Apple Seeds OS X Mavericks 10.9.3 Build 13D43 to Developers

460 mb on 2011 mbp

Is the Appleseed Feedback Assistant still there?

ZacNicholson said:

460 mb on 2011 mbp

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Why is this important?

Mr. Retrofire said:

Why is this important?

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This might answer your question:

Any news on the miniDisplayPort HDMI output bug? Been holding off getting a new machine and selling the old one in case the next owner can complains about the miniDisplayPort being broken.

Apparently it's some GPU driver Kernel extensions being broken and I tried fixing it myself, but that just broke OSX and it wouldn't boot after it (so I won't try it again).

Mr. Retrofire said:

Why is this important?

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It's not important. Obviously, different Macs will require a somewhat different download. It's what is specifically being downloaded that matters.

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SarcasticJoe said:

Any news on the miniDisplayPort HDMI output bug? Been holding off getting a new machine and selling the old one in case the next owner can complains about the miniDisplayPort being broken.

Apparently it's some GPU driver Kernel extensions being broken and I tried fixing it myself, but that just broke OSX and it wouldn't boot after it (so I won't try it again).

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I've never heard of this, and I have supported several Macs running Mavericks with a mini display port with HDMI output.

ZacNicholson said:

460 mb on 2011 mbp

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460 here as well..

The feedback assistant has implanted itself into Launchpad and Utilities folder under Applications in Finder fwiw. Not sure what's up with that.

I had a slow-ish boot with the last build on a 2011 MBP...Does anyone know if this build fixes that slowness?

Four oF NINE said:

460 here as well..

The feedback assistant has implanted itself into Launchpad and Utilities folder under Applications in Finder fwiw. Not sure what's up with that.

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Feedback assistant is only for appleseed.

Developers can use http://bugreport.apple.com/ to file bug reports instead.

tywebb13 said:

Feedback assistant is only for appleseed.

Developers can use http://bugreport.apple.com/ to file bug reports instead.

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I understand. So why am I getting it?

tywebb13 said:

Feedback assistant is only for appleseed.

Developers can use http://bugreport.apple.com/ to file bug reports instead.

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The problem is that starting in the last seed, the app was launched for the first time for many folks not involved in AppleSeed. It rarely ever shows up for developers, question is why is it showing up now?

Is anyone else seeing mach_kernel at the root of the disk showing up after installing 13D43?

tywebb13 said:

Feedback assistant is only for appleseed.

Developers can use http://bugreport.apple.com/ to file bug reports instead.

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Four oF NINE said:

I understand. So why am I getting it?

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MikhailT said:

The problem is that starting in the last seed, the app was launched for the first time for many folks not involved in AppleSeed. It rarely ever shows up for developers, question is why is it showing up now?

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The Feedback app no longer starts up after installing the update but it still resides in the System/Library/CoreServices folder.

chrfr said:

Is anyone else seeing mach_kernel at the root of the disk showing up after installing 13D43?

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Yes. I see it at the root also.

We can run this in terminal to make mach_kernel invisible again:

sudo chflags hidden /mach_kernel

I sent a bug report for this to apple too.

7 beta iterations of a .x update? Isn't that a little excessive? I mean how many did vanilla Mavericks have before going live? Mavericks runs great for me but I've sort of been half waiting for this update for some time now - we're nearly at 10.10!

Also great monkey picture.

SCOLANATOR said:

7 beta iterations of a .x update?

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10.9.2 had 7 or 8. This isn't unusual.

With all this testing, is this the last update before the next release? It appears that they're really giving Mavericks a good once over at the panel beaters and workshop before they move onto 10.10 (rumoured to be 'Napa').

chekz0414 said:

I had a slow-ish boot with the last build on a 2011 MBP...Does anyone know if this build fixes that slowness?

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I also had this on build 13D38

This new build 13D43 on my late 2011 MBP 17" has a better boot up and shut down time

SSD on both builds

I wish apple would release a lot tighter and more precise change log's. For nearly 1 year they have claimed to, for instance, be working on graphic drivers, yet there has been little to no change in the base branch of the drivers, and barely any change in version numbers either. Performance wise absolutely 0 has changed, and OSX is still under performing like no tomorrow to the point where I am running windows fulltime on my macbook pro (love the macbook as machine) but OSX is simply just not worth it from a production point. Since I can get the same and more on Windows, and everything runs at least 40-50% faster. it's a no-brain'er. Anyway, IF they gave a bit more specific info, maybe at least we could see the direction they are going, test it along the way and give more valid feedback. But in general, they badly need to update the graphic drivers A LOT faster if they want to be taken serious.

