I am glad I got the 11"inch I-5 with 512SSD/8GB
I7 has been having a lot of bad battery issues reported through this forum
I7 has been having a lot of bad battery issues reported through this forum
Doesn't matter a DIME to the 11' enthusiasts as 13' review is baseless for us
I am glad I got the 11"inch I-5 with 512SSD/8GB
I7 has been having a lot of bad battery issues reported through this forum
Yeah, I've got an i7 one arriving on Monday and I'm wondering if I should swap it before opening it...
I'm going out of town on Saturday for 2 days, I'll not bring the power cord with me, that will be a good test to see how long it last.
my i7 8/512 is giving me about 7 , maybe 8 hours of real world use with screen turned up 2 clicks below max, wifi on and me doing a lot of futzing around with various software.
I consider that pretty good. Anyone who takes manufacturers batt life marketing estimates as anything more than wishful thinking in the real world is ... well ... is not a good consumer.
I just ran out of battery with my ultimate 13" i7 MB Air. Clocked usage time was 12h 15 mins. It included indexing the whole migrated hard drive and updating and using (about 20 minutes) 2 virtual machines in Parallels (Ubuntu and Win 8). Rest of the time was surfing the web, using terminal with SSH and also driving 3 benchmarks with Geekbench 2.
BTW, Geekbench 2 with 32-bit test produced almost exactly 7500 points, in comparison to 7007 for the 2012 ultimate model. That is about 7% more power. That obviously does not tell the whole truth, but it gives some indication, that in wide variety of CPU intensive tasks, the new Haswell performs just a bit better while also saving on the wattage.
Thanks for the report! So you had parallels running that whole time? I've heard reports that parallels wrecks battery life down to 4-5 hours!
The i7 doesn't run much faster by default than the i5, but it can turbo a higher clock speed than the Core i5.
If you're running a high CPU workload that never lets up in a continuous loop, the i7 is going to die quicker than the i5. Active power is greater at higher frequencies (assuming everything else remains the same) and with no chance to get to sleep the i7 will eat through the battery faster than the i5.
Where the i7 stands a chance however is in workloads where you aren't running the CPU at full tilt all of the time. The i7 needs tiny, tiny, tiny fractions of a second of idle time to throttle down and go to sleep. It's in these sleep states that it'll draw very little power and avoid being a major consumer of the battery. From the CPU's perspective, it wants to finish its work as quickly as possible so it can get back into its really low power idle states.
For workloads with balanced periods of load and idle time, the i7 should be able to at least equal the battery life of the i5. Short bursts of instructions can execute up to 25% faster on the i7, allowing it to go back to sleep that much quicker. Any energy expended from running at higher clock could be saved by spending more time at idle.
The other advantage is the larger cache. A larger cache means a higher likelihood of finding data in that cache, which saves trips to main memory. Anytime you go off-chip for data the power penalty is tremendous. You have to fire up a powerful memory interface, drive requests back and forth over a high speed bus and actually pull the data from DRAM. The entire process is far more power intensive than just grabbing data from the CPU's on-die cache.
Personally, I'll be going for the i7/8/256 varient of the MBA11". Battery life varies depending on how the CPU is used. Asking others how the battery life fares for them will not give any indication of what you will receive yourself. The i7, although using more power, should, in theory, finish the task quicker, and hence go back into its low power idle state quicker then the i5, thus saving power. The battery life for both models should, in theory, be more or less equal unless you throttle the i7 at its high clock speed for long periods of time.
If you need absolutely the best battery life go for the i5, if you need a little tiny bit of extra power and less battery life go for the i7, it is pretty clear now.
Yes and no.
The i5 will most certainly give the best battery life - completely agree - although when performing non-intensive tasks, like checking emails, browsing the web, word processing, etc, the i7 will be on par when it comes to battery life. The difference would be minutes, not hours, and hence a non-concern. Heat would also be a non-concern, due to the light usage.
I wouldn't call the difference between the i5 and i7 tiny though. You have more cache as well, which is also an important factor to consider, as highlighted in my previous post - its not just about the raw speed.
For most peoples uses, the i5 will probably be just fine. For those who want that extra bit of oomphh, the i7 will give very similar battery life to the i5 under light load, but you have the speed there when/if you should need it.
The i7 doesn't run much faster by default than the i5, but it can turbo a higher clock speed than the Core i5.
If you're running a high CPU workload that never lets up in a continuous loop, the i7 is going to die quicker than the i5. Active power is greater at higher frequencies (assuming everything else remains the same) and with no chance to get to sleep the i7 will eat through the battery faster than the i5.
Where the i7 stands a chance however is in workloads where you aren't running the CPU at full tilt all of the time. The i7 needs tiny, tiny, tiny fractions of a second of idle time to throttle down and go to sleep. It's in these sleep states that it'll draw very little power and avoid being a major consumer of the battery. From the CPU's perspective, it wants to finish its work as quickly as possible so it can get back into its really low power idle states.
For workloads with balanced periods of load and idle time, the i7 should be able to at least equal the battery life of the i5. Short bursts of instructions can execute up to 25% faster on the i7, allowing it to go back to sleep that much quicker. Any energy expended from running at higher clock could be saved by spending more time at idle.
The other advantage is the larger cache. A larger cache means a higher likelihood of finding data in that cache, which saves trips to main memory. Anytime you go off-chip for data the power penalty is tremendous. You have to fire up a powerful memory interface, drive requests back and forth over a high speed bus and actually pull the data from DRAM. The entire process is far more power intensive than just grabbing data from the CPU's on-die cache.
Personally, I'll be going for the i7/8/256 varient of the MBA11". Battery life varies depending on how the CPU is used. Asking others how the battery life fares for them will not give any indication of what you will receive yourself. The i7, although using more power, should, in theory, finish the task quicker, and hence go back into its low power idle state quicker then the i5, thus saving power. The battery life for both models should, in theory, be more or less equal unless you throttle the i7 at its high clock speed for long periods of time.