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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:16 AM   #26
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They have this refurbished for the same price:

Refurbished 21.5-inch iMac 2.7GHz quad-core Intel Core i5
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:17 AM   #27
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When will Apple release touchscreen iMacs?
When humans get cybernetic assistance so that arms do not get tired when held out in front for long periods?

Touch screens on a desktop OS are an edge case use for short periods.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:17 AM   #28
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The fact that none of the iMacs come standard with a SSD at this point is shocking. I would never buy or use a computer without one now.
enough said. If you are selling a premium product, by all means make it premium out of the gate!
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:17 AM   #29
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Slow, overpriced, and dumb

I'm very surprised - this strikes me as nothing short of a terrible move. A dual core ULV iMac that is still on the wrong side of $1000?

Absurd.

And far too expensive for what it is.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:18 AM   #30
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:18 AM   #31
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I agree with Steve Jobs on this feature. It gives a great demo, but it's ergonomically terrible.

Also, I wouldn't enjoy wiping finger prints off my monitor all the time. Touching a monitor will not be faster than a mouse.
Exactly. Plus, getting a cursor from one side of a 27" screen to another requires minimal effort using a mouse/trackpad.

To drag an icon using your hand on a touchscreen would require actually moving your hand across the entire screen.

If touch screens had come first, people would view the mouse as an incredible labor-saving device.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:18 AM   #32
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Whoa dual-core + intel HD graphics? This is a joke right? Just looked at my calendar and I see that it is June. June fools? This is the same thing as Apple trying to sell the iPad 2 again.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:18 AM   #33
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When will Apple release touchscreen iMacs?
When scientists genetically engineer us with ultra high endurance forearm muscles.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:19 AM   #34
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When will Apple release touchscreen iMacs?
When human anatomy changes and it becomes comfortable to work with your hands held out in front of you hovering in the air for hours.

I've seen touch screen desktops in action. They are rarely touched.

Actually, I think this could happen eventually. But it really will be at a point when the tech is super cheap and once every other piece of mobile glass out there is touch and so we start expecting everything to have touch. But I don't think it will ever be a primary input means just because of human anatomy. If one were to try to do touch screen desktop in a better form, you would put it on a steep slant like a drafting board on a desk.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:19 AM   #35
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We'll that's an odd processor choice.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:20 AM   #36
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I'm very surprised - this strikes me as nothing short of a terrible move. A dual core ULV iMac that is still on the wrong side of $1000?

Absurd.

And far too expensive for what it is.
That's psychological pricing for you. I hopped onto the UK site and couldn't believe that you could get an iMac for under 900.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:21 AM   #37
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i think the price should be more around $899.

i mean for 200 bucks more you could get a quad core i5 with iris pro graphics.

At $899 i think this would be an amazing product. im sorry but i find this kind of a stupid product but this is just my 2 cents.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:21 AM   #38
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They put a MacBook Air (15W) CPU inside a desktop computer meant for 65W CPUs? Without making it thinner?

Hmmm, pretty weird. Would have been cheaper for them to go with a less efficient, more powerful chip.
On the plus side, it means that chip will be running at its max turbo boost frequency pretty much full time.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:21 AM   #39
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5 hours downtime just to add a new product
It probably takes a long time because they have to redirect all the links (there are probably a lot), update images, update literature & test everything so that nothing broke in the process of the update.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:21 AM   #40
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Apple's method of securing lower income markets seems to be, take a high end device, leave the expensive design, casing, screen, etc in place and then rip out as much of the guts as possible so as to maintain margins. It's an awful comprimise between wanting a lower end market and being unwilling to actually design products from scratch that are specific to it for fear of seeming to lower the finish of the image.

We pay premiums for the fit and finish of Apple products because we are going for the higher end device and once there, are happy to pay the extra for the finish: thus securing form and function.

This is form and no function.

I hope this fails.

Apple, design something from scratch or stay out of the market. As this stands you are giving weight to the often cited criticism that "Apple is just overpriced parts in a slick body".
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:22 AM   #41
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That's psychological pricing for you. I hopped onto the UK site and couldn't believe that you could get an iMac for under 900.
And it's still over $1000 ($1049) via educational or government pricing.

What a complete rip-off!
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:22 AM   #42
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This is just clearing the decks for retina iMacs this fall.

I hope you are right...if there's no new iMac now until 2015 this is depressing.

Kuo is pretty dead on though.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:22 AM   #43
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Damn. Was really hoping for a sub $1000 price point.
If you buy through education pricing it'll knock $50 off. Still not under 1k but it's something...
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:23 AM   #44
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1.4 GHz in a desktop computer at this price?

Surely that's a typo...

Just checked Apple's store and it says the same thing.

1.4 GHz for $1099 or 2.7 GHz for $1299. They're the same line of CPU, so it's an apples to apples comparison. For an 18% increase in price, you double the CPU and the storage capacity. The GPU also changes, but it changes lines entirely so there's no easy way to say how much better one is than the other.
The 1.4 Ghz iMac is most likely using the exact same Core i5-4260U CPU as the 2014 MacBook Air. This is actually one of the latest Intel ULV chips, which integrates the GPU onto the same die as the CPU.

OK, it is not as fast as a a quad-core desktop chip, but definitely not 2x slower as the "1.4 Ghz" would suggest.

In fact, on single-core GeekBench the difference in performance is only 15% or so. It's only the multicore benchmarks which show a ~2x difference, which is entirely accounted for by the fact that its a dual-core and not a quad-core.

Basically, Mhz/Ghz is pretty meaningless these days as a performance measure.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:23 AM   #45
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Whoa dual-core + intel HD graphics? This is a joke right? Just looked at my calendar and I see that it is June. June fools? This is the same thing as Apple trying to sell the iPad 2 again.
No, it's not the same thing..
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:23 AM   #46
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mac mini is better

I'd rather buy a mac mini , then having the luxury of picking any HDTV i want attaching the mini to the back of it. like this youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTNawC5fKOo
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:24 AM   #47
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When humans get cybernetic assistance so that arms do not get tired when held out in front for long periods?

Touch screens on a desktop OS are an edge case use for short periods.
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When scientists genetically engineer us with ultra high endurance forearm muscles.
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When human anatomy changes and it becomes comfortable to work with your hands held out in front of you hovering in the air for hours.
Yeah, guys. Because they will come into your home and remove mice and keyboards at gunpoint.

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I've seen touch screen desktops in action. They are rarely touched.
Oh, you mean it's an optional input mechanism that is used at appropriate times only? That must be too hard for some to conjure.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:24 AM   #48
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Damn. Was really hoping for a sub $1000 price point.
Same here. Not that I am in the market for one, but it would've been nice to see Apple pushing some more aggressive pricing on it's desktop line. We are still talking about the best looking and performing AIO hands down, unless you start brining in the HP Z2. A starting price of $899 would have made it almost a no brainer even when comparing it to your run of the mill middle of the line PC.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:25 AM   #49
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If I had to venture to guess, how many low end dual core desktop processors come with HD5000 graphics? Last I knew, most of the dual core desktops came with HD4600 or less. My guess is that is the lowest GPU that Apple feels is adequate. Thus, they had to use mobile processors. Why they used a ULV instead of a more "standard" offering, your guess is as good as mine.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 07:25 AM   #50
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When will Apple release touchscreen iMacs?
When it will make sense from a user perspective - meaning never.

Apple is a mass producer of computer equipment. They look at what the largest share of the market needs. There is virtually no consumer demand for touchscreen desktop computers.
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