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Old Jun 5, 2014, 10:46 PM   #1
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HealthKit Includes Native Bluetooth Support for Some Accessories, Eliminating Need for Companion Apps




HealthKit supports some medical Bluetooth accessories natively, allowing accessory makers to skip developing apps for iOS and focus on their hardware, according to 9to5Mac.

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The accessories that will be built-in and supported natively by HealthKit include heart rate and blood pressure monitors, glucose sensors, and health thermometers. Apple is using official standard specs for Bluetooth LE devices from http://Bluetooth.org, which is what allows iOS 8 to automatically establish a connection with the devices listed above without the manufacturers worrying about anything on the software side.
HealthKit can automatically detect these Bluetooth medical devices and gather data from them, syncing them to the new Health app without the user having to do anything in a third-party app, making it easy for users to find health information in a single place. Additionally, device makers won't have to spend resources and time making an app rather than focus on their hardware.

HealthKit and the Health app are available to developers in the iOS 8 now. All three will launch in the fall for the general public.

Article Link: HealthKit Includes Native Bluetooth Support for Some Accessories, Eliminating Need for Companion Apps
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 10:49 PM   #2
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Good. I'm starting to live with app overload... if you need apps for health, passbook, home kit, etc it can really start to add up.... Oh yeah and with extensions it's cool to be able to use the multiple app UI's in say the photos app (for example), but it'd be nice not to need to have all the apps on your phone taking up space

I'm still not sure if you need apps for widgets and keyboards...
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 10:51 PM   #3
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I take it then the manufacturer would need to follow the Guidelines Apple provides them for sending/receiving data?
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 10:52 PM   #4
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Does that mean it should already be able to pick up devices over bluetooth?

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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:03 PM   #6
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App devs won't like this. Hardware devs probably will.
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:06 PM   #7
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Good. Most of those devices are single-function and don't need an app taking up a spot on your home screen. Plus the apps are usually junk… the market usually isn't big enough to devote real time and effort into polishing them.
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:07 PM   #8
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I take it then the manufacturer would need to follow the Guidelines Apple provides them for sending/receiving data?
According to the article, Apple is following (not providing) standard guidelines themselves: "Apple is using official standard specs for Bluetooth LE devices from http://Bluetooth.org"

So the manufacturers should just follow the standard guidelines.
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:07 PM   #9
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That's kind of the point, isn't it?
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:17 PM   #10
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I kinda doubt it'll prevent them from making an app, since it'll permit them to show the datas in their own way and make computation, propose services, and have their logo on the phone/app. HealthKit will be nice to have all these datas at the same place, but companies will want to have a bit more on people phones.

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According to the article, Apple is following (not providing) standard guidelines themselves: "Apple is using official standard specs for Bluetooth LE devices from http://Bluetooth.org"

So the manufacturers should just follow the standard guidelines.
I guess how it's sent follows standard rules, but what is sent is personal to each app.
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:19 PM   #11
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Wait a second, does this mean I can use my iPhone to gather data from someone else's medical/health devices?
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:23 PM   #12
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Wait a second, does this mean I can use my iPhone to gather data from someone else's medical/health devices?
No, of course not. There just won't be a proprietary app+device pairing process. It'll be a pure Bluetooth pairing process.
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:26 PM   #13
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Wow! No one knows ..>!

I can't believe you guys don't know that Apple is in BIG trouble because the logo and the idea is already property of an Australia company called HealthKit.
This girl was one of the Young entrepreneur of the year a few years back.
It is all over the news here in Australia because what Apple has done is incredible: steal the idea, the concept and even the logo!
I love apple and I got every single product they have come up with in the last 5 years but this is something else.
Don't believe me? Check this out:

https://www.healthkit.com

I believe that by end of next week this girl will be millionaire because apple will not have any other option that buy her up.
What do you think?
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:37 PM   #14
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I can't believe you guys don't know that Apple is in BIG trouble because the logo and the idea is already property of an Australia company called HealthKit.
This girl was one of the Young entrepreneur of the year a few years back.
It is all over the news here in Australia because what Apple has done is incredible: steal the idea, the concept and even the logo!
I love apple and I got every single product they have come up with in the last 5 years but this is something else.
Don't believe me? Check this out:

https://www.healthkit.com

I believe that by end of next week this girl will be millionaire because apple will not have any other option that buy her up.
What do you think?
Cheers
What logo? What idea? I don't see any similarities there at all.

And many of Apple's frameworks use the "Kit" suffix. It's a back-end thing that developers see, end-users are only present with "Health".

Just like SpriteKit and SceneKit.

And trademarks only apply to specific areas. Apple's HealthKit applies to operating system software. What OS does her trademark pertain to?
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:38 PM   #15
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I can't believe you guys don't know that Apple is in BIG trouble because the logo and the idea is already property of an Australia company called HealthKit.
This girl was one of the Young entrepreneur of the year a few years back.
It is all over the news here in Australia because what Apple has done is incredible: steal the idea, the concept and even the logo!
I love apple and I got every single product they have come up with in the last 5 years but this is something else.
Don't believe me? Check this out:

https://www.healthkit.com

I believe that by end of next week this girl will be millionaire because apple will not have any other option that buy her up.
What do you think?
Cheers
So you've decided Apple's in big trouble?
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:42 PM   #16
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I can't believe you guys don't know that Apple is in BIG trouble because the logo and the idea is already property of an Australia company called HealthKit.
This girl was one of the Young entrepreneur of the year a few years back.
It is all over the news here in Australia because what Apple has done is incredible: steal the idea, the concept and even the logo!
I love apple and I got every single product they have come up with in the last 5 years but this is something else.
Don't believe me? Check this out:

https://www.healthkit.com

I believe that by end of next week this girl will be millionaire because apple will not have any other option that buy her up.
What do you think?
Cheers
Well, I see the name is the same, but the logo isn't the same at all. I guess you are referring to the styling of the letters? But I gotta say, having an app that collects health information is far from being a novel idea...for Apple or this Australian girl.
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:42 PM   #17
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Check this out:

https://www.healthkit.com

I believe that by end of next week this girl will be millionaire because apple will not have any other option that buy her up.
What do you think?
Cheers
Her asking price? $3 billion and an on-stage phone call from Apple during the next WWDC keynote.
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:43 PM   #18
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Not me... read all about it

