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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:38 PM   #26
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Bla Bla Bla.
How about....I dint know......focuse on new/innovative products???
I know I will get smacked by the mods for this BUT how bloody d--b are you?

This is money to charity from products that are essentially painted red. This interferes with innovation???
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:40 PM   #27
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in before the first "Apple is such a cheap bastard and could/should do so much more!!!" whine...
You so weren't
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:40 PM   #28
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Bla Bla Bla.
How about....I dint know......focuse on new/innovative products???
Please don't reproduce.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:41 PM   #29
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The point was that philanthropic activities are not necessarily tied to PR/sales, the latter of which is the goal of any business - they are not expected to be charitable, from an objective standpoint. Sad, yes, but I'm just trying to explain why it is even less of an incentive for Apple to contribute at all.
Oh i get that. I'm not arguing against what you're saying.

Just trying to say from the Moral side of things, They could, and probably SHOULD all be doing more.

I know when I choose where my purchasing power goes, I tend to look more favourably on Companies that have strong ties to social programs and work.

I would rather help a company, or invest in a company that is willing to take a small blip to the bottom line, but assist communities and social problems, encourage social responsibility, and living wages for all employees, Than a company that puts its entire sole purpose to line a few executives pockets and buy them another multi million dollar yacht.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:41 PM   #30
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A bright red 5c would look awesome
Too bad Jony Ive has poor taste.. The current 5c colors are horrible to say the least...

Steve had great taste...
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:43 PM   #31
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Bla Bla Bla.
How about....I dint know......focuse on new/innovative products???
this is one of the most ridiculously self centred, arrogant and braindead statements issued on Mac Rumours in one of the longest times.


I can get by the ignorant fanboys drooling over their Androids or iPhones.

But to say that a charitable donation for a really good cause is in anyway WORSE for the company, and society and should stop doing it so that they can "innovate more"...

nevermind the logical fallacyt that they're not mutually exclusive... you sir, should probably get away from your computer for a while./
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:43 PM   #32
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Than a company that puts its entire sole purpose to line a few executives pockets and buy them another multi million dollar yacht.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:44 PM   #33
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:44 PM   #34
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It's great to see a company donating such a significant portion of their profits to a great cause.

Pause for irony.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:45 PM   #35
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How about giving 10% of their revenue to humanitarian charities
As Bob Geldof found out the hard way, it's not about the amount of money you throw at complex political and social problems. It's more important to carefully manage how the money is used. I assume the reason Apple began working with the Product Red campaign was because of Steve Jobs' respect for Bono.

While any company (and individual) could always contribute more to charities, at least Apple is doing something and also publicizing the cause.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:50 PM   #36
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As Bob Geldof found out the hard way, it's not about the amount of money you throw at complex political and social problems. It's more important to carefully manage how the money is used. I assume the reason Apple began working with the Product Red campaign was because of Steve Jobs' respect for Bono.

While any company (and individual) could always contribute more to charities, at least Apple is doing something and also publicizing the cause.
Agreed 100%. It needs to be given judiciously, but it does need to be given. And it is very good that they advert this: it sets a minimum standard. I just wish they would set it higher.

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Altruistic but unrealistic. For profit companies exist to increase shareholder value (or owner value if not split into shares) and not for philanthropy. I totally agree that it would be very good and beneficial from a human point of view. But it's not reality and would potentially be bad for business, especially if sales declined or tough times approached.
I wonder what would happen if they really did this: what would that do for their public image and business? What would it do for their character and outlook? There is something inside us that turns when we give selflessly and it is a power that is not to be underestimated.
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Does anybody really know how much money Apple or Steve Jobs donated to charity? Some people prefer to do it anonymously.

Unfortunately in this world, if you show a tendency for giving, you get bombarded with requests for money and things can get out of hand. You can't please everyone, so sometime its better to give the impression you're not going to try.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:52 PM   #38
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Bla Bla Bla.
How about....I dint know......focuse on new/innovative products???
I am praying for you. You have made a terribly inconsiderate comment.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 01:54 PM   #39
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Agreed 100%. It needs to be given judiciously, but it does need to be given. And it is very good that they advert this: it sets a minimum standard. I just wish they would set it higher.

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I wonder what would happen if they really did this: what would that do for their public image and business? What would it do for their character and outlook? There is something inside us that turns when we give selflessly and it is a power that is not to be underestimated.
The impact would be minimal. Zuckerberg donated $1Bil in 2013, but FB's corporate image nor his personal image was changed much..

Cook donated $100 M in 2012 and he get gets called out for not being Steve on these very boards whenever a new rumor starts or there is some issues with Apple.

When rich people donate, people just think that since they are rich, they should and it doesn't really help their image in the longer term.

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While I agree, from a corporate standpoint, using your own money to donate to charities is pretty, Anti-capitolistic..

But, when you're a company like Apple, whose raking in Billions in profits a quarter. What would $100 million, once a year really do to the bottom line?

there's a immaterial principle here, if Anything, actually using Apples own money would probably be a great move for their PR and overall sales.

