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HoopjeEllende

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philipma1957

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HoopjeEllende said:
Hello there. I have also a question concerning 16000 mhz memory. I have an i5 Mac Mini late 2012 which i will be upgrading with 2 sticks of this: https://maxict.nl/product/3530904/crucial-ct51264bf160bj-pc3-12800-4gb
My dad has an i5 Mac Mini mid 2011 with the basic 2 gigs from Apple. Can I put my basic 4 gigs from my mac into the mac of my dad?

I saw the specs were different:
2012: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5475
2011: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4805

Thanks for your help!
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most likely it will work at 1333 but it will work. The cost is free to test it out.
 
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opinio

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HoopjeEllende said:
Hello there. I have also a question concerning 1600 mhz memory. I have an i5 Mac Mini late 2012 which i will be upgrading with 2 sticks of this: https://maxict.nl/product/3530904/crucial-ct51264bf160bj-pc3-12800-4gb
My dad has an i5 Mac Mini mid 2011 with the basic 2 gigs from Apple. Can I put my basic 4 gigs from my mac into the mac of my dad?

I saw the specs were different:
2012: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5475
2011: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4805

Thanks for your help!
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The 4GB of OEM 1600MHz RAM (elpida) that came with my late 2012 2.6GHz Quad (added 16GB Corsair Vengeance instead) did not work when I put it in a 2011 i5 dual. I can't remember exactly what happened but it would not even boot (black screen) and gave a beeping sound from memory. So I put 4GB of 1333MHz back in and it was fine. I am not sure if it was the 1600MHz or the RAM it self but it did not work.

The i5 I am talking about is the 2011 2.5GHz with the AMD Radeon HD 6630M 256 MB GPU.

Having said that, I have run 1600MHz ram in a 2011 i7 2.0GHz Quad with no problems.
 
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opinio said:
The 4GB of OEM 1600MHz RAM (elpida) that came with my late 2012 2.6GHz Quad (added 16GB Corsair Vengeance instead) did not work when I put it in a 2011 i5 dual. I can't remember exactly what happened but it would not even boot (black screen) and gave a beeping sound from memory. So I put 4GB of 1333MHz back in and it was fine. I am not sure if it was the 1600MHz or the RAM it self but it did not work.

Having said that, I have run 1600MHz ram in a 2011 i7 2.0GHz Quad with no problems.
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It is probably the stock RAM, the 2011 models run fine on 1600MHz Kingston HyperX Plug'n'Play while the 2012/2013 (and even this late-2011 MBP) models will run on the new 16GB 1866MHz kit.
 
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yeah there are always exceptions and a ram may say f you and not work.

but 2011 and 2012 minis have been very forgiving with most any ram.

the 2010 mini was very difficult that was last of the c2d cpu's .

and as some one mentioned above kingston plug n play work very well in mac minis. I have upgraded hundreds of minis from 2006 to 2012 models.

so it is not a one of case it is more like a 25-50 sample size with every model since 2007
 
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mcarling

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Rather than starting a new thread, I'll note that the 4GB option no longer exists for the iMac, joining the rMBP (the soon-to-be-discontinued Ivy Bridge cMBP still has a 4GB option). The Haswell MBAs still have a 4GB option in both the 11" and 13" sizes. I wonder whether or not Apple will offer 4GB Haswell minis.
 
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philipma1957

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mcarling said:
Rather than starting a new thread, I'll note that the 4GB option no longer exists for the iMac, joining the rMBP (the soon-to-be-discontinued Ivy Bridge cMBP still has a 4GB option). The Haswell MBAs still have a 4GB option in both the 11" and 13" sizes. I wonder whether or not Apple will offer 4GB Haswell minis.
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they may make minis fully locked down. soldered ram. cpu and pcie /ssd. 0 internal upgrades. if not this year / model for sure the next model
 
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philipma1957 said:
they may make minis fully locked down. soldered ram. cpu and pcie /ssd. 0 internal upgrades. if not this year / model for sure the next model
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I expect the Mac mini to get soldered DRAM with the next change of form factor, perhaps this year and perhaps adopting the form factor of the Airport Extreme / Time Capsule.
 
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mvmanolov

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philipma1957 said:
they may make minis fully locked down. soldered ram. cpu and pcie /ssd. 0 internal upgrades. if not this year / model for sure the next model
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It does not make sense for Apple to do that, particularly given the fact that mnis are used by many small business and cloud farming...
 
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mvmanolov said:
It does not make sense for Apple to do that, particularly given the fact that mnis are used by many small business and cloud farming...
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solder in 8gb ram and make the pcie ssd stock in 120 240 and 480gb sizes.

seal that baby up tight. you want more storage add a nas.

offer 2 cpus only 8gb ram and 3 pcie choices . remember the pcie would help a lot with page outs.

this is not want I want but it is what they may do.
 
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philipma1957 said:
solder in 8gb ram and make the pcie ssd stock in 120 240 and 480gb sizes.

seal that baby up tight. you want more storage add a nas.

offer 2 cpus only 8gb ram and 3 pcie choices . remember the pcie would help a lot with page outs.

this is not want I want but it is what they may do.
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Yeah, i can see it but still like to disagree.
1) 8gig is not always enough - otherwise why even offer 16 gig bto
2) as a small business owner you'd want to be able to start off with something affordable and upgrade as the business grows
3) the mini isnt exactly their best seller and in a way it allows traditional pc users to get in on the action and hopefuly convert (so why up the initial cost by with SSD and 8 gig soldered ram?
4) why solder the ram (change production process - expensive) - if it is to change form factor to maintain/promote interest in purchasing - that's not necessary as MBPs have demonstrated so vividly...
5) pcie may help with page outs but there are a number of application that do need brute force of ram still... so i'd suspect for many 8gig just simply wont cut it.
6) given its a desktop some of us still would want to be able to play at least some games on it (despite the relatively crappy gnu (though that may change if they put iris pro and a dedicated one again).
7) and last there is the simple issue of maintenance sometimes ram craps out, in a server environment you want to be able to swap it
8) i really really really dont want them to do that so i'm going to think of any and every possible argument against yours (despite some of those being somewhat weak at best) :D
 
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philipma1957

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mvmanolov said:
Yeah, i can see it but still like to disagree.
1) 8gig is not always enough - otherwise why even offer 16 gig bto
2) as a small business owner you'd want to be able to start off with something affordable and upgrade as the business grows
3) the mini isnt exactly their best seller and in a way it allows traditional pc users to get in on the action and hopefuly convert (so why up the initial cost by with SSD and 8 gig soldered ram?
4) why solder the ram (change production process - expensive) - if it is to change form factor to maintain/promote interest in purchasing - that's not necessary as MBPs have demonstrated so vividly...
5) pcie may help with page outs but there are a number of application that do need brute force of ram still... so i'd suspect for many 8gig just simply wont cut it.
6) given its a desktop some of us still would want to be able to play at least some games on it (despite the relatively crappy gnu (though that may change if they put iris pro and a dedicated one again).
7) and last there is the simple issue of maintenance sometimes ram craps out, in a server environment you want to be able to swap it
8) i really really really dont want them to do that so i'm going to think of any and every possible argument against yours (despite some of those being somewhat weak at best) :D
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I so like # 8 that I hope you are correct.!
 
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