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ghettochris

macrumors 6502a
Feb 19, 2008
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With the majority of the report behind a paywall

WTF, you have one job MacRumors. Take some of that ad revenue and conquer the paywall instead of leaving us hanging until someone in the forums coughs some hard earned cash to do it themselves.
 

theBB

macrumors 68020
Jan 3, 2006
2,453
3
SemiAccurate has a mixed track record [...]
Well, with a name like that, it does not seem like they were aiming to be *very accurate* in the first place. :)
 

cmChimera

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Feb 12, 2010
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SemiAccurate reports that Apple is ramping up its efforts to control its own supply chain, seeking to produce its own chips and buying into a chip fabrication facility to accomplish that goal.With the majority of the report behind a paywall, details remain scarce, but the teaser walks through how Intel, TSMC, Global Foundries, and IBM are unable to entirely meet Apple's chip needs as it looks to move away from Samsung as the manufacturer of A-series chips for its iOS devices.

Tags associated with the article include all of those companies, as well as "UMC", which undoubtedly refers to United Microelectronics Corporation, a Taiwanese semiconductor company with a focus on the foundry business, hinting that UMC may be involved in Apple's effort in some manner. UMC currently operates a number of fabs in Taiwan, and also has a facility in Singapore that the company just weeks ago designated as its Center of Excellence for advanced specialty process technologies.

Any move by Apple to produce its own chips is almost certainly years in the future given the difficulty of building up that expertise, and so Apple will need to continue relying on manufacturing partners for its A-series chips for the foreseeable future. Just last month, TSMC reportedly confirmed that it has struck a deal to produce A-series chips for Apple, offering the iOS device maker a path to minimize its reliance on Samsung. The TSMC deal comes after years of rumors as TSMC suffered from technical glitches and other issues that kept Apple from committing to the chipmaker.

SemiAccurate has a mixed track record, having correctly predicted Apple's shifts in graphics chip suppliers for its Mac lines several times, but also incorrectly claiming in May 2011 that Apple would soon be moving its Macs to ARM processors. More recently, the site has been keeping on top of Apple's work to recruit AMD engineers for its "Orlando GPU Design Center".

Article Link: Apple Reportedly Buys Into a Chip Fab, Looking to Produce Its Own Chips
It's a bit premature to say that SemiAccurate was wrong in claiming that Macs would switch to ARM processors. I agree that they are wrong, but their claim stated that the switch wouldn't happen until after mid-2013, which we just got to.
 

donutbagel

macrumors 6502a
Jun 9, 2013
932
1
So much for innovating. Apple just buys out start up places and rebrands it.

And corporations just hire people like Jobs to do the work... If people at Apple did it, it would just be a group of employees that Apple bought out. The phrase I've heard repeatedly is to start a corporation, hire people who are smarter than you.
 
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SeattleMoose

macrumors 68000
Jul 17, 2009
1,960
1,670
Der Wald
Well I can see why they would want to do this. But the risk is that you " end up betting on the wrong horse" (anyone remember Motorola...or even IBM?).

If SamSung or any other "Apple black list" supplier suddenly has a breakthrough product that all your rivals jump on...you'll be left in the dust.
 

macs4nw

macrumors 601
SemiAccurate reports that Apple is ramping up its efforts to control its own supply chain, seeking to produce its own chips and buying into a chip fabrication facility to accomplish that goal.With the majority of the report behind a paywall, details remain scarce, but the teaser walks through how Intel, TSMC, Global Foundries, and IBM are unable to entirely meet Apple's chip needs as it looks to move away from Samsung as the manufacturer of A-series chips for its iOS devices.

Tags associated with the article include all of those companies, as well as "UMC", which undoubtedly refers to United Microelectronics Corporation, a Taiwanese semiconductor company with a focus on the foundry business, hinting that UMC may be involved in Apple's effort in some manner. UMC currently operates a number of fabs in Taiwan, and also has a facility in Singapore that the company just weeks ago designated as its Center of Excellence for advanced specialty process technologies.

Any move by Apple to produce its own chips is almost certainly years in the future given the difficulty of building up that expertise, and so Apple will need to continue relying on manufacturing partners for its A-series chips for the foreseeable future. Just last month, TSMC reportedly confirmed that it has struck a deal to produce A-series chips for Apple, offering the iOS device maker a path to minimize its reliance on Samsung. The TSMC deal comes after years of rumors as TSMC suffered from technical glitches and other issues that kept Apple from committing to the chipmaker.

SemiAccurate has a mixed track record, having correctly predicted Apple's shifts in graphics chip suppliers for its Mac lines several times, but also incorrectly claiming in May 2011 that Apple would soon be moving its Macs to ARM processors. More recently, the site has been keeping on top of Apple's work to recruit AMD engineers for its "Orlando GPU Design Center".