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So you've decided Apple's in big trouble?
Not me mate. Is the law. Read the news:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/small...-1226943793182

http://www.cnet.com/au/news/apple-dr...ver-healthkit/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hKit-tool.html

And if this is not enough, read Wired:

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/apple-healthkit-taken/

So again, is not me "thinking they are in trouble" ... is Apple who have created the problem themselves.
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Not me mate. Is the law. Read the news:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/small...-1226943793182

http://www.cnet.com/au/news/apple-dr...ver-healthkit/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hKit-tool.html

And if this is not enough, read Wired:

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/apple-healthkit-taken/

So again, is not me "thinking they are in trouble" ... is Apple who have created the problem themselves.
Please point me to the trademark filing.
Oh, you can't? Well then.
Please elaborate as to how Apple should is suppose to know everything on the planet when this company didn't file anything with the government????

USPTO TESS Trademark search for 'HealthKit' shows 0 results
IPAustraila ATMOSS Trademark search for 'HealthKit' shows 0 results

Lesson learned. File a trademark like a normal company if you want to protect your......trademark......
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Old Jun 5, 2014, 11:51 PM   #20
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Please point me to the trademark filing.
Oh, you can't? Well then.
Please elaborate as to how Apple should is suppose to know everything on the planet when this company didn't file anything with the government????

USPTO TESS Trademark search for 'HealthKit' shows 0 results
IPAustraila ATMOSS Trademark search for 'HealthKit' shows 0 results

Lesson learned. File a trademark like a normal company if you want to protect your......trademark......
So just answer me this: Is it legally correct to use the idea, the concept, the name of somebody else just because you want it?
Do you think that a multi billion company don't have money to have staff dedicated to find out over the internet with a simple "search" if something like this is already in existence?
Rest my case...
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Old Jun 6, 2014, 12:07 AM   #21
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I can't believe you guys don't know that Apple is in BIG trouble because the logo and the idea is already property of an Australia company called HealthKit.
This girl was one of the Young entrepreneur of the year a few years back.
It is all over the news here in Australia because what Apple has done is incredible: steal the idea, the concept and even the logo!
I love apple and I got every single product they have come up with in the last 5 years but this is something else.
Don't believe me? Check this out:

https://www.healthkit.com

I believe that by end of next week this girl will be millionaire because apple will not have any other option that buy her up.
What do you think?
Cheers
I hadn't heard, but then I'm not following the tech press that closely. Looking into it, it's just about the name of Apple's API, which is named consistently with their other libraries, eg WebKit etc. They have history of this, using I-names even if a company in some country has a trademark, or someone has the website with that name, then sort it out after the fact. iPhone had similar issues, just now there is a story from Mexico and the name iFone.
The basic concept is similar, but not the same; I think they are about marrying up health professionals like doctors and GPs and patients through a website, whereas Apple's Health app is about collecting data from health sensors and display them centrally.
The logo is nothing like theirs, that is not at issue. Nor is it an identical concept, though they both involve collecting health data centrally using technology. So's Samsung's new devices. I guess they got somewhat Sherlocked if they were planning making smartphone apps in the future. They still can since Healthkit is just the API, it's up to apps, like Apple's own Health app and others to do something with it. And then of course there's Android.
Millionaires by the end of next week? Doubt it. I can understand them being miffed as it creates confusion among customers, and they may well sue and they will sort something out over time. But hardly a legal slam-dunk. Maybe Apple will have to change the name of their API in the end.
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App devs won't like this. Hardware devs probably will.
I like it too
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I take it then the manufacturer would need to follow the Guidelines Apple provides them for sending/receiving data?

That is a very good question to which I have no answer. I'm still frustrated with Apples stingy way in which they handle Bluetooth connections to common things like RS232 adapters. Developers should be free to use such adapters anyway they see fit.

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According to the article, Apple is following (not providing) standard guidelines themselves: "Apple is using official standard specs for Bluetooth LE devices from http://Bluetooth.org"

So the manufacturers should just follow the standard guidelines.
I think the point here is how far do those standards go. I really don't know but I'd find it very odd if they had a data format standard for every potential device out there.
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So just answer me this: Is it legally correct to use the idea, the concept, the name of somebody else just because you want it?
Do you think that a multi billion company don't have money to have staff dedicated to find out over the internet with a simple "search" if something like this is already in existence?
Rest my case...
HealthKit is the name of the API. It's not the name of a product. The app is called "Health". Just because there's an entity out there with the name doesn't mean Apple can't use it for an API within their OS. It isn't even trademarked (as another poster pointed out). So this is really much ado about nothing and looks like an attempt by the company HealthKit to drum up some publicity and perhaps some cash from Apple.
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So just answer me this: Is it legally correct to use the idea, the concept, the name of somebody else just because you want it?
Do you think that a multi billion company don't have money to have staff dedicated to find out over the internet with a simple "search" if something like this is already in existence?
Rest my case...
If the name wasn't registered she doesn't have a case. Beyond that HealthKit is the name of an API not a consumer facing product.
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