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Farewell, iPhone 5S

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Merkie said:
Sure, engaging in violence and threatening each other's lives in public is a so much safer and better solution :rolleyes: .
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Thats a juvenile approach at best, and I would hope you understood that before posting.

Firearm ownership/carrying are not violent acts. Nor are they indicative of violent behaviors. It's merely a preparedness akin to a boxer's training. Some believe you should be prepared for the situation you are entering.

When faced with violence, bodily injury or seizure of personal property, some of us simply opt to stand ground. It isn't about being violent, it's about not letting that violence happen to me.
 
EM2013 said:
Was thinking about this the other day, you shouldn't be able to turn off the phone while it is locked or else stuff like this happens & you can't track it
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That wouldn't do much. Thiefs can just as easily pop out the SIM or put the phone into a shielded container or pouch to avoid it being tracked.

Also, IMO protection of your personal data is is more important than being able to track armed robbers. In that regard, it's actually better if the thiefs turn off the phone, because after rebooting the internal data protection is active (i.e. Keychain and sensitive files are still encrypted) and cannot be unlocked without entering the passcode.
 
Glad to hear that you are okay, like what the other guy said this kind of situation can certainly get a lot more uglier than this.

I would have just handed the phone over as well. They are lucky they got somebody with the 5S, if they have gotten a 4S or a 5? That's like 300-400 on the market. I guess some people are just desperate...
 
My phone is the last thing I worry about.

Due to the nature of my business I carry way more cash that a normal person would ever dream of carrying.

I also carry a weapon because well insurance doesn't necessarily cover large cash losses.

The weapon was very useful in helping me keep my cash in my possession on two occasions.
 
Jbenn425 said:
Then you'll have no problem admitting the US has a much higher crime rate per capita than all nations with strict gun control. Also, if this were the US the guy would have been robbed at gun point, not at knife point. I'd choose the knife. But thanks for making all Americans look stupid.
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Dude, why go there? This is not the comments section of world star hip hop. Lets keep the ignorance out and lets try helping people as this forum is intended to do.
 
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Rigby said:
That wouldn't do much. Thiefs can just as easily pop out the SIM or put the phone into a shielded container or pouch to avoid it being tracked.
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Good point. No need to do this in cdma iPhones, but all Apple needs to do is have the iPhone make a copy of the sim and retain that in memory until the iPhone is shut down. The more extreme action the thieves need to do (like carrying a shielded container), the better the deterrent.
 
@OP Sorry that happened, it sucks.

I was in the mall yesterday and saw a strange ATM looking machine with a few quiestionable young men on line. Basically, it is a machine that evaluates/prices your phone and pays you on the spot in cold hard cash!!! This shocked me as anyone can steal a phone and pop it into the machine to get paid with no questions asked within minutes!

Scary stuff, but I try to stay as safe as I can. If somebody has a weapon and asks for my phone I would not think twice about handing it over. It is not worth fighting over.
 
JayLenochiniMac said:
Good point. No need to do this in cdma iPhones, but all Apple needs to do is have the iPhone make a copy of the sim and retain that in memory until the iPhone is shut down.
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Not technically possible. The SIM is specifically designed so that sensitive keys stored in it can not be extracted.

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solo118 said:
I was in the mall yesterday and saw a strange ATM looking machine with a few quiestionable young men on line. Basically, it is a machine that evaluates/prices your phone and pays you on the spot in cold hard cash!!! This shocked me as anyone can steal a phone and pop it into the machine to get paid with no questions asked within minutes!
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Supposedly it's not quite that easy:

http://www.ecoatm.com/law-enforcement/
 
solo118 said:
This shocked me as anyone can steal a phone and pop it into the machine to get paid with no questions asked within minutes!
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Have you tried using one of those machines?

Not anyone can use it, and there are questions asked.

I was going to use it to find out what they would pay for my iPhone 4, but I stopped the process because they wanted too much information from me and all I wanted to know was the value of the phone.

No way was I going to give them my personal information just to get a quote.

Rigby said:
[/COLOR]Supposedly it's not quite that easy:

http://www.ecoatm.com/law-enforcement/
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It's not, just ask anyone who has actually used or tried to use one of those machines.

But to anyone who has no knowledge of the process it looks that easy!
 
xmaseve said:
Glad to see that crime doesn't exist in places and countries that have taken away citizens right to carry...oh, wait.

GOD BLESS THE USA!! Knife, meet Glock.
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God Bless America. Although I don't own a gun, I do enjoy a mugger being put in his or her place.
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Rigby said:
Not technically possible. The SIM is specifically designed so that sensitive keys stored in it can not be extracted.
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Thanks for the clarification. Carriers will have to work with manufacturers to make phenocopying of sim possible while keeping the card itself encrypted. Nanny States congresspeople will put the burden on all involved, not just Apple.
 
