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Apple announces iPod nano

Black does go really well with that mouse!

Here's mine:

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Anyone else having problems registering? The CD directs you to www.apple.com/register, but I don't see the nano there yet. I tried typing the serial into regular iPod, but had no luck.
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Anyone else tried to eat it yet?
 
Dave00 said:
I've been saying this for a long time. The shuffle mechanism is not random!
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Randomness does not exist on a computer. It can only be approached.

And yes I hate it too when the shuffle function of a cd/mp3 player doesn't seem random :)
 
The shuffle feature is random, if you have a selection of 1,2,3,4,5 then 1,1,1,1,1 is a possibility for a 5 song playlist. Random means it can take any of the songs and play them at any time. It's not like the lottery where if a number is drawn then it is no longer available for selection, in this case, all songs are available at all times for example:

Lottery method:
1st Selection

1,2,3,4,5 -> say it chooses number 3

2nd Selection

1,2,4,5 -> 5

3rd Selection

1,2,4 and so on.

iPod shuffle method:
1st Selection

1,2,3,4,5 -> 3

2nd Selection

1,2,3,4,5 -> 3

There is nothing to say the iPod or iTunes cannot select a prior song for the next played.
 
mrgreen4242 said:
FFS. Paying attention has nothing to do with vehicles being in places they either aren't expected or just shouldn't be. If there was a little lane in beween each set of regular lanes for motorcycles, then sure, I'd be all for them driving in it. But there's not. Legal (depending where you are) or not, you just don't expect to have a third vehicle coming up between you and another car when you are in adjacent lanes. But, there isn't; there's just the two lanes, so the fact that a motorcycle CAN fit has little to do with it.
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Whilst I can see your point, the fact is that as a driver YOU are responsible to ensuring you don't get into an accident in a stupid manner because of the actions of other people. Sure, you can't do much about some tit rear-ending you, but you can do something about vehicles passing you because you have wing mirrors and the ability to see. If you are doing 20 mph in slow traffic, and a bike comes up the middle at 30mph (typical behaviour, btw), and you try to switch to another lane and run into the bike, it is your fault, you drove without due care and attention.

Now if it was dark, and you accidentally got in the way of some kind of goth biker on an unlit road ... that'd be arguably different. The biker has a responsibility to ensure that they are as visible as possible, and most of that responsibility is to themselves because they don't want to become a road hump for an artic.
 
AidenShaw said:
12 grams, according to my postal scale. That puts the Nano Plus at 34 grams with battery.
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Thanks. I suppose the larger colour display is the issue here, then again I'd never discount the value of something small that feels heavy!

Agreed - but the 1 GB Nano Plus is really somewhere between shuffle and the Ipod Nano in features. And who really believes the "%d songs" anyway, don't you look at the GB?
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True.

BTW, the Nano Plus does WMA VBR format files, and I rip for my MuVo N200 (one generation before the Nano) at an average of 75-95 Kbps, and it sounds *much* better than 128 or even 160 Kbps MP3. Ripping your CDs to MP3 for a WMA player would be silly....
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And the nano does AAC VBR files which are probably the same or better quality as WMA (although OGG usually wins the quality tests). MP3 is an ancient format, hence the bigger size for a certain quality. I wish that iTunes had an import facility whereby as you import into your main library at, e.g., 160kbps VBR, you were also creating an 80kbps VBR 'mobile' variant for your ?5GB player!

Note that the battery life of the Nano Plus is effectively infinite - keep a few spare AAA NiMH batteries charged and in your briefcase, and you can play for days and days....

Just in case you want music on your jungle trek, far away from the mains. :)
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Good point! Maybe the battery manufacturers should come out with a standard 'slim' battery format - you'd have difficulty fitting an AAA into the nano's width! Something like 0.5cm thick, 1cm wide, and 3cm long.
 
lorenzo said:
I lost so much faith in Apple with the iPod U2 release, and now this? I honestly think it's rather ugly. It's elongated, so why did they not make the screen longer so it would be easier to scroll? Instead, it looks pretty awkwardly shaped. Same old scroll wheel, whoopty doo. What if someone does not want to wear it as a lanyard? You have to keep it in your pocket upside down.

The best selling minis are gone. Mass audiences loved the mini. Teenagers, college kids, mothers, whoever. The colors appealed to many, and the silver and golds appealed to the rest! I've got a silver.

