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GoCubsGo

macrumors Nehalem
Feb 19, 2005
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Yeah, it's been said in the past years in the enterprise world that Windows will always be the only platform used or accepted. Now the enterprise world incorporates iOS, Android and Macs.
Also, if you don't make your company's decisions then how would you know if PPT will always be the presentation software used? ;)

This is so true. After 12 years at this desk and still running Office 2003 and XP, I can totally see that there is hope for change. ;) The good news is that I make a great deal of decisions that actually matter to people like you. ;)
 

slapppy

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2008
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Nah, I think it genuinely was very popular during the beta, and will be very popular when it's released. Especially with it being PC-compatible and stuff. Although I won't have a use for it, I can definitely see this being extremely useful in businesses, and this may be a very slow step towards dethroning Microsoft's Office suite.

Not possible to dethrone Microsoft Office Suite. You have no collaboration features. Spreadsheet is pathetic compared to Excel or even Open Office version. Business need powerful business apps. Apple iWork is for small private and home users.
 

nagromme

macrumors G5
May 2, 2002
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1,196
If you started and stopped at Numbers, you're definitely not seeing iWork's strengths. Numbers is bloody useless.

Keynote was a mile ahead of PowerPoint in terms of being able to quickly make attractive presentations though PowerPoint has largely closed the gap though in the last version of Office. Pages is, depending on your specific needs, either better than, or no competition to Word. If you use pages as more of a Publisher substitute, it kills. As a workaday word processor, it is about equal to Word. For heavy duty writing, it lacks all of the features that serious Word users would need. Numbers, as I might have mentioned however, is bloody useless.

Numbers is THE killer app I rely on. So glad someone ditched the Excel rut and made something new for people without prior habits they need to stick to. It does what I need so much better and faster than Excel, with so much less learning curve.

I probably use it, compared to Excel, the same way people you describe might use Pages compared to the full bloat of Word.

The other iWork apps are nice but I rarely touch them.
 

haydn!

macrumors 65816
Nov 10, 2008
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It's a strong move in the right direction for iCloud and Apple, just a shame they're using a five year piece of software to play the game.

Will we ever get a new version of iWork for Mac?
 

charlituna

macrumors G3
Jun 11, 2008
9,636
816
Los Angeles, CA
I got an invite in late July, haven't tried the iWork in iCloud. I'm not comfortable with the cloud computing for work/important documents.

And that's the trick. There will be enough folks that feel that way that Apple will still have plenty of sales for the local apps even with this free.

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Numbers is THE killer app I rely on.

It might be the app you rely on but it is hardly killer.

Now drop in some plug in support to add advanced functions etc and it could be killer. But at this point all three apps need major work to be as powerful as MS has gotten Office to be.
 

WilliamLondon

macrumors 68000
Dec 8, 2006
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Not possible to dethrone Microsoft Office Suite. You have no collaboration features. Spreadsheet is pathetic compared to Excel or even Open Office version. Business need powerful business apps. Apple iWork is for small private and home users.

I disagree, I predict at some point MS Office will be relegated to the power users group (as it should - it's overkill for the vast majority of users), that small number of people who actually use the advanced (and useful to them only) functionality and features available in this (bloated) suite. The rest will begin to use the growing number of free options that import/export MS Office file formats, and I doubt it'll be just small companies - when companies of all sizes start to realise the $$$ they can save from not having to purchase an MS Office license for every single employee, it'll happen and it'll be driven by the CFO and their bean counting colleagues.

Let's face it, office suite functionality is a mature market, what innovations are we really expecting in word processing at this point? Why doesn't this most basic functionality get included with every OS for free, like a calculator and browser? It appears Apple realises this and are moving in that direction - office suites are not the wow of the future but the ho-hum basic stuff we've had for years (and expect). Wouldn't surprise me if the next version of iWork starts getting included with the OS. It won't be iWork that specifically "dethrones" Office, but rather including it as standard with all Apple devices and cloud accounts - the very move will reduce the value of office suite software to nil, where only power users will be able to justify paying for the office suites to get the functionality only they need.
 

HenryDJP

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Nov 25, 2012
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Not possible to dethrone Microsoft Office Suite. You have no collaboration features. Spreadsheet is pathetic compared to Excel or even Open Office version. Business need powerful business apps. Apple iWork is for small private and home users.

Another person not thinking past "Today". The member you replied to said it was a step Towards dethroning Office. I agree with this. There's just not a whole lot about Office anymore that is relevant with today's business needs. Even with Spreadsheets, most docs are transferred via PDF after creation. Compatibility is not as much of an issue anymore so each person no longer needs to be using the same Office program to share docs.

"Powerful Business Apps"? LMAO. There's nothing particularly powerful with MS Office. It's just become the defacto standard so anything else that comes along appears inferior because it's the underdog. If businesses needed powerful business apps they wouldn't be using Powerpoint, they would be using Keynote because it kicks the holy crap out of that weak a$$ PPT.

