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Old Mar 23, 2014, 08:52 PM   #26
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Oh...Comcast. Well then.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 08:53 PM   #27
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with the Apple TV receiving "special treatment" from Comcast when connected to its cable network to ensure that it would bypass congestion on the Internet for optimal streaming.
Isn't this a net neutrality issue?
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 08:55 PM   #28
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I'm not sure I like the direction this is taking. We're supposed to be bypassing things like Comcast and connect directly with the media creators.

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The one thing everyone seems to overlook is Comcast is not only a service provider, but a media creator as well. They are a telecommunications and media conglomerate. They either own or have interest in NBCUniversal, E!, Sprout, Golf Channel, and others. Of import, NBCUniversal encompasses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBCUniversal (too much to list).

Suffice it to say, as much as some would like Comcast and other service providers to go away, the likelihood isn't there any time soon.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 08:56 PM   #29
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What are you talking about? Verizon has FIOS and that is 100 x better then any ATT network. lol Both companies made about 128bill last year.
AT&T was the first cell phone to get the iPhone because they bought Cingular. Verizon originally told Apple to take a hike with the iPhone until they saw the long lines at AT&T.

Now TimeWarner cable was in talks with Apple about iTV. Comcast is buying TimeWarner and is now in talks with Apple. Verizon may be left out again. They bought some technology from Intel.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 08:57 PM   #30
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I'm not sure I like the direction this is taking. We're supposed to be bypassing things like Comcast and connect directly with the media creators.

With such deals taking place, Apple are giving more strength to content providers which are the useless middlemen of the 21st century.

Can you imagine making deals with Sony so that iTunes can connect to SonyMusic servers instead of selling the music files directly to you? That's what Apple are doing with the TV providers if this is true.

It's going to get messy, especially for international customers and probably even within big countries like the USA and Canada where exclusive deals are done by states/provinces or even counties/regions.
We all want the cable companies to suffer and yet still die a quick death but we have to be realistic. We're not getting a la carte content everywhere for $49.99. If Apple can disguise the terrible cable box UI, give live, dvr and iTunes content all in one interface, and not increase the overall cable bill by too much, they've already done what no one else could do. I'm willing to pay the the same or more for an Apple cable experience. I think cord cutters will never go back. Too much pride and possibly savings.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:03 PM   #31
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Done! Okay well, not the newest newest movies, but newer ones!
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:04 PM   #32
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Doesn't do much for me. I depend on Charter for internet & they block anything that competes.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:06 PM   #33
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Doesn't do much for me. I depend on Charter for internet & they block anything that competes.
So you at least understand the general beef we have with Comcast, then? :-)
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:07 PM   #34
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Ew, everything about this seems like a bad idea. I guess I can withhold judgement but this just seems like it would be bad for consumers.

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We all want the cable companies to suffer and yet still die a quick death but we have to be realistic. We're not getting a la carte content everywhere for $49.99. If Apple can disguise the terrible cable box UI, give live, dvr and iTunes content all in one interface, and not increase the overall cable bill by too much, they've already done what no one else could do. I'm willing to pay the the same or more for an Apple cable experience. I think cord cutters will never go back. Too much pride and possibly savings.
Why can't they just create a box like Tivo? Tivo doesn't have preferential treatment and works just fine. In fact, you're Cable bill is likely to go down using a Tivo as you're no longer paying the cable company for a box rental or DVR service.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:08 PM   #35
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This is progress? No thank you. The whole point of AppleTV (at least for me) is to NOT have cable. I'm a cord cutter. What's the use if the cable company is still in play? Forget it. I'd like to see cable television go out of business some day!
Unfortunately, we still need our broadband somehow…..
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:08 PM   #36
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I'd be happy to get rid of the cable box. I'd hang the TV on the wall to save space, but I'd still have to do something with that monster cable box from 1995. If it's all in an Apple TV, it's a lot easier to deal with.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:09 PM   #37
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Noooooooooo!

Comcast must die!
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:14 PM   #38
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Get it going

Let's get this going.

You have to jump in somewhere and start to innovate. Apple needs a leap in the interface of the current Apple TV. It needs to work better, faster, and less clunky than typing user names and passwords with a remote.

Yes, linking Apple TV to games, apps and other channels could be really cool.

I'd rather buy my cable service from apple than directly to time warner / comcast.

The interface has to be groundbreaking like a click wheel or mouse. It has to be revolutionary in ease compared to changing channels with a basic remote...easier to record and save recordings...it has to make using your tv more fun and logical than ever before in history. That is the challenge.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:15 PM   #39
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Seeing how Comcast has started placing 300GB data caps on customers, I don't see this coming to fruition, unless the cap is raised or eliminated.
If I recall correctly, streaming comcast content such as on demand doesn't count against that cap. So this way Comcast Apple TV owners would not blow out their data cap limits.

