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Ieo

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As far as cost goes, most of what i've heard is that Apple is planning on bonding a thin layer of sapphire with a cheaper substrate. No sense in going full thickness sapphire if what you're after is the scratch resistance. Wasn't there an article about an apple patent for bonding sapphire to a substrate not too long ago? I'm not seeing it in the rumor roundup.
 

ray6712

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this won't keep them from scratches...it will always happen.

which is true but its the next logical step to attempting a scratch proof display which can help with shattering by reducing fissures and hairline cracks
 

zub3qin

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I don't have issues with scratches. My concern is screen cracking.

Is sapphire less likely to shatter/crack if the iPhone drops to the floor?
 

pythagorasuk

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Jan 3, 2010
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Bonding a hard sapphire layer to glass allows you to use a softer less brittle glass which will be less prone to shattering.
 

spinedoc77

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Jun 11, 2009
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Sapphire display, sick! Apple may be behind the times in terms of software, but they do come up with these useful hardware changes. My watch has a sapphire front and I've had it on my wrist for 10+ years, thru construction projects, etc etc I've abused the crap out of it and not a single scratch. If I got the same longevity out of a cell phone screen I'd be amazed. Good stuff.
 

ray6712

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I don't have issues with scratches. My concern is screen cracking.

Is sapphire less likely to shatter/crack if the iPhone drops to the floor?

i would think if its hard for concrete to scratch it it would be harder to ultimately shatter it although this wouldn't be shatter proof be a definite upgrade
 

Beardy man

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I don't have issues with scratches. My concern is screen cracking.

Is sapphire less likely to shatter/crack if the iPhone drops to the floor?

Can't find the quote at the moment (and it was from Corning anyway) but I read that GG3 is way less likely to shatter than sapphire for any given thickness. Sapphire may well be "tougher" than GG3 if you're comparing scratch resistance, but listen to what isn't said in the claims. Shatter-proofing is more important to me as I could then happily get rid of this case on my iPhone and use it as Jobs intended it to be used ;-)
 

ray6712

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only reason they are doing it is for the selling point... "only smartphone with sapphire display!"


that's a great selling point though and doesn't every manufacturer do this sell products based on it's merits.

also this is very innovative from apple attempting to make a better screen surface and backing it with it's own cash
 

elTylerr

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Isn't the glass cover on the iPhone 5s thumbprint scanner Sapphire?...
Super strong screens on the iPhone or other products would be perfect, scratches are awful!
 

Terrin

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Personally I don't really care about scratches, as I have only scratched the glass on my iPhone noticeably once in 5 years. And it was the back of an iPhone 5.

Rather I want more impact resistance. The sales guy said it should be more shatter resistant, but I am not sure that is true...

I have read sapphire is more susceptible to shattering from a hard impact than gorilla glass
 

3282868

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I'm going to guess it's excellent, just like glass. However they were talking about bonding 20 micron sheets of it to a glass base (for phone use), so the real question is how does having a sapphire coating affect the recyclability of a glass screen? It might be just a contaminant at that point.

Of course an Apple watch crystal could easily be pure sapphire.

Yes, thanks, I should have been more clear in my question as someone sarcastically noted it's glass. My question pertained to the sapphire process, being an extremely durable material, I'm certain it would require more energy to recycle than common glass.

Thanks for the answer, and for understanding my question. :)
 

Crzyrio

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Jul 6, 2010
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Apple and GT Advanced are said to be aiming to take the Mesa, Arizona plant live by February in order to begin immediate production of a "critical new sub-component" for iOS devices.


The is the most interesting part to me. February seems awfully early for them to follow their regular September iPhone release. Something new with a sapphire display coming in June?
 

starnox

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Of course it's gonna be for those Sapphire Cinema Displays we've all been waiting for.
 

kdarling

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My watch has a sapphire front and I've had it on my wrist for 10+ years, thru construction projects, etc etc I've abused the crap out of it and not a single scratch. If I got the same longevity out of a cell phone screen I'd be amazed.

