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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:10 PM   #26
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Sorry to be that guy but 99% of the contents of the Daily Mail is unsubstantiated rumour...
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:12 PM   #27
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...and now Samsung plays the waiting game with its best copycats roaring to get started...
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:24 PM   #28
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Apple is premium tech; people should have no problem spending that kind of money if they want a phone that separates them from the Android peasants.
Peasants? Says the person proudly sporting 3+ year old tech (iPhone 4) in their signature....
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:29 PM   #29
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So what you're saying is that Apple has to totally invent the technology in order to be innovative?
I think he's saying that after the wheel, innovation was all downhill.

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Not saying that this is it, but whoever wins the race to produce a sensibly sized smart phone with enough juice to last 2+ days on a single charge with accepted average levels of daily use will be the next to be truly able to claim "this changes everything".

I'm lucky if my phone lasts till the late evening after an 8am start and I am definitely not a heavy user.
You're using it wrong.

Seriously, I'm an average user and get 2 days on iPhone 5s. Do I want more? Always. Do I wish my battery wasn't at 3% by the end of day 2. Sure, low battery warnings scare me. Do I need it to be better? Not really because I usually charge it daily.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:31 PM   #30
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The next revolution is in battery capacity. It would change everything and it would truly launch the world into a new era.

What about those perforated super batteries that are "cheaper and store 20 times more power than conventional batteries"? Or "stacked layers of graphene" that is apparently "super awesome and super cheap to make" now that "scientists finally find cheap way to manufacture graphene using floppy drive"? Or is every single tech article I read about complete bull?
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:32 PM   #31
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Last i checked fuel cells were in "the low 5 digits" according to the company i was inquiring from. These were small ones as well as far as these things go.

Really curious how Apple could move the needle on this tech, because it is the most amazing thing since the Internal Combustion Engine. ( Yes and better than graphene).
I dunno, graphene is pretty cool. We might end up with faster microchips out of that technology.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:33 PM   #32
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Hydrogen? Boomgate.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:34 PM   #33
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...and now Samsung plays the waiting game with its best copycats roaring to get started...
Samsung has already expressed interest in NEAH Power. They're using formic acid as an energy source.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140512/BIZ/140519768
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:36 PM   #34
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While the tabloid does not have a strong rumor track record
Good point, they're not Professional Senior Technology Securities Analysts, that's for sure.

So take this rumour with a grain of salt until it can be vaguely confirmed - or not.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:37 PM   #35
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Sorry to be that guy but 99% of the contents of the Daily Mail is unsubstantiated rumour...
...saturated with hypocrisy, racism and maleficent sensationalism.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:38 PM   #36
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The next revolution is in battery capacity. It would change everything and it would truly launch the world into a new era.

What about those perforated super batteries that are "cheaper and store 20 times more power than conventional batteries"? Or "stacked layers of graphene" that is apparently "super awesome and super cheap to make" now that "scientists finally find cheap way to manufacture graphene using floppy drive"? Or is every single tech article I read about complete bull?
Nope. Straight up all true.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:38 PM   #37
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But then what will the trolls complain about?
That their Fuel Cell Tech batteries keep spontaneously combusting?
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:45 PM   #38
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While the tabloid does not have a strong rumor track record...
I'd say it's got an appalling pretty track record right across the board.

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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:49 PM   #39
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Seriously, I'm an average user and get 2 days on iPhone 5s. Do I want more? Always. Do I wish my battery wasn't at 3% by the end of day 2. Sure, low battery warnings scare me. Do I need it to be better? Not really because I usually charge it daily.
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I wouldn't call that average at all... With a bit of Facebook, Reddit, email, a little bit of game playing, I'm down to 30 or 40% by the end of the day. No way I could get it to stretch into a second day.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:50 PM   #40
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What exactly is a fuel cell, a hydrogen-powered battery-like device? EDIT: That's what it seems to be. The hydrogen is stored as gas. That doesn't sound very safe or compact, plus I've heard that this tabloid doesn't report true facts. I've also seen Daily Mail on my Google News feed, and I've lumped them in the trash pit with RT and Huffington Post already.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:54 PM   #42
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Samsung has already expressed interest in NEAH Power. They're using formic acid as an energy source.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140512/BIZ/140519768
Samsung is interested in everything. Especially if Apple is doing it.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 01:55 PM   #43
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The next revolution is in battery capacity. It would change everything and it would truly launch the world into a new era.