Article Link: Apple Reportedly Buys Into a Chip Fab, Looking to Produce Its Own Chips

"TSMC executives told the WSJ that Apple had asked to either invest in the company or to have TSMC set aside a factory specifically for Apple chips. Executives said they had denied both options because they wanted to keep TSMC's independence and manufacturing flexibility intact." Source: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/2...roduce-a-series-chips-for-future-ios-devices/

If this rumor turns out to be true, it's not surprising that APPLE would want to acquire their own foundry. It's a logical next step, in light of APPLE's failed attempt to get TSMC to put aside an entire factory to manufacture chips for APPLE exclusively. If financially feasible, this is just another step by APPLE to be better able to control their own future.
 

mochatins

macrumors newbie
Aug 18, 2012
29
20
Truth in reporting

My favourite line from the article:

SemiAccurate has a mixed track record​
 

ivladster

macrumors 6502
Jun 29, 2007
480
9
Washington DC
If you had a business, would you rather pay 18$ an hour to unionized workers or 2$ an hour in China?

Be happy Apple is atleast doing a tiny bit to bring jobs back to NA.

It is not about labor cost at all. If you do any research, the reason China is the place to manufacture chips and a lot of technology is because China controls and owns world's largest reserves of rare metals. They're not selling or exporting them to US for manufacturing here, and US can't get to them either. Very competitive market in Africa where a lot of these metals are mined.
 

neutrino23

macrumors 68000
Feb 14, 2003
1,881
391
SF Bay area
Hard to wrap my head around this. Why would they do this? Fabs are difficult and expensive to run. Assuming this is true I'll guess that it is for some minor but important component. I can't imagine they'll have higher tech than Intel or TSMC. Could it be something related to banking where they need absolute control of the security of the chips? Even that is hard to figure.
 

Rot'nApple

macrumors 65816
Dec 27, 2006
1,152
1
I DID build that!
"Apple Reportedly Buys Into a Chip Fab, Looking to Produce Its Own Chips"

In other news, Microsoft begins looking into buying into a Chip Fab company! :D:rolleyes:
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WordMasterRice

macrumors 6502a
Aug 3, 2010
734
100
Upstate NY
Hard to wrap my head around this. Why would they do this? Fabs are difficult and expensive to run. Assuming this is true I'll guess that it is for some minor but important component. I can't imagine they'll have higher tech than Intel or TSMC. Could it be something related to banking where they need absolute control of the security of the chips? Even that is hard to figure.

I had the same thought. Apple doesn't push even close to enough product to make owning a fab a good idea. It would be like a person buying a fully automatic tire balancer for 20 grand because they want to change their own tires once every 2 years.
 

ihuman:D

macrumors 6502a
Jul 11, 2012
925
1
Ireland
"Apple Reportedly Buys Into a Chip Fab, Looking to Produce Its Own Chips"

In other news, Microsoft begins looking into buying into a Chip Fab company! :D:rolleyes:
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Yeah, because once a company isn't Apple most of their products are crap, they're evil, uninnovative and steal all their ideas and concepts off Apple and also mimic them. :rolleyes:
 

tdream

macrumors 65816
Jan 15, 2009
1,094
42
WTF, you have one job MacRumors. Take some of that ad revenue and conquer the paywall instead of leaving us hanging until someone in the forums coughs some hard earned cash to do it themselves.

Semiaccurate need to make a living too, if you want the details pay for the story. Semiaccurate have had their stories ripped off far too many times in the past so that's the reason they are behind the paywall.
 

skratch77

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2013
1,241
5
What if they still built them using X64 architecture?
Then they could even go into the PC marketplace with "windows" compatible cpus!
Not saying they would, or should.. just throwing that out there.

Wow you think apple can just build x86/64 code cpus when intel owns every single patent on it?

No way in hell would intel license it out either
 

rmwebs

macrumors 68040
Apr 6, 2007
3,140
0
Removing Samsung from the supply chain is critical for Apple

It's really not.

Samsung supply a LOT more than iPhone parts. They were the ones who made the working Retina Display (after LG messed it up). A good chunk of your Mac will contain Samsung parts.
 

macs4nw

macrumors 601
I had the same thought. Apple doesn't push even close to enough product to make owning a fab a good idea. It would be like a person buying a fully automatic tire balancer for 20 grand because they want to change their own tires once every 2 years.

Again, assuming this rumor's validity, APPLE must have done the math. Don't overlook the fact they need massive quantities of chips for their entire iOS product line, and once this is up and running (at least several years probably), they'll be in a better overall competitive position.
 

name99

macrumors 68020
Jun 21, 2004
2,188
1,997
Hope this means we get slightly cheaper prices due to direct manufacturing. But no high hopes here :p

Oh don't be stupid. This is not about lowering price, it's about more control. It's about Apple being able to choose how they want to trade-off power vs performance vs density, rather than being forced to accept what an existing fab offers.
Quality costs. Grow up and stop whining about this. As Louis CK say --- a cellphone is a freaking miracle, and you're upset that this miracle costs $650 (or basically $150 to $250 if you're willing to live like an animal and "settle" for an iPhone4 from eBay)!?

More interesting is the choice of partner. Everyone is guessing the Taiwanese, but my guess (based on nothing much!) would be ST. Their Crolles fab seems to be second only to Intel in their power/performance tradeoff.
 

name99

macrumors 68020
Jun 21, 2004
2,188
1,997
What is this macrumors, a freshman psych paper? Buy the report if you're going to quote all of its pertinent information.

Who says they didn't buy the report?
That doesn't mean they're allowed to quote it so that the rest of the internet doesn't have to buy it.
 
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