If you kept using the same smartphone for 10+ years, we'd all be amazed :)

In real life, most smartphones are only used for a few years at most. What would be nice and green, is if the screen sapphire could be traded in to be reused or recycled as seed material.

only reason they are doing it is for the selling point... "only smartphone with sapphire display!"

More like "only affordable smartphone with a sapphire display!", since Vertu already uses sapphire for their ~$10,000 Android phones.
 

newagemac

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Mar 31, 2010
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I have read sapphire is more susceptible to shattering from a hard impact than gorilla glass

You read wrong then. Sapphire is less prone to shattering than gorilla glass. The number one problem with gorilla glass is that it is susceptible to tiny hairline scratches. When you drop your phone, the glass then shatters along these tiny fissures because of the weakened state of the substrate. By reducing scratches you in turn reduce cracking and shattering.
 

ray6712

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The is the most interesting part to me. February seems awfully early for them to follow their regular September iPhone release. Something new with a sapphire display coming in June?

i was thinking the same thing i mean you don't need 100 million displays all at once it may be coming earlier than usual hopefully
 

HiRez

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Jan 6, 2004
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Don't worry, the financial press will find a way to spin this as a negative. Just waiting for the headline "Apple iPhone With Sapphire Display Susceptible to Scratching From Diamond Rings".
 

imageWIS

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Mar 17, 2009
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What's the recyclability factor on sapphire?

*Yes, I am aware it is glass, and glass is recyclable. I assumed the general MacRumors commentator was aware of this fact, however for those who sarcastically responded allow me to rephrase.

The sapphire process used in these rumored displays may require more energy to recycle the material depending on how the sapphire is truly implemented (either as a coating, shield, etc.). As these are rumors, my question was purely hypothetical and assumed readers would know that glass is a recyclable material.

Thank you :)

Actually, synthetic sapphire isn't glass, it's made out of aluminum powder.

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Don't worry, the financial press will find a way to spin this as a negative. Just waiting for the headline "Apple iPhone With Sapphire Display Susceptible to Scratching From Diamond Rings".

Unlike Harry Winston, most of us don;t carry a diamond in our pocket.

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I have read sapphire is more susceptible to shattering from a hard impact than gorilla glass

You can't win them all. Maybe apple will use some sort of layered version of sapphire in order to mitigate shattering?
 

HiRez

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Wonder what affect going Sapphire will have on glare over Gorilla Glass?

I'm not sure how it compares to gorilla glass, but it is likely to be highly reflective, as sapphire is more reflective than standard glass. Gorilla Glass has a refractive index of ~1.5, sapphire is ~1.8, so it is likely more reflective, given an equal level of polishing. This could be reduced with coatings, but then you are losing the advantage of scratch resistance (you could coat the inner side safely, but it's the outer surface that generally has the majority of the noticeable glare). Another possibility to reduce glare is slightly curving the screen. On the plus side, sapphire has excellent optical clarity if you're looking straight through it.
 

inscrewtable

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Oct 9, 2010
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I see many more cracked/shattered iPhone screens than I do scratched ones...

That's because a cracked screen is easy to spot from a distance where as you'd need to have someone's phone in your physical possession in order to examine it for scratches.
 

Four oF NINE

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I'm not sure how it compares to gorilla glass, but it is likely to be highly reflective, as sapphire is more reflective than standard glass. Gorilla Glass has a refractive index of ~1.5, sapphire is ~1.8, so it is likely more reflective, given an equal level of polishing. This could be reduced with coatings, but then you are losing the advantage of scratch resistance (you could coat the inner side safely, but it's the outer surface that generally has the majority of the noticeable glare). Another possibility to reduce glare is slightly curving the screen. On the plus side, sapphire has excellent optical clarity if you're looking straight through it.

I doubt a curved screen would be advantageous here. Do you prefer an old curved screen CRT over a flat panel display?
 
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