I'm in part bitter too because now the resale value of my mini is gone. Whatever, it's only 8 months old and has ALREADY stopped working correctly so I hardly expected to get much from it anyway.

Unfortunatly, it looks like apple is really succeeding well in the industry... great for them but not for us mac users. I feel a bit like less of an individual with their products. I also fear that within the next few years we will some how... some way... be dealing with the same spyware and viruses that PCs are plagued with.

:mad:
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Why the **** does it matter what way up it is in your pocket? In fact, with it upside down, when you pull it out, it will be the right way up in your hand.

Just think that maybe hard drive failure rates in the mini were higher than Apple expected, so moving to flash memory in the mid-range will mean higher reliability.

Also, the screen is the entire depth of the nano. If it was bigger, then the electronics would have nowhere to go! Also fashion items like the mini are nice today, but you have to keep defining the fashionable thing, otherwise clones will copy you and take your value away. The mini is nice, yes, but it is still a lot larger than the nano. Maybe Apple will release some coloured nanos in the future, or maybe they won't. Black and white seem to be very popular regardless.

And what's wrong with the scroll wheel? It is a proven UI navigation tool. Why change something for the sake of changing it?

And we'll only be dealing with large amounts of Spyware and Viruses if Mac OS X somehow gets ?10% of the market and therefore becomes a worthwhile target.

Sheesh, think!
 
the Mini had to die

Newbie here... thought this warranted a reply, rather than just lurking like normal. The mini had to die. I was so excited about my green one, but after 6 months, it started freaking out. I sent it back to Apple, because it was still under warranty, and for just the shipping charge of $30, they made it work like new. It looks like the disc wheel was replaced. From the endless complaints I've seen on other boards, this was apparently a major problem. Sad but true. I love the look of the mini, but Apple had to dump them. They must be losing major money on those free repairs. But until the next gen Nanos come out, I'd say the value is pretty poor. If my mini breaks again, I'd opt for a cheap-o shuffle--I use it at the gym after all. I bet the price drops on the shuffles soon, making them an even better value. I have to disagree with some of the early posts... I doubt the shuffle is going away any time soon. When they come out with 8gig Nanos for no price increase, I'll sing a different tune. As for now, the color screen on the Nano doesn't impress me. There isn't enough memory to store my pics on it, and so I'm not looking at it anyway.
 
Hattig said:
Whilst I can see your point, the fact is that as a driver YOU are responsible to ensuring you don't get into an accident in a stupid manner because of the actions of other people. Sure, you can't do much about some tit rear-ending you, but you can do something about vehicles passing you because you have wing mirrors and the ability to see. If you are doing 20 mph in slow traffic, and a bike comes up the middle at 30mph (typical behaviour, btw), and you try to switch to another lane and run into the bike, it is your fault, you drove without due care and attention.

Now if it was dark, and you accidentally got in the way of some kind of goth biker on an unlit road ... that'd be arguably different. The biker has a responsibility to ensure that they are as visible as possible, and most of that responsibility is to themselves because they don't want to become a road hump for an artic.
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I disagree. If you live in a place where a motorcycle is not legally allowed to "split lanes" as some one else called it, the motorcyle would be at fault if I hit one while he was passing between lanes. It's an illegal lane usage issue. It's like when someone pulls into a left turn lane from a driveway and uses it as a merger/acceleration lane. It's not legal and if someone else is pulling into that lane to turn from it and hits the merging/accelerating car, it is the latters fault.

EDIT: BTW, the ONLY PLACE in the USA that a motorcycle can pass between lanes is in California. Everywhere else lane splitting is deemed as having two motorcycles in the same lane side by side. Here is a link. As such, my above scenerio/logic is true 49/50 times.

EDIT2: If you read that page, you will also see that in many states, you can't listen to music while riding a motorcycle legally, and in others you can only use one headphone. I hope the guys I was talking with earlier in this thread read that. :)
 
ClimbingTheLog said:
The Pismo/WallStreets were quite nice and much nicer looking than any Dell has ever been.
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Totally agree! Apple did well with their design.

Right now I would probably go with the white iPod nano. However, I want to see the black one in person first, before making a decision.

Appreciate the comments in the thread about the black ones.

