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lincolntran

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So.... APPLE is giving away money (either a lot or little) to help others and people still complain? wtf?
 

spyguy10709

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Apr 5, 2010
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I think Apple's Product(Red) is mildly pathetic. They offer a product in a color, they charge you a bit more, then they supposedly give the funds over to charity. I would rather choose another color and give the money to charity myself but I wouldn't ever think that Apple needs to lower prices to make it easier for me to buy crap that I likely don't need. In truth, and I assume you could be a great exception, but the savings we see isn't going to go anywhere but towards other stuff we probably don't need.

1. RED is a great charity, with a really high % of every dollar going to help prevent the spread of AIDS.
2. Apple charges the same for RED products, and takes anywhere between 10-50 dollars of it's own profit and gives it to the charity.
3. They could do more, I'll give you that. But it's something.

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So.... APPLE is giving away money (either a lot or little) to help others and people still complain? wtf?

Welcome to the world of MacRumors. I'm pretty sure Apple could come up with a cure for cancer and people here would complain about it. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

GeneralChang

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Dec 2, 2013
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And you have the inside information to make such a statement?

Generally such programs do nothing to fight poverty because poverty is a state of mind and often directly related to being lazy. For Apple this amounts to throwing away good money.

Well, that’s hardly fair. Yes, a fair portion of the time your statement holds up just fine. But if any significant ammount of that money does go to give some people the chance to change their situation and results in them rising above the poverty income level, then it was probably worth it.

Especially since $15bil-cash-pile Apple can probably afford it.

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Welcome to the world of MacRumors. I'm pretty sure Apple could come up with a cure for cancer and people here would complain about it. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

“Cure for cancer? Sure but when are we getting that iWatch with a holographic projection display? C’mon Apple! Innovate!"
 

charlituna

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Jun 11, 2008
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In terms of philanthropy Apple has a pathetic record. Bill Gates has given back to the community much more than anyone at Apple.

Lack of record doesn't mean that they weren't doing anything. They just weren't talking about it. Gates in the other hand loves for folks to know about every action cause how else will he be in the press.

That lack of talk is very in keeping with Buddhism beliefs which Steve studied.

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I think the more apt comparison would be the donations to charity Apple as has made as a company (Product RED, this, etc.) to the donations to charity Microsoft has made.

Very true. We should be looking at company v company and man v man. So how much has. Microsoft, Google etc as a company donated to anything say in the last three years

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Best anti-poverty program is a job. Certainly Apple is the position to hire lower skilled people.

Not really. Not as more than janitors and how many of those do they need.

Now if Apple was running their own factories they might be in a position
 

8.33

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Aug 17, 2011
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Or they could just, you know, pay the tax that they should pay. Quite a lot of that goes on helping impoverished people.
 

unplugme71

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May 20, 2011
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Best anti-poverty program is a job. Certainly Apple is the position to hire lower skilled people. But the irony here is the higher than national avg cost of living in the Bay area is mostly due to it being world HQ for high tech and the huge salaries and wealth that accompanies it. This is like window dressing. $500K to Apple is like an ordinary person donating $2 at the cash register for whatever charity the store is trying to raise money for.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the average wage earner gets $44,000 per year. Apple net income was 37B for 2013.

Donating 500,000 is 0.00001351351% of Apple's income, equivalent to the average wage earner donating 60 cents.
 

robd003

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Aug 21, 2007
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Should have given the money back to shareholders

This is retarded. The city of San Francisco is supposed to take care of it's residents, not the local companies. I wish AAPL included the $500k in it's yearly dividend instead of wasting it on another idiotic Benioff PR campaign.
 

Silencio

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Jul 18, 2002
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This is retarded. The city of San Francisco is supposed to take care of it's residents, not the local companies. I wish AAPL included the $500k in it's yearly dividend instead of wasting it on another idiotic Benioff PR campaign.

And yet people like you insist that corporations pay little to no taxes.

Sounds like you want Feudalism without that pesky noblesse oblige.

But even the mentally ill and severely disabled should go out and get jobs and pull their own weight, right?

Let them eat cake.
 

Bubba Satori

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Best anti-poverty program is a job. Certainly Apple is the position to hire lower skilled people. But the irony here is the higher than national avg cost of living in the Bay area is mostly due to it being world HQ for high tech and the huge salaries and wealth that accompanies it. This is like window dressing. $500K to Apple is like an ordinary person donating $2 at the cash register for whatever charity the store is trying to raise money for.

Yep.

Absolutely worthless, "aren't we special", PR stunt.
More jobs would be created if Apple wasn't keeping billions offshore and paying their fair share of taxes.
Hypocrites.
 

MacSince1990

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Oct 6, 2009
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And what exactly does this charity do? There's a lot of big problems in the world and there aren't a lot of great solutions for them, or else those solutions would have been funded and our problems solved.

