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Count Blah

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marketshare ...shmarket share.

In the end only profit counts.

So, by selling less (small market share) but maximizing profits, who does better?.

You do realize that once the marketshare reaches a certain floor, and the android experience gets a bit better, developers could easily jump ship, just like what happened in the PC space.
 

lobeyonekenobi

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You do realize that once the marketshare reaches a certain floor, and the android experience gets a bit better, developers could easily jump ship, just like what happened in the PC space.

You may be right, who knows. The alternate route Apple seem to be taking is new Avenues (iTV, iWatch specualtion at this point) or some other route, what do you suggest they do??

It is not in Apples nature to go for the lower end, why go against everything you believe in, would you abandon your ideals and beliefs jusy because someone else said you should.

Market share is going to shrink eventually once others enter the equation. On the one hand you have Apple (one company) against possibly hundreds (Android) market share is going to shrink it's inevitable, Apple just have to keep evolving and not stand still, not abandon their integrity.
 

Klae17

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ahhh!... we consumers are heroes! more $2usd/hour jobs to better this world and help the chinese. Now, chop-chop... Hurry! I need my new iCrap with next day shipping, or else thanksgiving will be a bore!!!

[/sarcasm]

Eh. Until we can live on $2 wages then companies will move back to America.
 

WilliamBateman

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Apple, the 5c is a bust. Never offer a poverty product to compete with a flag ship again.

The "C" model will become the standard 4 inch model next year. The 6 will have a larger display. So if you still want a 4 inch iPhone next year, you are buying a C model.
 

aiom

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marketshare ...shmarket share.

In the end only profit counts.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richkarlgaard/2012/12/10/steve-jobs-warns-apple-dont-be-greedy/

Steve Jobs :They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.

http://www.geekwire.com/2013/bum-rap-ballmer-microsoft-ceo-defends-profit-growth-tenure/

Short term profits are easy to measure. Apple's profits are down year over year (though still large), while Google's are up. And Microsoft is still making a ton of cash but they are increasingly irrelevant. They are like Nintendo in their Wii days, blissfully unaware of the trends surrounding them.

So who does profit matter to? What does it mean that Microsoft makes a lot of profit? No one cares about Microsoft.

Of course every company wants more profit, but in my mind, Google is interested in making money by tracking and advertising to us so that it can further its primary goal of goofing off on things that can change the world.

Apple wants to create quality experiences that are world class and ahead of the times so they can make more money and develop more beautiful things that do wonderful things.

I don't think with Tim Cook and the 5c Apple is slowly going down the road of irrelevancy. They are doing better than ever in Japan and the US, and as the rest of the world gets richer, MAYBE they will follow along with Apple. Or maybe the world will become too used to Android. Or maybe one day, HTML5 web apps will be good enough and the OS won't matter.
 

JLL

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Apr 25, 2003
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You do realize that once the marketshare reaches a certain floor, and the android experience gets a bit better, developers could easily jump ship, just like what happened in the PC space.

But Apple's marketshare isn't falling. Over the years it has been pretty constant in a growing market. And if you look at the total mobile phone market, it's rising.

The marketshare isn't the same from quarter to quarter, but it clearly follows the product cycle of the iPhone.

Perhaps you should read this to get a clearer view on what Android really is.
 

FrozenInferno

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Oct 27, 2013
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When considering Android market share you have to account for the millions of cheap phones out there that nobody buys or uses, often with a no-frills, crappy version of Android installed, that still counts towards their market share. The quantity of Android-based phones doesn't necessarily represent a quality experience across the board. It's the same as Microsoft licensing Windows out to anyone who wants it regardless of the quality of the machine it runs on.

It must be a nightmare for developers trying to write apps for an Android platform when there are hundreds of hardware and software combinations out there to satisfy, instead of a small set of devices and software versions on iOS.

That said, Apple still has to take it seriously and not take it for granted like Blackberry did.
 

Actarus

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Feb 10, 2011
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It's clear you have no idea what Apple's Market is. It's clear you have a mental price point for _your_ phone, and Apple isn't meeting it.

I truly believe that the 5c will get a 'turbo lift' in the Spring, moving the all but the TouchID guts into the 5c Chassis, boosting sales in the summer months as 'this is good enough for me phone, now that it's $100 cheaper.'

It's clear you have a "lot of idea" saying that they will implement Touch ID on the 5C, beeing a selling feature for the 5s and knowing that Apple has NEVER modified any iphone until the next version is released, which in this case will be the iPhone 6.

An to close this thread, speaking to the others saying is not a fail, it's clear that cutting or slowing down the production of an item now means it's a successful item... WOW! They should include that in MBA lessons.
 

JAT

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Dec 31, 2001
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An to close this thread, speaking to the others saying is not a fail, it's clear that cutting or slowing down the production of an item now means it's a successful item... WOW! They should include that in MBA lessons.

Wow!! Did you just close a thread??

:rolleyes:

They do include that in MBA lessons. In fact, they even include it in Economics 101. Course, most people get a C or below in that class.
 

carlgo

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Apple could make a cheap phone just like everyone else and compete on price and specs just fine. Maybe better. That option is always there for them if they feel it is a good idea.
 

carlgo

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Eh. Until we can live on $2 wages then companies will move back to America.

It would cost about $15-$20 more labor-wise for an iPhone made in the US. Not much labor per unit.

The reason for overseas production is to be able to dodge taxes and not have to worry about environmental regulations.
 

gnasher729

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According to this article http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...outsells-the-iphone-5c-three-to-one-in-the-uk

the iPhone 5c is actually a success for Apple - just not in the way that people realise. It is outsold 3:1 by the iPhone 5s, but apparently it takes sales away from the competition. That means all the 5s are phones that Apple would have sold anyway, but the 5c sales are phones sold to customers that would have bought Android phones and not a 5s.

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I wonder if Apple could still make A profit if it manufactured all its hardware in the U.S.!?!?!?

How many iPhones do you think they would manage to build per year?

And how many of its world wide customers would be not the slightest impressed with production in the USA (and not say in the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Australia and so on).
 

osx11

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How many iPhones do you think they would manage to build per year?

And how many of its world wide customers would be not the slightest impressed with production in the USA (and not say in the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Australia and so on).

Your argument makes zero sense.

1. It's not like China just magically became the nation that builds all our technology junk. It was built up gradually over time. Sure Apple can't just switch everything to the US like that, but if you don't start small it's never going to happen.

2. Your second point makes no sense. Right now, 99.9% of Apple's stuff comes from China. No one besides the Chinese are happy with that. What's wrong with producing thins in the US? Does China have a better reputation than the US?

You should think a bit before you write random stuff.
 
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