Sushi
 
JD24 said:
Please post a little review on this. How about the sound quality?
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I can't notice any sound quality issues versus the existing iPods.

The only thing I don't like it the sensitivity of the scroll wheel. I was on the bus to work with little 'nano-kun in my breast shirt pocket and the volume would go up and down when I reached for the hand hold at head hight. I fund I had to keep the the hold switch on.

I have also gotten into the bad habit (after only one day and all) of pulling it out of my pocket by the headphone cable. The unit is so small that is sits at the bottom of my shirt pocket and i couldn't be bothered about sticking my fingers in to get it out so I pull on the headphone cable.

Also, I guess with secrecy around the design and form factor Apple didn't want to work with anyone to produce add ons like the lanyard and tube covers until the design was announced. That leaves a couple of weeks at least - so I am going to have to be nice to my little 'nano-kun so as not to get his all scratched up.
 
A Rather Bold Move...

I have supported Apple since I started to look into their 3rd Generation iPods in the beginning of the year 2004, and made myself buy a 4G 40GB iPod color. (Which has now become a collectors edition....)

Ever since, Apple has continued to amaze me. The Shuffle was a sheer MP3 market killer, and now with the complete overhaul with mini and the introduction of the nano seems like Apple is completely on the prowl in terms of the MP3 player market.

I do not believe that the mini is gone forever, if it was replaced, these nanos would've been called minis. I for one reason believe that the minis will come back with a complete upgrade and face lift.

1. Weight reduction: Minis are too heavy for their relatively small size
2. Color screen: This particular omission was a crucial factor for many to opt for the iPod color screens
3. Improvement of the scratch-proof surface.

I don't see Jobs, a genius enterpreneur, will simply suddenly betray the Mini which has served Apple so well, that it has been doing half the work in the international iPod sensation. Minis never made the color break. They will.

It has to come down to this:

1. the Shuffle range: Flash based quick iPods. (perhaps a scrolling screen in the future)
2. the mini range: Iodized surface but smaller and slimmer and with color
3. the nano range: ordinary iPod surface with smaller and slimmer aspects.
4. the macro range: the iPods (color)
5. the video range: This particular spot has been in the debating room for a long time, and till this date we do not know. There were rumours of its possibility in September (which is now), but with the nano introduction, the video range has become even more remote.

Apple is insurmountably clever. They knew that many people who looked at their iPod catalogue and said "gee, I love the iPods but they're way too big capacity for me...I don't need that much....but I can't stand the minis..the color is just too..."

So, they came up with the iPod, except in a mini version. Superb idea, why ever did they not think of it in the first place??? The next obvious move is to cater for the mini crowd, who love the iodized surface.

HAIL JOBS!
 
h00ligan said:
where are you guys buying them? The freaking flagship store in soho hasn't even got them yet - BASTIDS.
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For the very first time I can remember an Apple product is available in Japan the day it is announced (well the next morning given time difference). Every other announcement meant a few weeks wait for Japan but not the iPod nano - I got me one at 10.15 September 8 - all of 7 hours after the intro...

7 HOURS!! And only because the store didn't open till 10 am!!
 
dontmatter said:
But the more I look... I don't know, say someone's deciding between the nano and a zen micro or other ipod mini knockoff. You're looking at paying 70 bucks more, not getting as much storage, no extras....
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Looking at the current marketshare for MP3 players would seem to indicate that consumers have already decided in the iPod's favor, no?
 
i-clipper said:
Huh, why did they skip he "micro" and go straight from "mini" to "nano"? So what's the next smaller one going to be called, the "pico"?
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They didn't use 'micro' because it suggests hokey 80's home computers with 32K of RAM and cassette-based storage.

They used 'nano' because it suggests uber-cool hi-tech cutting-edge shiny goodness.
 
market share matters, or not?

jouster said:
dontmatter said:
Looking at the current marketshare for MP3 players would seem to indicate that consumers have already decided in the iPod's favor, no?
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Love to see these arguments that market share matters where Apple has it (Ipod), but market share isn't important where Apple is a tiny niche (Mac). :)
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Decision

I can't decide if I should get the Nano, or the Rokr phone. I need a new phone, but the iPod Nano looks so cool!
 
d.perel said:
I can't decide if I should get the Nano, or the Rokr phone. I need a new phone, but the iPod Nano looks so cool!
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I'd get the nano, as I don't like that ROKR thing (judging from his expressions and body language, Steve wasn't much for it either...) :cool:
 
Oct 7 Video iPod

Not allowed to start a new topic so here it is.