Also try and think ahead future-wise rather than being in "Today". You sound like there's no room for improvement with Numbers and iWork will never be used for business.
The world is moving to online computing and it makes things much easier for everyone to work with multiple platforms.

If I didn't know any better it sounds like you don't want innovation past what Microsoft is offering as if you have some stake in it monopolizing the world. Hmm.;)

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I don't like this iWork on iCloud beta version. It's not good.

Excellent post! Too bad it doesn't give any reasons why iWork is not good. :rolleyes:
 
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zedsdead

macrumors 68040
Jun 20, 2007
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Yes it is. Aren't as many of the templates and a few of the features like linked test boxes are missing yes, but the basics are there

That said, I agree that they need more feature parity between the two. And both need the ability to add more templates via plug in support, things like endnote etc as well. All the iwork and iLife apps do, both sides

You are wrong. It is ONLY word processing based. Hence the reason you have to duplicate documents when opening them on iOS. That and sections don't work either. Hell, you can't even create a landscape document on iOS.

It's severally crippled.

Same thing goes for aspect ratios, builds and transitions in Keynote.

If Apple was serious they would have fully functional apps...no one doing serious work is creating documents in iWork for iOS. It's not there yet. Hopefully the Mac app stays functional.

I use iWork extensively for both of my jobs (Mac versions of course). iOS iWork pales in comparison.
 
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keysofanxiety

macrumors G3
Nov 23, 2011
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Not possible to dethrone Microsoft Office Suite. You have no collaboration features. Spreadsheet is pathetic compared to Excel or even Open Office version. Business need powerful business apps. Apple iWork is for small private and home users.

Hence why I said: 'very slow step'; and I'm not at all implying that Apple are the ones to do it. However I have no doubt Office will eventually be dethroned -- might take 10, 20, 30 years, but it'll happen eventually.
 

ValSalva

macrumors 68040
Jun 26, 2009
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Burpelson AFB
Apple overwhelmed in the cloud again :( This is the only reason I can see why the rumors the iPhone 5C might not have Siri would turn out to be true. The infrastructure just isn't there yet. The question is: will it ever be?
 

Truffy

macrumors 6502a
that influx apparently pushing the service's current limits
This and the recent Amazon service drop are why I wouldn't trust cloud workflows. I may be a luddite, but at least I'm not at the mercy of server outage.

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wow, is it because its free while the apps for mac and iOS are not????
Never underestimate the cheapness of the masses! :D

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It might be the app you rely on but it is hardly killer.

Now drop in some plug in support to add advanced functions etc and it could be killer. But at this point all three apps need major work to be as powerful as MS has gotten Office to be.
I agree. MSO is bloated and bloody horrible to use, especially graphs in Excel, but Numbers simply cannot touch Excel for what I need (scientific/statistical analysis).
 

Crazie

macrumors newbie
Dec 9, 2010
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Another person not thinking past "Today". The member you replied to said it was a step Towards dethroning Office. I agree with this. There's just not a whole lot about Office anymore that is relevant with today's business needs. Even with Spreadsheets, most docs are transferred via PDF after creation. Compatibility is not as much of an issue anymore so each person no longer needs to be using the same Office program to share docs.

"Powerful Business Apps"? LMAO. There's nothing particularly powerful with MS Office. It's just become the defacto standard so anything else that comes along appears inferior because it's the underdog. If businesses needed powerful business apps they wouldn't be using Powerpoint, they would be using Keynote because it kicks the holy crap out of that weak a$$ PPT.

Also try and think ahead future-wise rather than being in "Today". You sound like there's no room for improvement with Numbers and iWork will never be used for business.
The world is moving to online computing and it makes things much easier for everyone to work with multiple platforms.

If I didn't know any better it sounds like you don't want innovation past what Microsoft is offering as if you have some stake in it monopolizing the world. Hmm.;)

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Excellent post! Too bad it doesn't give any reasons why iWork is not good. :rolleyes:

If you don't think Office is powerful, then I question whether or not you've seen it really put through it's paces. What Microsoft did that was smart, was get gov't contracts. If you have those, you have sustainable income for the foreseeable future (Unless you pull a move like RIM, which MS isn't doing).

What a lot of these gov't and other corporations use, that may not be used by the everyday joe, is VBA. MS has VBA inside all three powerhouse office programs, plus Access. Nothing on any competitor even comes close to doing what VBA allows you to do with Office.

For instance, I can write code in VBA on Powerpoint that pulls my company's financial data from Excel charts on my hard drive, runs a statistical analysis on the data, and presents that data in a Powerpoint slide show. If I write that code once, I can run it year after year after year, and all I have to do is point to a new data file.

That's just an example, but it is EXACTLY how some corporations are so entrenched with Office that you'll never get them away from it....unless MS simply stops adding features to Office.

The kicker, is that the people working for these companies don't necessarily get Office because it's compatible, they get it because it's the same. People in general have a hard time with change, when what they've been using works. I don't think that applies to people who frequent places like this, but we tend to be the tech savy folk who dabble in change for the fun of it.

