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litmag01

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Jul 16, 2009
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Geee I wonder who stands to gain from his comments. And, wow, what he did to PeoplSoft was stellar. What a Debbie downer.
 

Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
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That was then and this is now.

He could be right, he could be wrong. But the fact is Apple haven't brought anything interesting to the table in a few years, just incremental updates to existing product lines.

Google/Android and the rest of the world are catching up or surpassing in some areas so I wouldn't say the future is as rosy as it appeared 2 or 3 years ago.

Aren't pretty much all phones incremental updates at this point? Bigger screens, better displays, faster processors, etc. The competiton has always "out featured" or "out spec'd" Apple. That certainly happened when Steve was around.
 

flottenheimer

macrumors 68000
Jan 8, 2008
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Up north
iOS7, OSX Mavericks, new AppleTV, new Mac Pro, iWatch ... and a constant flow of incremental updates to the worlds best laptops, all-in-ones, smartphones and tablets.

I simply don't see this ship sinking for the foreseeable future.

BTW, I have never liked Apple's #1 position at anything when it comes to sales, marketshare or money in the bank. The Apple I know and love is a challenger brand at heart. I don't care if they make or sell the most of anything — but they do need to make the best of the things they do, and sell a healthy portion of those products.
 

Vanilla35

macrumors 68040
Apr 11, 2013
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everyone did universally love the green felt of Game Center and the yellow lined paper of note pad. on the other hand...what the hell are you talking about?!

what icons are you having problems identifying in the ios7 beta? with some changes comes some adjustment and that's it. i think you have a bigger problem than ios 7 does.

I can tell right away that you're ignorant because you still mention the green felt. Get over it, it was in an app no one cares about, and it wasn't that big of a deal. Regarding the notes app, I'll take the yellow notepad theme over the eye blinding white, absolutely void of any design ios7 notes app. But that's just my personal opinion. I didn't care about the felt.

These icons are what I'm talking about. Specifically on the bottom right
 

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kingtj

macrumors 68030
Oct 23, 2003
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Well, we know at least ONE of these answers ....

The rumored new TV set from Apple is still a project from the "Steve Jobs pipeline", if you believe what was said by Walter Isaacson.

Everything I heard pointed to Jobs taking an interest in Apple doing a parallel thing with television that it succeeded in doing with music.

IMO, the series of AppleTV boxes Apple always insisted were a "hobby project" were the first signs of that interest. But as Jobs quickly discovered after releasing the first revision of AppleTV, the television networks and movie studios were much more difficult to negotiate with than the music industry was. (When iTunes launched, the music industry was in upheaval, feeling attacked from all sides by people sharing around digital copies of tracks without the industry getting their cut. They were blindsided by such things as Napster. So Jobs was able to herd them his direction, at least to give it an experimental trial. When money started flowing in, they signed the contracts.) The TV/movie industry has the hindsight of that whole experience and saw the pros and cons of it. They also know there are other "giants" competing to offer streaming programming, like Amazon and Google.

If I had to guess, one of Jobs' last thoughts on this was to build an "insanely great" television set, so people would have a reason to look to Apple for the TV and movie content. The AppleTV set top boxes just weren't unique enough, or offered enough value to accomplish that. With the right hardware, Apple *could* finally get some real negotiating leverage for content.


Whether you like his opinion or not, you do kinda have to respect it. Even though it was so late in the 90s and early in the 2000s when he was on Apple's board, he did see a lot more than the public does of what goes on in the company.

I'm tired of the "Steve would've never let this happen" thing. But on the other hand, if the board is worried there hasn't been enough innovation since Steve has been gone, you have to wonder what's going on in the product pipeline, especially since Steve set Apple up for a few years.

Was the Retina display MacBook Pro the last thing in Steve's pipeline? Did the company change course? Is Tim Cook not acting as Steve had wished?

