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Old Mar 31, 2014, 03:52 PM   #26
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It took research to find out people prefer FREE things?
No EVERYBODY want FREE...as in FREEIUM. I rather pay without in-app.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 03:52 PM   #27
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I miss the old games that cost 99 cents and were not pay to win. Simpler times.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 03:52 PM   #28
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Even with the small sample and biased survey-taker, these numbers are probably correct--reality bears them out.

That said, by their own calculations that means there are about 70 million people with App Store accounts who would rather pay upfront for a game than play an ad supported game. That's not exactly a small user base to target.

Sure, churning out a simple, addictive freemium game that cajoles its players into paying to play is the easy road to riches. So is making cheap, crappy hamburgers and advertising them like crazy. And you're also competing with the "big boys"--you're up against Candy Crush Everything et al. It's like trying to open a new national cheap burger joint--you're going toe-to-toe with McDonalds, Burger King, and several others, who already know how to beat you.

This is proof there's also a very sizable market for quality games that don't treat their players like marks to be bled on an ongoing basis, just like there's plenty of room in the world to open a good restaurant or upscale chain that sells quality food for fair prices to people with taste.

You could also flip it around and say "86% of iOS gamers only game in small fragments of time, so intentionally or unintentionally have very poor value calculations when it comes to paying for a game rather than downloading something free with ads. The other 14% are gamers who spend more time or have better taste."

It's also worth pointing out things like the sketchy, sexed-up, free-to-play (but pay-to-win) MMORPGs whose entire business model is based around a small player base who dump huge sums of money into the game to stay ahead of each other while the vast majority of players pay little or nothing. They're just a more narrowly-targeted, blatant form of the same thing as Clash of Clans and Candy Crush are--basically a casino that gives away the cheap seats in an effort to draw in the gambling addicts.

Personally, the moment I realize that paid add-ons in a game aren't just there for people who are lazy, but are actually the intent of getting you to install the game, I will immediately stop playing and delete it. So I'm proudly in that 14%--give me a quality, meaty game for $10 (even $20, if it's big enough) that doesn't try to upsell me once I'm playing and I'll gladly pay it.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 03:54 PM   #29
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Thats partly because Apple never provided a way to do a trial of an app.
I'm very reluctant to buy an app without being able to try it before committing to it.

In app purchase has become the alternative.

I personally hate the pay to stop waiting style games that have taken over.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 03:55 PM   #30
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I prefer my games to have no ads and no IAP. I don't mind paying a higher price upfront to get it. Too bad it seems this strategy is not the norm.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 03:57 PM   #31
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As a game developer, I would love to do paid apps as IAP and ads involve additional non-gameplay work, but players have voted with their behaviour. The reasons are many, and understandable. I still buy some games, but I am happy to watch a few ads if I get to play for free. But ads in paid for apps are terrible.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 03:57 PM   #32
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Yet another exhaustive research shows 98% of people like to sleep at nights!
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 03:58 PM   #33
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Mobile apps are too cheap to begin with.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:00 PM   #34
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Was this a headline from The Onion?

In other news people prefer having more money to less money.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:00 PM   #35
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You'd think the iAd team would be on this matter. Truthfully, iAd has been pretty irrelevant or Apple just simply doesn't care about its gaming developers as much
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:05 PM   #36
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i dont spent more than 2,79€ on any app. for some reason anything over 3€ sounds expensive and i heard its not unusual
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:07 PM   #37
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Of course they do, because people are stupid.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:08 PM   #38
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Thats partly because Apple never provided a way to do a trial of an app.
I'm very reluctant to buy an app without being able to try it before committing to it.

In app purchase has become the alternative.

I personally hate the pay to stop waiting style games that have taken over.
Well, who do you think gets it's 30% cut every single time an in app purchase is made?


All I say is R.I.P Real Racing..
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:08 PM   #39
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:10 PM   #40
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And this is why iOS games have quickly become trash
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:11 PM   #41
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Ad Monetization company claims that users prefer free games with ads over paid titles.

Color me shocked.

This is how these companies view their users:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_MKsoyMm8

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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:11 PM   #42
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Pay to win is garbage
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:12 PM   #43
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I hate IAP. I prefer paying upfront, as I've did for for example XCOM: Enemy unknown. It was probably the best $10 I've spent (in addition to Spectromancer) WRT iOS games.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:14 PM   #44
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Christ, which demographic out of the pool of iOS users did they poll?
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:14 PM   #45
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And this is why iOS games have quickly become trash
And Android, remember it's a system used across all mobile platforms.

It sickens me to see console games attempting to adopt this rubbish too, take Forza 5, I think it's 5, on the Xbox One, a nice new next gen title trying to make you buy additional content like tracks and cars! On a game costing nie on the RRP of a full AAA game!
You don't get all the tracks in the game you buy, they cost extra...

Hopefully these games are suffering in sales due to these underhand tactics. It's just pure money grabbing.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:14 PM   #46
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All I say is R.I.P Real Racing..
Yeah, it's a franchise seriously let down by switching to IAP. I've purchased both RR1 and RR2 (both paid-for upfront) but refuse to pay for any kind of consumable(!!!) IAP in RR3. That's definitely a loss for the devs.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:17 PM   #47
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Most people prioritize short-term gains instead of thinking of the big picture. They tend to act on their own immediate needs instead of what is best for their community.

Short-term gain:
* Games: freeeeee
* Goods: low prices

Long-term loss:
* Games: Privacy infringement. Low quality of content. Narrowing of genres.
* Goods: Local job losses. Greater pollution levels. Labor abuse.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:17 PM   #48
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:17 PM   #49
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What I like are when apps are free with Ads, then they have an inApp purchase option to remove the Ads.

I like it because then I get to try the app out "risk free" then basically pay the developer if I like their app.

I really stinks to have a paid app without a trial version, only to find out it isn't what you needed or wanted.
This is my favourite model as well. And not just for games. Plenty of apps could use this model and I'd be more than willing to pay an in app purchase to remove the ads if I like the app.
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Old Mar 31, 2014, 04:18 PM   #50
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And this is why iOS games have quickly become trash
Fortunately, some (very few) quality titles haven't gone the IAP way; for example, XCOM. (The one I've been playing for two weeks on my rMini - it's gorgeous!)
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