There are a lot of dumb ideas for how to solve problems with charities built around them that certainly shouldn't be funded.

So is SF Gives built around a great solution or an incredibly dumb one.

Here's an idea: evenly distribute the money across the poor people.

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Bit of a simplistic way of looking at things.
 

ArtOfWarfare

macrumors G3
Nov 26, 2007
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Yep.

Absolutely worthless, "aren't we special", PR stunt.
More jobs would be created if Apple wasn't keeping billions offshore and paying their fair share of taxes.
Hypocrites.

How so? It's Apple's money either way - whether they hoard it in the US or offshore doesn't change that they hoard it - all it does is increase the amount Apple pays in taxes to the US Government. Their increase in taxes would harm Apple far more than it would help the US Federal government, and it doesn't produce any more jobs at all.
 

JAT

macrumors 603
Dec 31, 2001
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Yep.

Absolutely worthless, "aren't we special", PR stunt.
More jobs would be created if Apple wasn't keeping billions offshore and paying their fair share of taxes.
Hypocrites.
How? So, last FY, Apple expensed $13b in US taxes. Let's say it should have been $50b, how does the increase increase number of jobs? It's just electronic, it's still just one accountant at the IRS, typing in a different number. And then the US could pay a bit earlier for some of their debt, so that's just timing for when some other accountant punches a couple numbers.
 

mizzouxc

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I wonder what this will actually do to resolve the poverty issue.

My brother lives in poverty, but it's his choice. He chooses not to go to work and gets fired. If you want to make good money, you have to have something to offer. "Alcoholic, lazy and unreliable" are all individual caused problems.

For example, handing $1000 to 500 people isn't going to solve the problem.
 

CFreymarc

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Get rid of both the minimum wage and welfare, poverty only exists for those who choose it.
 

CFreymarc

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This is a stupid comment. I'm disgusted you can believe this crap

I'm discussed you bought into socialist propaganda, based your life off it and became a tool of the State. Not to mention massive student debt. The lie is not true as you repeat it more.

Freedom starts telling the counselor to take a hike!
 

mattintoshmac

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May 6, 2014
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To all the fault-finding, bitter and cynical hypocrites:

Apple's $500,000 is better than your $0. Say what you like, but they've done it, you ain't, so you ain't got no reason to pour negativity on a good deed. How about this - sell YOUR iPad and YOUR iPhone(s) and give the money you raise to charity, since these are non-essential luxuries... yeah, you wouldn't do that, would you?

Hypocrites


Sling your hooks you pathetic bunch of egotists - SHOO - go and do something good WITH YOUR LIFE, and mind your own business, sensation seeking chumps.
 
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TechGod

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I'm discussed you bought into socialist propaganda, based your life off it and became a tool of the State. Not to mention massive student debt. The lie is not true as you repeat it more.

Freedom starts telling the counselor to take a hike!

Minimum wage isn't a socialist idea. Oh and I'm not American so not a tool of "the state"
 

theheadguy

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Apr 26, 2005
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And what exactly does this charity do? There's a lot of big problems in the world and there aren't a lot of great solutions for them, or else those solutions would have been funded and our problems solved.There are a lot of dumb ideas for how to solve problems with charities built around them that certainly shouldn't be funded.So is SF Gives built around a great solution or an incredibly dumb one.Here's an idea: evenly distribute the money across the poor people.
Go read their web site and report back.
 

Crichton333

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May 4, 2014
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Giving back to a community that has made you super rich is the right thing to do.

They are giving this to homeless people...not the actual community that made them rich :) and also donations are tax deductables. If they really cared about this they would have made the donation anonimusly.
 

CFreymarc

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Minimum wage isn't a socialist idea. Oh and I'm not American so not a tool of "the state"

You so deep in the rabbit hole you can't even see your position. Minimum wage came from Keynes who was a socialist and a eugenics advocate. Keynes promotion came about from many in Europe who lost a lot of political power due the free markets of the industrial revolution. Thus they found his philosophy of "managed economies" a means to bring the old feudal, land owners back into political power.
 

Hieveryone

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Apr 11, 2014
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Wow! $500,000! Do you know how many iPhones they have to sell to make a $500,000 profit? This is great. That's so much money. It's good to know they are a compassionate company :apple:

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I wonder what this will actually do to resolve the poverty issue.

My brother lives in poverty, but it's his choice. He chooses not to go to work and gets fired. If you want to make good money, you have to have something to offer. "Alcoholic, lazy and unreliable" are all individual caused problems.

For example, handing $1000 to 500 people isn't going to solve the problem.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother. I agree that you can't just handout cash, but at the same time, what is Apple supposed to do? Tim Cook can't go around teaching everyone in SF code so he can hire them and give them jobs...
 

576316

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May 19, 2011
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They could have given a lot more. Like, double it to $1m? I guess donating anything is still worth while though, good on Apple for supporting charities.
 
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