Giff gaff doesn't offer true unlimited with tethering
Doesn't offer tethering, I'll give you that, but their data is truly unlimited.
Giff gaff doesn't offer true unlimited with tethering
Doesn't offer tethering, I'll give you that, but their data is truly unlimited.
if it doesn't include tethering it's not true unlimited in my book, it's restricted to only my phone. Besides that three uk offer twice the amount of minutes for the same price...
Yeah, 3 provide great value but their coverage is sub-par in my experience compared to O2/gg, at least when I last tried it last year.
Yeah, 3 provide great value but their coverage is sub-par in my experience compared to O2/gg, at least when I last tried it last year.
Do a lot of travelling? I'm also in berks and find 3 better than vodafone who have their head office just down the road and are meant to have the best(?) coverage! Better is probably a little biased, to be perfectly honest, they both work 99.9% of the places I go.
I did convince a local friend to switch to 3 a while ago, who cancelled quite quickly after discovering his reception was non existent while inside his home (which didn't on his previous O2 account).
Then again, I get a single bar with 3 at my dads in remote Surrey, while his O2 handset and my vodafone handset get nothing.
My point? No idea! You're screwed whatever you do I think, need to try before you buy with a load of sims in whatever handset you're planning on using!
Comes off a little isolated and arrogant? I don't know your situation there too well either, I'm trying to help - Maybe you should read my posts carefully, because as I stated getting a great deal on a phone contract isn't 'the norm' for everyone outside of the US, it's the exception - Truth is, most people don't know how to shop (or even that these deals exist). I pay less than a quarter of what the vast majority of my friends do, and get far more. I normally get 'searching for a deal or getting cashback is too much effort' excuses, but for anyone that posts on a tech forum, we're literally talking a few minutes for potentially 100's of £ savings.
if you have plans to travel internationally and just want to flip a sim card in, or don't want to be tied down to a carrier, buying it outright directly from apple means you get an unlocked unit and is the only way i'll buy any phone.
Unfortunately in US, those who pay full price, pay twice for it. First you have initial cost. Then you have the same monthly payment to Verizon, AT&T, etc, for service as those who bought it with a subsidy. So those who got it for $199 with contract come out ahead on the cost of the phone. Sure with full price you can walk away anytime and go to a different carrier, but you pay the same price on a month to month basis. Then you have incompatible LTE between the carriers, so if you want to switch and have LTE, you have to sell your current phone, and then pay full price again.
Most people in the USA are on family plans and most also have corporate discounts.
I have 4 lines plus 24% discount. My total cost including unlimited data on 4 smartphone lines was $210 a month for post paid plan.
That works out to about $52 per line for unlimited text/data and 700 min plus rollover plus any mobile (essentially unlimited minutes).
Plus ATT also gives me upwards to a $400 subsidy per line every 24 months.
Don't think Americans are stupid. $52 a line that includes taxes and a subsidy is a good deal.
In Europe and Asia there aren't any true family plans that offer significant savings like in the USA.
The stats don't lie. Something like 60% of Americans are on family lines and 88% are on family lines and or also have corporate discounts.
When Verizon and ATT brag about have 100 million customers. That has come back to haunt them cause many of those lines 2-5 are really family lines which generate far less revenue than the primary line yet lines 2-5 all receive the same $400 subsidy as the primary lines.
The big carriers are trying to figure out a way to generate more revenue yet their hands are tied since their real growth in customers have been through family lines.
But if they make family lines expensive than they risk losing customers to prepaid like Tmobile USA and straight talk etc.
They are in a catch-22 situation. Those is reason they are trying to make upgrades 24
Months instead of 12-18 months in the past. 12 month upgrades for their best customers used to be the norm but they got rid of that almost 2 years ago.
Most don't have 24% discounts. 10% to 15% is probably the norm. A $210 phone bill per month is crazy, no matter how many lines you have. $2500 yearly phone bill is absurd for a family. And many families that pay that price also say they can't afford health insurance at that same price.
Most don't have 24% discounts. 10% to 15% is probably the norm. A $210 phone bill per month is crazy, no matter how many lines you have. $2500 yearly phone bill is absurd for a family. And many families that pay that price also say they can't afford health insurance at that same price.
Most don't have 24% discounts. 10% to 15% is probably the norm. A $210 phone bill per month is crazy, no matter how many lines you have. $2500 yearly phone bill is absurd for a family. And many families that pay that price also say they can't afford health insurance at that same price.
This is the unlocking part. In the U.S., that's not a reason to buy unsubsidized. The U.S. carrier, after a couple of payments will unlock it for you for International travel, but NOT unlock for domestic, direct-competition carriers.
And then third-party unlock seems easy and cheap enough.
I really don't buy this, for most people. So how many choices of carriers do you have, and every carrier has goods and bads. U like a carrier, u tend to stay with it. You make it sound like switching fast good outlets.
IMO, the Average Joe is also not buying their iPhone outright, either.Lets be real.. the average joe buying an iPhone is not traveling all their lives.
I called AT&T about this and they said they do not unlock in-contract phones regardless of reason, not even for international travel. (Unless you're getting deployed in the military.)
Covered in prior posts but to sum up:Don't carriers still get their full contract prices but the difference is you can leave whenever you want?
Yup. Contract is always on the service -- not the device. Contract comes with the subsidized device but it's on the service.Side note: if I sold my current phone under contract, could I deactivate it, buy another, and add it to my current contract or am I subject to a cancellation fee?
You don't have to. One person not seeing the point in something doesn't mean that others don't see the point. The universe doesn't revolve around any one single person despite how that one perspective may make it appear so.I really don't buy this, for most people. So how many choices of carriers do you have, and every carrier has goods and bads. U like a carrier, u tend to stay with it. You make it sound like switching fast good outlets.
It's not just that.
There are people who will lose significant benefits if they sign a new contract (like unlimited data on Verizon), or need their phone unlocked instantly (for international travel -- AT&T will not unlock your iPhone until after you've finished your two-year contract).
Folks in those situation have no real choice but to buy their phones outright. And even though they're paying an extra $400 to buy the phone outright, they're likely saving in the long-run compared to if they had purchased the less-expensive subsidized version of the phone and lived with the restrictions (i.e. paid more every month for a larger data plan, or paid the carrier's exorbitant international data/voice fees vs. using a local pre-paid SIM).
In Europe and Asia there aren't any true family plans that offer significant savings like in the USA.
Exactly. I paid full price for my phone and I'm using it on cricket. Next week I will port to tmobile to enjoy unlimited full speed lte for one year special. After a year I may port back to cricket.Covered in prior posts but to sum up:
- Not subject to ETF
- Can use cheaper prepaid services
- Typically fully unlocked for domestic and international use
- Can retain grandfathered plan/features
Yup. Contract is always on the service -- not the device. Contract comes with the subsidized device but it's on the service.
You don't have to. One person not seeing the point in something doesn't mean that others don't see the point. The universe doesn't revolve around any one single person despite how that one perspective may make it appear so.
Unfortunately in US, those who pay full price, pay twice for it. First you have initial cost. Then you have the same monthly payment to Verizon, AT&T, etc, for service as those who bought it with a subsidy. So those who got it for $199 with contract come out ahead on the cost of the phone. Sure with full price you can walk away anytime and go to a different carrier, but you pay the same price on a month to month basis. Then you have incompatible LTE between the carriers, so if you want to switch and have LTE, you have to sell your current phone, and then pay full price again.