But needless to say, not a single person in the public knows what's going on behind closed doors and can't answer any of these questions I just stated. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

scbn

macrumors 6502
Jul 25, 2010
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I agree with some of comments here about Apple and Steve. The biggest and most successful creation of Steve Jobs is Apple itself - the way how Apple conducts its business has not changed, i.e., they refuse to release a half-baked product, and they don't go after the very low ends of the markets, etc.

Larry and everybody else outside the company only see the products they release every year, and there has been a big gap between products releases in the last 9 months or so. Naturally people will have doubts and get impatient. But you can't cross Apple out just because of one bad year.
 

mabhatter

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Jan 3, 2009
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Larry Ellison is a clueless arrogant prick. That is the number 1 reason i left Oracle - i was sick of making him rich while our bonuses were cut every year. Take his prediction with a grain of salt. He is clueless. I don't know what Steve saw in him. I think he just liked competing with him.

What does LARRY ELLISON make? Not "Oracle" or sitting on a board, but what does he MAKE? When was his last personal patent for Database operations? Steve Is STILL getting patents granted and he's dead.
 

mabhatter

macrumors 65816
Jan 3, 2009
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Agreed. He is a supply guy but no visionary. Kinda sad. I still love my Mac products but reading an article recently which said the board of apple is putting pressure on Tim cook to turn around products faster dt the ongoing threat of android. I think that's the wrong way of running apple. Apple was always about fine tuning a product and making it close to perfection to satisfy Steve Jobs drive for perfection. In that drive, products became great and caught on. Releasing products for the sake of the bottom sounds like apple of the mid to late 80s after jobs was ousted and apple launching crappy products.

The need a handful of really crazy product developers... Woz kind of nuts-n-bolts guys that just make crazy stuff that breaks all the existing rules...Just to piss Johnny off.

Steve's real talent was picking the best "rough diamond" out of a bag o rocks and then selling it. Apple needs a new source of "bags of rocks" and the stomach to back crazy bad ideas just for practice.

They almost need a second company that can play fast and loose with all of Apple's established rules. Something about one step up from a Maker-space... And when that company finds great ideas, Apple can polish them up.
 

phoenixsan

macrumors 65816
Oct 19, 2012
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Well.....

dont take a genius to figure out Apple will have problems without the late Mr. Jobs. A leader, visionary, marketing guru, design mind and so on. A truly and real creative force.

Cant be replaced.......:( Mimicked? Maybe....But maybe Apple will need 5 or 6 people with abilities above average to accomplish that...and still fail.......:confused:......:eek:



:):apple:
 

SusanK

macrumors 68000
Oct 9, 2012
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2,655
One to One

"we already know"

ok, but back in the 90's when Apple tried to survive without Jobs, Jobs was still alive

even if the company was struggling, he could have come back anytime


ever since Jobs passed away, i could sense the difference as an employee

never before, apple has ever been focused on metrics and obsessed with making money

i joined the company almost a year before he was gone and the company was worried about how to service people well at the genius bar, how to provide the best training during One-to-One and making sure customers would leave the store with proper training through setup sessions
Apple was obsessed with Net Promoter Score, because it was more worried about people being happy and being promoters for the brand they like rather than making more money, selling more and selling with the highest attachment rate (managers harassing specialists to sell O2O, APP and JV)

i finally left because Apple lost its Apple spirit

I tend to agree on the hard sell of One to One. I did not purchase it when I bought my Mac. I booked a few consumer workshops. Some informative others not so much. The experience was pleasant even when presenter lacked knowledge on the topic.

One day I went in and an employee approached me with the good news that the manager is making an exception for me. They are offering One to One to me even though I bought the Mac several months prior. I never inquired about One to One. I did purchase as there was no graceful way not to. Then the fun began.

If I went to the Apple Store for any reason a trainer was following me around trying to train me on the spot. I was not interested. They persisted. It was obvious that trainers were being pressured to schedule appointments.

I did THREE private sessions. They were ok but no gret revelation. I get more from MM or Dummies. The last time I checked my One to One profile it indicated SEVEN training sessions a few listed as group sessions. Not possible to do group as the can't seem to get two One to One members in the same session.

