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puma1552

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I've been a car enthusiast for over 3 decades now since I was very young. And there is nothing more yawn-inspiring than looking at those cookie-cutter black or silver Mercedes/BMW/Audi horrors that many people want as their "dream car". Mostly for the status of it too because they have no idea what makes it tick anyway. It doesn't require any brains to go and plunk down $40K+ on some contemporary Eurotrash contraption. But it does require to have at least a little imagination to go beyond and look for a more interesting alternative. Doesn't even have to be all that expensive. Just different and interesting. Sky's the limit here, people!

How can you call yourself an enthusiast when you have such a horrid blind allegiance solely to Japanese cars and utterly dismiss everything else as pure trash thread in, thread out? It never ends with you - you are NOT an enthusiast IMO; rather, just foolish and missing out on lots of fantastic cars.

I think it's nice to NOT see the same cookie cutter Ferrari or Lambo in every post. They aren't badge engineered, but let's face it - 90% are badge bought by people who neither know or care about the engineering and just "like" them because of the price tag and status that goes with them. Supercars are so dry...if you've seen one, you really have seen them all. Boring.
 

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AustinIllini

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I think it's nice to NOT see the same cookie cutter Ferrari or Lambo in every post.
All fleet cars are cookie cutter. Ferraris and Lamborghinis are created by Italian master craftsmen for supreme performance.

They aren't badge engineered, but let's face it - 90% are badge bought by people who neither know or care about the engineering and just "like" them because of the price tag and status that goes with them.
90%? Really? You think Justin Bieber didn't buy a Ferrari because it was fast? If you put a Ferrari badge on your Rav4, it's not a Ferrari and everyone would know it.

Supercars are so dry...if you've seen one, you really have seen them all. Boring.
You're right, 500+ horsepower with an engine note from heaven is really boring. The best cars ever MADE. Funny thing is, if any one of the posters here got to sit in one, they would change their tune. This is "What is your dream car?" which I assume means absolutely no consequence.
 

quagmire

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90%? Really? You think Justin Bieber didn't buy a Ferrari because it was fast? If you put a Ferrari badge on your Rav4, it's not a Ferrari and everyone would know it.

He makes a decent point though. What if there was a car that was faster and better than a Lambo or Ferrari, but didn't have the cache yet of a Ferrari and a Lambo? I am sure Bieber loves the fact the Ferrari is fast, but he possibly bought it due to it being a Ferrari. I don't know if he is a car nut or just bought a car that would make him look cool. Knowing how much of a douche Bieber is, I am betting he bought it because he thinks it makes him look cool.

Not saying people would buy a RAV4 with a Ferrari badge, but the badge does play a big role into a non-enthusiasts mind. The Cadillac ATS, IMHO drives better than the latest 3 series. It has the better chassis, but due to the image difference, people will go for the roundel than the crest.
 

AustinIllini

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He makes a decent point though. What if there was a car that was faster and better than a Lambo or Ferrari, but didn't have the cache yet of a Ferrari and a Lambo? I am sure Bieber loves the fact the Ferrari is fast, but he possibly bought it due to it being a Ferrari. I don't know if he is a car nut or just bought a car that would make him look cool. Knowing how much of a douche Bieber is, I am betting he bought it because he thinks it makes him look cool.

There are about five cars that come close to Ferraris and Lambos, but they are not as widely available and arguably still not as good.
 

quagmire

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There are about five cars that come close to Ferraris and Lambos, but they are not as widely available and arguably still not as good.

I was talking hypothetically. A car with a better image will always beat out a better car with no image(or a bad one) with non-car enthusiasts.
 

yg17

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And what foreign point of view would that be? The beige Camry point of view? I understand it perfectly. I have an uncle who's on his 3rd Accord in a row and loves them because they get him from a to b with minimal hassle and investment. He barely changes oil in it and will only change tires when they're bald to the point of being dangerous. We used to often get into arguments because he just couldn't understand how one could own anything but a Honda Accord or equivalent.

I've been a car enthusiast for over 3 decades now since I was very young. And there is nothing more yawn-inspiring than looking at those cookie-cutter black or silver Mercedes/BMW/Audi horrors that many people want as their "dream car". Mostly for the status of it too because they have no idea what makes it tick anyway. It doesn't require any brains to go and plunk down $40K+ on some contemporary Eurotrash contraption. But it does require to have at least a little imagination to go beyond and look for a more interesting alternative. Doesn't even have to be all that expensive. Just different and interesting. Sky's the limit here, people!