(btw. I work in the 3D, video and commercial industry).

WallToWallMacs said:

With all this testing, is this the last update before the next release? It appears that they're really giving Mavericks a good once over at the panel beaters and workshop before they move onto 10.10 (rumoured to be 'Napa').

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Based purely on the timeline, I doubt 10.9.3 will the last minor update for Mavericks.

WWDC keynote is June 2, at which Apple should announce 10.10. Assuming the release schedule is similar to last year, 10.10 should be available to the public about October.

Assuming a late April release for 10.9.3 and a roughly three month gap between later minor updates, there is plenty of time for a 10.9.4 around July and a 10.9.5 around October.

If 10.10 is released in July to September, there would still be time for a 10.9.4 update, and there could be a 10.9.5 after the release of 10.10 (similar to the timing of 10.4.11 and 10.7.5).

While I agree that the performance could definitely be better using Windows for anything other than games is just something I couldn't stomach. There is so much fundamentally wrong with the actual OS. The only thing it does have going for it is performance but personally I don't think OSX performs that badly - maybe it is different in the video industry, although most people who work in design tend to use Macs AFAIK.

The graphics performance in 10.9.3 is just horrible compared to 10.8.1. Apple changed the way the Nvidia driver works in a fundamental way. Performance dropped over 50% in Cinebench 15 Open GL test. It now runs at 30% of the Windows score. I now get 33 fps in OSX and 108 fps in Windows. Even the ATI driver is slower but not as bad. I use 3D applications and I can assure you I can see a difference all aps using Open Gl is slower even effects when used in After Effects. CUDA is same speed but all OpenGL apps suffers.

admmasters said:

While I agree that the performance could definitely be better using Windows for anything other than games is just something I couldn't stomach. There is so much fundamentally wrong with the actual OS. The only thing it does have going for it is performance but personally I don't think OSX performs that badly - maybe it is different in the video industry, although most people who work in design tend to use Macs AFAIK.

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Most people working in design uses OSX true, but it's an old trend more than a logic choice, its because they always have, so they never really put the difference up side by side. But any program you pick from Autodesk, Adobe or any other big company, they all run a lot faster (viewports etc) under Windows, because of DirectX (and DX11 these days), and because Nvidia can push updates instantly if they need to support or fix something, The fact that OSX is constantly running with 6-12 month old Nvidia drivers just hurts my soul. It shouldn't be such a low priority from apple knowing that a lot of people in photo and video jobs like to use OSX. Another potential problem could just be that OSX is stuck with openGL, which on paper should be just as good as directX, how ever I have a feeling the application support is way way worse from autodesk etc's side. Anyway the different is massive. Oh and I don't want this to turn into a win/apple war, not the point, personally I wish I could get the look and feel of OSX while having it perform as win8.1. But efficiency wins over looks when all comes to all.

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macwanabe said:

The graphics performance in 10.8.3 is just horrible compared to 10.8.1. Apple changed the way the Nvidia driver works in a fundamental way. Performance dropped over 50% in Cinebench 15 Open GL test. It now runs at 30% of the Windows score. I now get 33 fps in OSX and 108 fps in Windows. Even the ATI driver is slower but not as bad. I use 3D applications and I can assure you I can see a difference all aps using Open Gl is slower even effects when used in After Effects. CUDA is same speed but all OpenGL apps suffers.

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Exactly!

macwanabe said:

The graphics performance in 10.8.3 is just horrible compared to 10.8.1. Apple changed the way the Nvidia driver works in a fundamental way. Performance dropped over 50% in Cinebench 15 Open GL test. It now runs at 30% of the Windows score. I now get 33 fps in OSX and 108 fps in Windows. Even the ATI driver is slower but not as bad. I use 3D applications and I can assure you I can see a difference all aps using Open Gl is slower even effects when used in After Effects. CUDA is same speed but all OpenGL apps suffers.

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I guess you mean 10.9.3 compared to 10.9.1, or?