Finally it got to the point that I avoided the store. I was tired of trainer pressuring me to do an on the spot session. I made purchases elsewhere to avoid a trainer following me around the store.

Would be good if they followed the policy on One to One only offered at the time a Mac is purchased.

Not sure why they are hard selling One to One. They got $99 and lost sales as I went elsewhere to purchase items. Curious that they pad the customer profile to indicate we did sessions that we did not.

I bought my Mac on Black Friday 2012. One to One April 4, 2013. Nice grace period;)
 
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potvkettle

macrumors newbie
Nov 7, 2012
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Evaluate Tim Cook's performance based on the facts that we have.

1) Does put anti-glare dispalys in the iMac, but then goes for that new technique in fusing the glass to the housing (or whatever) and the result is production problems causing delays in getting the product to market, and then the displays are too color vibrant for me, too hard to look at for extended periods. And the 21.5" RAM can't be user upgraded? Poor design!!

2) 2012 Mac Mini uses Intel HD graphics 4000 which in that generation are unsatisfactory (not against Intel HD graphics, especially the 5000 in the new Air looks good, but just saying that the 2011 Mac Mini had a better graphics subsystem even if limited to 256 MB of very fast discrete VRAM)

3) No real Mac Pro update since 2010 (all they had to do was release one with Thunderbolt please with $170 billion can't they afford this?) and when they finally announce one, it is this redesign and we are still waiting for it! And it only has 4 RAM slots so apparently is limited to 64 GB of RAM for the next year or two at least.

4) >4" screen iPhone is probably NOT coming out this year, which is NOT SATISFACTORY.

5) No 7" tablet.

Conclusion: Tim Cook has done some good things such as the iPad mini but he appears to be a perfectionist who is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, and he is not filling the product niches. As for really innovative entirely new product lines, well I'm willing to give him another two to three years for that. Real innovation happens when a variety of factors converge. It was 6 years between the iPod and the iPhone, then 3 before the iPad. But he might be gone before then if he doesn't stop taking too long to get new products out and then they are disappointing.

Sorry. Hurt my head trying to read all of that.
 

donutbagel

macrumors 6502a
Jun 9, 2013
932
1
Ummm, the first generation aluminum iPhone to the plastic iPhone 3G maybe?

Oh that. Ehh, it was partially aluminum and really bad quality.

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I.e investing in plastic crap iPhone 5C alongside with yet another boring, the same looking 5S instead of releasing bigger, wider screen one, will definitely not go very well with investors and potential iPhone buyers.
Just watch those shares tumbling down after 9/10...

So far, it looks like a way bigger improvement over the 5 than the 4S was over the 4, and the 4S was a hit. If the investors were worried about it looking the same, that would have already been factored into the stock price because of all the leaks.
 

IGregory

macrumors 6502a
Aug 5, 2012
669
6
Yup it's happening. Just look at the state of iOS 7 and the cheap plastic rumoured iPhones. Steve Jobs would have never allowed this.

Oh come on......those "cheap plastic iPhones" are mainly catered for a specific market where the current iPhone is beyond the what the local inhabitants can afford, e.g. China. Samsung Android smartphones are killing iPhones in the Asian perimeter. Jobs trusted Johnny Ives judgement. Ives is the driving force behind IOS 7. If we are to accept your view, Jobs would have said no to Ives and IOS 7. I don't think so. Ives is behind most of the important achievements that made Apple great. Now, you argue lets reject Johnny Ives because we should no longer trust his judgement because of IOS 7. You are in the minority my friend. IOS 7 will be well received by the Apple Faithful.
 

Arran

macrumors 601
Mar 7, 2008
4,847
3,779
Atlanta, USA
They fired Forstall…..

Not quite. Forstall's really off on vacation working on his zen skills. It was all part of Steve's plan.

Forstall will spend a lonely, contemplative winter in the wilderness, before returning to save Apple! And as it was before, so it will be now.

There! That's my rumor for the day. :)
 
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