You can't be a "car enthusiast" if you're so willing to dismiss a car and call it a piece of trash just because of the country it was made in.

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Saw a rerun of Top Gear with this monster (Ferrari F12berlinetta) on it: I would want about three.

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You should have put an NSFW warning on that, because that is pure car porn right there.
 

puma1552

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All fleet cars are cookie cutter. Ferraris and Lamborghinis are created by Italian master craftsmen for supreme performance.

And 90% of the people who own them either don't know or don't care. They buy them for the image and because they can afford them, NOT because they are genuine car enthusiasts. Face it - most of the Ferraris you see are 10 year old 360s driven by somebody who you can tell thinks they are hot **** and are looking for attention, flossing it like it's brand new because they know most people don't know the difference between a new one and a 10+ year old one. Lots of them around here.

90%? Really? You think Justin Bieber didn't buy a Ferrari because it was fast? If you put a Ferrari badge on your Rav4, it's not a Ferrari and everyone would know it.

Your example of a Ferrari owner is captain douchebag Justin Bieber? Case in point. I honestly don't think Justin Bieber gives two turds about the engineering of that car, and I would assure you he knows nothing about it. He just likes to drag race it at 60 mph (lol) after drinking. Cool guy, hardcore enthusiast.

You're right, 500+ horsepower with an engine note from heaven is really boring. The best cars ever MADE. Funny thing is, if any one of the posters here got to sit in one, they would change their tune. This is "What is your dream car?" which I assume means absolutely no consequence.

They all look the same. Seen one, you've seen them all. Don't get so up in arms about it. I've sat in them too, not that big of a deal.
 

nagromme

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My dream car is a hybrid all-wheel-drive with electric motors IN each wheel (as has worked well in prototypes). No engine! No transmission or gears or differential or any such complexity. Reliable because it's simple. Battery under the floor in the space that used to be needed for transmission, leaving a massive rear hatch for cargo in an otherwise compact 5-door. And under the hood is a small gasoline generator, used only when needed, that adds massive range by charging the battery when plugging is not as practical as a gas station. Regenerative braking, naturally, and as much automated driving/assist as possible, and of course CarPlay. Please make it reliable and not look 5 years old the way conservative car designers prefer to keep things :) Raised driving position and full-ceiling moonroof. And a bright color... almost impossible to find in these days of dark colors and neutral tones.

I can dream.
 

wordoflife

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Will not take the bait.... Will not take the bait.


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:D :p

Lets be fair, some of the comments on the previous page are complete nonsense. Not everyone values automobiles in the same way that "car enthusiasts" (wow, I hate this word) do. I know plenty of people who drive modest cars given the amount of money they have.

People have different priorities and are satisfied with different things. Its not very nice to make a generalization that everyone would pick one car over another.

In spirit of the thread, I guess having an Aston Martin would be cool, but I can't imagine myself ever spending that much money, even if I could afford it. I don't really care for or value cars that much, nor do I have much interest in glamorizing in things that are unrealistic for me.

Aston Martins are cool though, I'll give it that.

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quagmire

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Lets be fair, some of the comments on the previous page are complete nonsense. Not everyone values automobiles in the same way that "car enthusiasts" (wow, I hate this word) do. I know plenty of people who drive modest cars given the amount of money they have.

People have different priorities and are satisfied with different things. Its not very nice to make a generalization that everyone would pick one car over another.

I know not everyone is a car enthusiast. Why do you hate this word BTW? Just another way to say car guy, car fan, etc.
 

wordoflife

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I know not everyone is a car enthusiast. Why do you hate this word BTW? Just another way to say car guy, car fan, etc.

Because to me, it seems like a lot of these people who consider themselves as such have a very narrow definition of what it means to be one. It's not everyone, but I can say its not the first (or second, or third..) time that I've seen stuff like this. Are people not car enthusiasts if they don't care for expensive/modded/boosted/stanced/whatever cars?

But... like I said, I do recognize that not all "car enthusiasts" are like this.