Currently, Apple is NOT known for being the most philanthropic company in the world. Jobs was very often seen as pretty selfish individual who put more behind personal wealth than efforts in charity.

Apple has not yet shaken that image. Add to the fact that hoarding cash, which Apple has been doing for the last few years, with Little changes to dividends or any relation to the stock owners, which overall is not beneficial to the economy,

The LEAST they could do is use some of that extreme amount of hoarded money for some altruistic means, instead of lining the bank accounts of a few dozen people, They might even make some friends out of those on the fence about Apple products

*Damn, my inner socialist is showing
Agree with what you say. The amount of cash Apple has is truly embarrassing. To whom much is given, much is expected. At some point don't they ask, "what the heck do I need this for?" Reinvest it. Donate it. Please don't hoard it.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 02:01 PM   #41
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Agree with what you say. The amount of cash Apple has is truly embarrassing. To whom much is given, much is expected. At some point don't they ask, "what the heck do I need this for?" Reinvest it. Donate it. Please don't hoard it.
They are a publicly traded company, they just can't go around donating because they CAN. As for investing, they are spending more and more, their revenue just going up as well.

Sure, they could buy Whatsapp for 20 B and Oculus for 3B if they wanted to spend, but would that have been in their best interest?

Could they be doing more? Sure. But so can almost every other company and individual.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 02:06 PM   #42
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anodized red iphone 5s (or 6) and iPads would look awesome. I have the red ipod touch, and it is amazing. perfect shade of red, so vibrant in the sun. I want a sports car of that shade of red.
I would definitely buy a red anodized 5s. But I figure the closest we could get is the 5c.
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Could they be doing more? Sure. But so can almost every other company and individual.
I wish they would

I could go on for hours about how the current notion of "Corporate america" is destroying the very fabric of modern society

but then.. thats not for this topic
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 02:14 PM   #44
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I hate to say this, but this is hardly anymore than PR.

70 Million in all those years for Apple is really nothing. In return they get a lot of Press for those things and it makes them seem very nice :P
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Could they be doing more? Sure. But so can almost every other company and individual.
Usually almost every company (and person) could be doing "more". I'm just saying they could be doing *a lot* more. I didn't know about Tim Cooke's $100 million donation in 2012. Thanks for the information as that is tremendously inspiring.

To respond to one of your other comments, yes, you're right that the impact to public image would be minimal. On the other hand, that is hardly the prime motivator and I probably should have left it out of my original comment, much less placed it at the top.

Thanks for the replies!
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It's pretty weird that many people's first reaction to a story about how much money a company has raised for charity is to complain that they should have raised more.

How about instead of complaining you lead by example?
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While I agree, from a corporate standpoint, using your own money to donate to charities is pretty, Anti-capitolistic..

But, when you're a company like Apple, whose raking in Billions in profits a quarter. What would $100 million, once a year really do to the bottom line?

there's a immaterial principle here, if Anything, actually using Apples own money would probably be a great move for their PR and overall sales.

Currently, Apple is NOT known for being the most philanthropic company in the world. Jobs was very often seen as pretty selfish individual who put more behind personal wealth than efforts in charity.

Apple has not yet shaken that image. Add to the fact that hoarding cash, which Apple has been doing for the last few years, with Little changes to dividends or any relation to the stock owners, which overall is not beneficial to the economy,

The LEAST they could do is use some of that extreme amount of hoarded money for some altruistic means, instead of lining the bank accounts of a few dozen people, They might even make some friends out of those on the fence about Apple products

*Damn, my inner socialist is showing
Always funny when people want to decide what to do with somebody else's money.
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Anyone have a savings account? How would you feel if your bank promised you one rate of return, lets say 1% but at the end of the year you got 0.5%? You would feel cheated, no matter what the bank decided to use that money on. They broke their promise.

Think of for profit corporations as banks that promise people to do everything possible to give you greatest return on your investment (stocks), but then they turn around and take some of those returns and use it how they want (charity or not). They broke their promise.

On the flip side, if the company passes the returns to you as a shareholder and then allows you to decide where to donate that just gives more power to you. The only problem with that is we do not want to be generous. We want someone else to be generous. Like "apple".
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I would definitely buy a red anodized 5s. But I figure the closest we could get is the 5c.
it's ok to dream big. I want a red ipad air, macbook air, iMac and mac pro too!

we were teased with the mac pro

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It's pretty weird that many people's first reaction to a story about how much money a company has raised for charity is to complain that they should have raised more.

How about instead of complaining you lead by example?
The problem what usually comes with your argument (and all other variations of it) is that we are taking about the people that hold the power to "lead" or hold some amount of influence that is much greater than most other individuals' in the rest of society. Albeit in this situation the action of a certain corporation was laudable, complaints by the rest of us is the main way in which we can voice our desires in a way to actually make them into something of substance.

An an example, this is one of the most significant (if not the most) reason why the Firefox CEO was ousted. Although his personal beliefs does not (in my opinion) impair his skill from an objective sense, that he is a person of influence is why what happened to him happened. To bring that example back to this story, that is why it is perfectly legitimate for individuals to complain about this story, even if it is nothing but positive in your opinion.

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