held in a California town not far from Apple's HQ.

Perhaps that's why they chose her for the trial, to show a lack of bias (or an equal opportunity for it).

Heck, you can also wonder what would've happened if the trial had been held in Delaware or East Texas. Or if the judge had allowed more time and evidence. Or if the jury foreman had been someone else.

The upshot is, you can find possible bias in anything and everything.
 
kdarling said:
The trial was held in a California town not far from Apple's HQ.

Perhaps that's why they chose her for the trial, to show a lack of bias (or an equal opportunity for it).

Heck, you can also wonder what would've happened if the trial had been held in Delaware or East Texas. Or if the judge had allowed more time and evidence. Or if the jury foreman had been someone else.

The upshot is, you can find possible bias in anything and everything.
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I think your post is very biased.
 
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