Because if your dream car is a Civic/Corolla/Camcord and so on then there isn't much you can contribute to this thread. I realize that not everybody is an auto enthusiast and some people are only happy with a beige Camry and that's just fine.
 

quagmire

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Because to me, it seems like a lot of these people who consider themselves as such have a very narrow definition of what it means to be one. It's not everyone, but I can say its not the first (or second, or third..) time that I've seen stuff like this. Are people not car enthusiasts if they don't care for expensive/modded/boosted/stanced/whatever cars?

But... like I said, I do recognize that not all "car enthusiasts" are like this.

Depends by don't care for. I am not a person who is into modding my cars, etc. Though I don't mind a tastefully modified car by another person and I will say cool car. I say do say tastefully. I can't stand people that put fart cans on their vehicles or try to make them as loud and obnoxious as possible. Remove their cats so I am smelling fuel while I drive behind them, etc. It's not that I hate people who modify their cars, but there is a point where it is overboard.

I am not into Japanese car makers either. Toyota's are the most boring vehicles in the freaking world. Though they do have some stars like the FR-S, IS, LF-A, etc. Honda's are decent, but looks can be bland and the engines are gutless below 5,000 RPM.

What I consider a car enthusiast is a person who is able to give other cars credit where it is due. It's just like I said above, would I buy the FR-S, Lexus IS, or LF-A? No, they are not to my tastes, but they are still good cars. Mercedes make great cars, but they are generally not for me because they are more about comfort than a sporty and engaging drive. That to me makes a car enthusiast. Despite their personal tastes, they will not trash a vehicle just because it is American, Japanese, German, etc. Or use BS like HP/L, uses an OHV engine, etc.
 
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wordoflife

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What I consider a car enthusiast is a person who is able to give other cars credit where it is due. It's just like I said above, would I buy the FR-S, Lexus IS, or LF-A? No, they are not to my tastes, but they are still good cars. Mercedes make great cars, but they are generally not for me because they are more about comfort than a sporty and engaging drive. That to me makes a car enthusiast. Despite their personal tastes, they will not trash a vehicle just because it is American, Japanese, German, etc. Or use BS like HP/L, uses an OHV engine, etc.

I agree with you there, but unfortunately, not that many people are open to that perspective. Also, as for Toyotas... remember what they were designed for. They're not that fun to drive, but they weren't really suppose to be. Giving credit where it is due, they make good quality cars that are very reliable.
 

Synchromesh

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How can you call yourself an enthusiast when you have such a horrid blind allegiance solely to Japanese cars and utterly dismiss everything else as pure trash thread in, thread out? It never ends with you - you are NOT an enthusiast IMO; rather, just foolish and missing out on lots of fantastic cars.
Not entirely true. There are tons of old cars from other countries that I do like. That includes various Swedish, British, Italian, American and French ones. One of my absolute favorite cars of all time is a Peugeot 504. Another is Citroen DS. And yet I'm a huge fan of the '60-64 Corvair too. I'm also a fan of the original Fiat 124 (sedan/wagon) but that's for a very specific reason.

I prefer newer Japanese cars for their engineering and excellent value as a modern daily driver. But if sky was the limit and I could get a 2nd or 3rd non-daily car there is a very good chance it wouldn't be Japanese at all.

You can't be a "car enthusiast" if you're so willing to dismiss a car and call it a piece of trash just because of the country it was made in.
It's the 2010s. I can be anything I want to be. :D Just because I'm not a fan of a specific country doesn't mean I don't know or care about cars. And just because I like cars doesn't mean I'm automatically obligated to love every single ones. I might detest the generic beige Camry but I don't deny its right to exist.
 

MICHAELSD

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I'd take a Lamborghini Huracan over the 911 Carrera, but the Carrera is economical in comparison especially since I could probably afford a Carrera within ten years.

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Micky Do

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Morris Minor van

I have seldom owned a car. Small, practical motorcycles and bicycles have always been my main transport. At times they have been supplemented with a car, also small, simple and practical. My favourite was a Morris Minor van, that I had for a couple of years, until I went to live in another country in 1990. If I get another car, something similarly simple would be nice……

Weighing in at about 3/4 ton, the only extra in mine was an after market heater. It could carry a heap of stuff, and didn't cost much to run.
 

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