I haven't had to use any of these features for my own personal use, so there is a point to be made there, but that's why MS has Office 365. While it isn't free, it's a cheap way (compared to standard Office) for normal consumers to keep using the same product at home that they have at work.

I don't see iWork every taking business from Office in the big picture, at least not until these big corporations start writing new code or doing business in a different manner. That being said, I still hope they make a good run at it, because competition makes us (the end user) the benefactor.
 

alexkywalker

macrumors member
Mar 11, 2008
46
0
St. Louis, MO
Really?

This has been Apple's biggest issue with cloud services since day 1: capacity.

For some reason, they just can't seem to get it right... come on guys!

:(
 

r3m1

macrumors regular
Apr 7, 2012
220
120
Earth
This has been Apple's biggest issue with cloud services since day 1: capacity.

For some reason, they just can't seem to get it right... come on guys!

:(

Thats why with Apple - always have a back-up! (Google docs, Office365)

The services Apple provides are really for SOHO delivered at best effort.
 

TheHateMachine

macrumors 6502a
Sep 18, 2012
846
1,354
Another person not thinking past "Today". The member you replied to said it was a step Towards dethroning Office. I agree with this. There's just not a whole lot about Office anymore that is relevant with today's business needs. Even with Spreadsheets, most docs are transferred via PDF after creation. Compatibility is not as much of an issue anymore so each person no longer needs to be using the same Office program to share docs.

"Powerful Business Apps"? LMAO. There's nothing particularly powerful with MS Office. It's just become the defacto standard so anything else that comes along appears inferior because it's the underdog. If businesses needed powerful business apps they wouldn't be using Powerpoint, they would be using Keynote because it kicks the holy crap out of that weak a$$ PPT.

Also try and think ahead future-wise rather than being in "Today". You sound like there's no room for improvement with Numbers and iWork will never be used for business.
The world is moving to online computing and it makes things much easier for everyone to work with multiple platforms.

If I didn't know any better it sounds like you don't want innovation past what Microsoft is offering as if you have some stake in it monopolizing the world. Hmm.;)

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Excellent post! Too bad it doesn't give any reasons why iWork is not good. :rolleyes:

Until another suite appears that has the power of VBA, Access and the ability for documents to both seek data and communicate between themselves with scripting, MSO is going to stay at the top.

I've worked for several large corporations now and not once have I seen this PDF conversion you are speaking of. People email around excel, word docs and mdb front ends or use corporate storage to move stuff around.

Your "nothing particularly powerful with office" comment is truly ignorant. Go read up on Access and VBA and come back to me after you have educated yourself a bit.
 

WMD

macrumors regular
Jun 12, 2013
175
7
Florida, USA
Since you seem to understand Google motives better than I
The only thing I really understand in this case is that they are using hardware to push software - and they aren't unique in that regard. Amazon does the same thing with the Kindle.


would you mind answering this hardly related question: Why has Google branched away from WebKit? It sounds like a move I would expect from Microsoft, as part of their typical "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" tactic for dealing with open source software and standards. It seems Google would rather you stopped using anything besides Chrome, but what does it gain them? Will they suddenly start integrating banner ads directly in Chrome?
This, I can't say I know. It's all about software. The only thing I can think of is they want to develop some optimizations for their web apps into Chrome, and don't want other browsers to have it (ie, Docs works best in Chrome)...but that's a bit of a stretch. After all, if you can use Docs, etc. in any browser, the speed you see it at is up to you, as long as your eyes are there (and Chrome doesn't cost users anything, either).
 

ashdelacroix

macrumors regular
Jan 1, 2013
206
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Nice start. Links to spreadsheets coming soon.

iWork for iCloud is a good start. I can still access the entire suite, so they evidently aren't quite as overwhelmed as this (temporary?) notice implies.

For the vast majority of people, I think the iWork suite works really well in both desktop and web incarnations.

Sure, it doesn't have the advanced features like bibliographic and statistical analysis tools you can find in Word and Excel respectively, but I guess most people can do much of what they need to in Pages and Numbers without requiring any other apps -- though there's always room to use other apps for specialised work on the Mac or iPhone.

I like the way iWork streamlines features to what most people need much of the time, but of course it would be a boon for professional and "power" users to have access to plugins that extend the native functionality of the iWork apps.

That would introduce another problem, though: allowing you to seamlessly access, edit and share iWork documents on the web, through the iOS apps and on the desktop. Difficult to imagine third parties being permitted to modify native functionality across all platforms.

As to sharing links to Numbers spreadsheets to catch up with Google Drive spreadsheets, well I found this help note on the Numbers web app that indicates at least some basic sharing is upcoming:


Coming soon in Numbers for iCloud beta
This release of Numbers for iCloud is a beta version. Therefore, certain features aren’t yet supported, including (but not limited to) the following:

Sending a link to a spreadsheet

Version history

Editing charts

Support for additional browsers

Printing
 
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