And replacing those God awful cable boxes with an Apple TV would be a godsend.
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This is progress? No thank you. The whole point of AppleTV (at least for me) is to NOT have cable. I'm a cord cutter. What's the use if the cable company is still in play? Forget it. I'd like to see cable television go out of business some day!
How do you get content delivered to your Apple TV?
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:19 PM   #41
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Apple and Comcast are absolute opposites. I can't imagine them ever collaborating on anything without Comcast completely screwing it up.
Comcast just made a deal to buy out Time Warner Cable, making it the largest near-monopoly cable provider in the USA. Apple would be stupid to ignore them.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:21 PM   #42
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Apple and Comcast are absolute opposites. I can't imagine them ever collaborating on anything without Comcast completely screwing it up.
Well, they did allegedly collaborate on an employee anti-poaching agreement, and that worked out pretty well...oh wait
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:21 PM   #43
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You have to jump in somewhere and start to innovate. Apple needs a leap in the interface of the current Apple TV. It needs to work better, faster, and less clunky than typing user names and passwords with a remote.
That's what bluetooth keyboards are for.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:27 PM   #44
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Apple would be stupid to ignore them.
The U.S. Department of Justice and the FTC would also be stupid to ignore them, as it is clearly an anti-competitive arrangement for the same company to control so much of the content delivery platform along with the content being delivered.

What is "stupid" is going along with Comcast's BS. Of towing the status quo instead of shaking up the industry.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:35 PM   #45
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Sounds like what I do with my Roku's in our bedrooms with the TWC app.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:43 PM   #46
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Comcast provides Internet.

I'm not sure I understand everyone's complaints.

I have Comcast for my Internet but I do not have cable with them.

If this deal happens, it sounds like even if Internet is slow, they are going to give them a separate "flow" of bandwidth that will provide a higher quality streaming experience on my AppleTV.

You're assuming Comcast will get its way and force us to subscribe to their TV service. Why aren't you assuming that Apple will get it's way and not require you to purchase the Comcast service? Does Apple need Comcast or does Comcast want Apple? If Comcast's services through Apple's box is a fee, couldn't it be an optional fee?

Doesn't it seem more likely that Apple will want their box with users having the option to subscribe to Comcast from Apple's superior interface ("they broke the code") with Comcast getting a subscriber and Apple getting a cut? (And Comcast not needed to supply the box)

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Guess I should hold off buying the HDHomerun to create my own pvr. Sounds like this would work better. Hope it's soon.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:54 PM   #48
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NetNeutrality

And now we all know what the fight for Network Neutrality was all about...

In the 19th century the railway barons in this country were defeated and required to treat networks as equal-access, with no preferentially-treated service providers allowed. Comcast has actively fought this principle when it comes to the Internet. And now we see the results.

...admins, you guys gonna reclassify this thread as politically contentious?
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:55 PM   #49
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That's what bluetooth keyboards are for.
Or remote apps on iPhones, iPads or iPod touches; they've worked as a keyboard for longer than keyboards have!

Apple will need to do a AppleTV remote for Android and BlackBerry...

I think it's safe to think that's it's time for an interface update.

It's also safe to stop referencing the "hobby" quote...

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Old Mar 23, 2014, 09:57 PM   #50
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I'm not sure I understand everyone's complaints.

I have Comcast for my Internet but I do not have cable with them.

If this deal happens, it sounds like even if Internet is slow, they are going to give them a separate "flow" of bandwidth that will provide a higher quality streaming experience on my AppleTV.

You're assuming Comcast will get its way and force us to subscribe to their TV service. Why aren't you assuming that Apple will get it's way and not require you to purchase the Comcast service? Does Apple need Comcast or does Comcast want Apple? If Comcast's services through Apple's box is a fee, couldn't it be an optional fee?

Doesn't it seem more likely that Apple will want their box with users having the option to subscribe to Comcast from Apple's superior interface ("they broke the code") with Comcast getting a subscriber and Apple getting a cut? (And Comcast not needed to supply the box)

Gary

Well if the internet is slow, the congestion is probably happening before the stream hits Comcast. The last mile is likely to be less congested than other parts of the internet.

What happens if Comcast declines to pay Apple a share of the subscription revenue? Is Apple going to prevent users of Comcast from using a cable-card in this hypothetical box? If this is the case, people are less likely to buy Apple's box.
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