Oct 7 is the next event. INTRO Video iPod
Video iPod looks like existing 60G but with smaller wheel to make room for a screen which nearly extends to the sides and top of the unit.

Will be a few mm thinner than the 60G.

I get a positive nod on the WiFi option. Also a positive nod on the mention of Airport Express update with video out for your TV.
 
podfuture said:
Not allowed to start a new topic so here it is.

Oct 7 is the next event. INTRO Video iPod
Video iPod looks like existing 60G but with smaller wheel to make room for a screen which nearly extends to the sides and top of the unit.

Will be a few mm thinner than the 60G.

I get a positive nod on the WiFi option. Also a positive nod on the mention of Airport Express update with video out for your TV.
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Interesting. Based on your past relative accuracy on the nano (you called the look, capacity, and price... just a hair of on the size, but really close) I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt... any word on pricing? Capacity? Actual size of the wheel? I spose they could take the wheel part off of the nano and use that, leaving a good amount of space available for a widescreen display...

How about added funtionality for the iTMS and current color capable iPods? One thing I can see as being very useful/popular would be a video podcast style movie of current movie ads.
 
mrgreen4242 said:
Interesting. Based on your past relative accuracy on the nano (you called the look, capacity, and price... just a hair of on the size, but really close) I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt... any word on pricing? Capacity? Actual size of the wheel? I spose they could take the wheel part off of the nano and use that, leaving a good amount of space available for a widescreen display...

How about added funtionality for the iTMS and current color capable iPods? One thing I can see as being very useful/popular would be a video podcast style movie of current movie ads.
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This Oct 7 (plus minus a day or two) event is part of a 1-2 punch for Christmas.

The VidiPod (the name I give it) is a high-end device. I cannot know if the WiFi is standard or not, but I believe it will be. I don't see FCC approvals yet, though..

I have to pose questions to my buddies and see how they answer. I only refer info from those who have seen the pre-production units first hand. They nod positive on

Price $449 (this has most uncertainty)
Capacity >60GB
Wifi Standard
Update to Airport Express
Update to iTMS.

Another nod: Focus is music videos and QT movie trailers. Sit on your sofa. Use the iPod as the source and controller. Stream to your TV. Get fat.

Some mention of cool games but Apple has no content.

Apple intends to control more of the accessory business because it it comes with good margin and they give us the most consistent experience.

This means we get more cool "made for Apple" stuff, but at a little higher price points.

I can't handle all the good news coming from Apple!! Neither can the wallet.
 
podfuture said:
This Oct 7 (plus minus a day or two) event is part of a 1-2 punch for Christmas.

The VidiPod (the name I give it) is a high-end device. I cannot know if the WiFi is standard or not, but I believe it will be. I don't see FCC approvals yet, though..

I have to pose questions to my buddies and see how they answer. I only refer info from those who have seen the pre-production units first hand. They nod positive on

Price $449 (this has most uncertainty)
Capacity >60GB
Wifi Standard
Update to Airport Express
Update to iTMS.

Another nod: Focus is music videos and QT movie trailers. Sit on your sofa. Use the iPod as the source and controller. Stream to your TV. Get fat.

Some mention of cool games but Apple has no content.

Apple intends to control more of the accessory business because it it comes with good margin and they give us the most consistent experience.

This means we get more cool "made for Apple" stuff, but at a little higher price points.

I can't handle all the good news coming from Apple!! Neither can the wallet.
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Seems neat, but... useless. I mean, if they were offering a full movie/tv download service, and bundling a 40-80gb iPod with a device to stream it to your TV wirelessly, maybe I'd bite, depending on price... but seems a bit under featured and overpriced without an iFlix store and an INCLUDED way to get the signal to your TV AND a way to wirelessly control it.

Ah well, at least they are making steps forward.
 
Has anyone seen the TV spot?

I was watching TV last night and there are already commercials for the nano.

They show the hand holding the nano and the camera spins around it, then the tagline impossibly small...etc....

pretty cool, I just wish they would advertise some actual computers.
 
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