AlphaHumanus said:
A bit flamboyant, but sure.


Yep, really. I conceal and carry a firearm. The situation in question, with no guarantee mind you, plays much differently when you draw. Trust me.

I'm no John Rambo, and carrying a pistol doesn't instill any type of false security, or even make me feel safe. I feel prepared. So that one time I stepped off the bus and the guy behind me demanded "everything you've got!", I was. I calmly turned and when he saw what I offered, he was no longer interested. God bless the second amendment. Its about my right to personal protection.
[Guns = Violence] is a weak mentality. In my opinion at least.

OP: Glad you're safe. think of it like this, your new phone, just got newer. :)
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Fact. You're fatally stabbed long before you get a chance to pull your gun out, take the safety off, and fire it. At close range, with a knife already in your face as they demand your phone, your gun is meaningless at that point.
 
AlphaHumanus said:
A bit flamboyant, but sure.


Yep, really. I conceal and carry a firearm. The situation in question, with no guarantee mind you, plays much differently when you draw. Trust me.

I'm no John Rambo, and carrying a pistol doesn't instill any type of false security, or even make me feel safe. I feel prepared. So that one time I stepped off the bus and the guy behind me demanded "everything you've got!", I was. I calmly turned and when he saw what I offered, he was no longer interested. God bless the second amendment. Its about my right to personal protection.
[Guns = Violence] is a weak mentality. In my opinion at least.

OP: Glad you're safe. think of it like this, your new phone, just got newer. :)
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+1! :cool:
 
The problem is that, with a few exceptions (Verizon phones), a thief can just as easily pop-out the SIM and the phone can no longer be tracked. I think doing what Apple has done with Activation-Lock is the best thief deterrent, and while it doesn't necessarily help in getting back a stolen device, it might in the long run lead to thieves choosing to not go through the trouble of stealing an Apple device...
 
Love how this goes from someone getting their iPhone stolen to a debate on crime per capita, gun ownership/control policies and all around internet silliness.

That being said, I support all of the Constitution. Including the first and second amendment. So people are free to do and say as they wish.

Had them not been armed I would have given them the phone, but being that a deadly weapon was present, things might have unfolded differently had it been me being robbed. But I also have a CJ background with some training on repelling knife attacks and SD. All that being said, 3 to 1 odds isn't a situation I or anyone else should be taking lightly. Armed or not. One could end up having a lot worse of a night than just getting your phone stolen. But each situation is different and not all robberies warrant sending someone away with lead poisoning so none of us but the OP can say with absolute certainty what we would have done.

I've had my own experiences and training to give me an idea but I'm withholding any judgement because it wasn't me and that's not what I do.

Glad to see that you're ok though. Aside from your phone getting stolen I'd say the situation played out well and given the information I'd say you did the right thing.
 
pmontanarella said:
I think doing what Apple has done with Activation-Lock is the best thief deterrent, and while it doesn't necessarily help in getting back a stolen device, it might in the long run lead to thieves choosing to not go through the trouble of stealing an Apple device...
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As long as people buy activation-locked iPhones on ebay for $300 thieves will continue to go after them.
 
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AlphaHumanus said:
Thats a juvenile approach at best, and I would hope you understood that before posting.

Firearm ownership/carrying are not violent acts. Nor are they indicative of violent behaviors. It's merely a preparedness akin to a boxer's training. Some believe you should be prepared for the situation you are entering.

When faced with violence, bodily injury or seizure of personal property, some of us simply opt to stand ground. It isn't about being violent, it's about not letting that violence happen to me.
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If you think drawing your gun when someone threatens you with a knife to give up your iPhone is a better solution than handing over your iPhone, then you're insane. My European opinion.

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JayLenochiniMac said:
As long as people buy activation-locked iPhones on ebay for $300 thieves will continue to go after them.
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Why do people buy them? What use are they?
 
AlphaHumanus said:
Firearm ownership/carrying are not violent acts. Nor are they indicative of violent behaviors.
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Harvard (maybe you've heard of them) disagrees.

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
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AlphaHumanus said:
[Guns = Violence] is a weak mentality. In my opinion at least.
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It's not a mentality, it's a factual correlation.
 
TC03 said:
Harvard (maybe you've heard of them) disagrees.



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It's not a mentality, it's a factual correlation.
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Harvard weenies arriving at convenient conclusions. The same can be said for car ownership. Correlating automobile ownership with incidence of death, dismemberment and paralysis.
 
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