What about those perforated super batteries that are "cheaper and store 20 times more power than conventional batteries"? Or "stacked layers of graphene" that is apparently "super awesome and super cheap to make" now that "scientists finally find cheap way to manufacture graphene using floppy drive"? Or is every single tech article I read about complete bull?
Popular Science material. I haven't read Popular Science since they were obsessing over flying cars and 3-wheeled motorcycles, but I'll bet they're going nuts with graphene.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 02:02 PM   #44
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I know I'm being a little lazy but this article fails to explain just a wee bit what Fuel Cell Technology really is and why Apple would be interested in it.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 02:03 PM   #45
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My future iPhone is not going to have a mini power plant generating electricity. And if it does, I'm not putting it in my jeans pocket by my junk.

Seriously, what would be the point? You would still have to hook the fuel cell up to a fuel source. If you are storing the energy, then you can store in the form of the fuel or in the form of electricity stored on a battery. I'd rather have a battery than a small canister of natural gas or hydrogen filled up in my phone.

I'm pretty sure the iPhone battery issue is solved by iPhone 7 at the latest. IPhone 6 might get it done between a combination of a larger battery and more energy efficient OS and 20-nm CPU. Once the battery gets big enough, then it is good enough. iPads and Macbooks are at that stage. Only the iPhone remains to annoy us with dead batteries. If Iphone 6 doesn't solve this, then I'm sure iPhone 7 does.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 02:03 PM   #46
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"Fuel cell firm Intelligent Energy may be partnering with Apple."

The key here is that a company called Intelligent Energy already has fuel cell technology and intends to use them with portable devices, Apple wants to apply this technology to their own products. Apple isn't innovating anything here.

All that is happening "post-jobs" is still promoting a myth that Apple actually innovates and not just adapts other people's technology into their products.
If they're the first to get it right, they're innovating.
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Popular Science material. I haven't read Popular Science since they were obsessing over flying cars and 3-wheeled motorcycles, but I'll bet they're going nuts with graphene.
Actually a fcp laptop is less likely than a flying car.

But fcp has future where batteries often stays but rarely used : UPSs could be possible having an reasonable compact ups capable to power an workstation and it's peripherals by 8 hour on a single cell, and then this cell could be refilled by the owner or at a service center.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 02:35 PM   #48
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"Fuel cell firm Intelligent Energy may be partnering with Apple."

The key here is that a company called Intelligent Energy already has fuel cell technology and intends to use them with portable devices, Apple wants to apply this technology to their own products. Apple isn't innovating anything here.

All that is happening "post-jobs" is still promoting a myth that Apple actually innovates and not just adapts other people's technology into their products.
As others have already corrected you on... innovation and invention are two different things.

The iPhone was innovative. Did Apple invent the smart mobile phone? No. They took what was considered a smartphone to a whole new level and changed the entire landscape of the technology. Did Apple invent the tablet? No, they brought it to a whole new level of experience and expectation, to the point that it's changing the entire computing industry.

They did not take someone else's technology, slap their iPhone and iPad names onto it, and then call it their own. That was the essence of your post, wasn't it?

The same could be done with battery and fuel cell technology. The point is that we really don't know what Apple is going to do with this technology, but what we do know is that they will be applying tremendous engineering efforts to continue to create industry-changing advancements.
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I'm pretty sure the iPhone battery issue is solved by iPhone 7 at the latest. ... If Iphone 6 doesn't solve this, then I'm sure iPhone 7 does.
I'm curious what you mean by "iPhone battery issue"?

You seem to be suggesting that the iPhone has horrible battery life on a grand scale. Maybe that is a reality (yes, I charge my iPhone 4 every day, too). But what you're failing to identify is that there is a certain user responsibility to ensure that a device makes the most of its resources.

Let's use a car as an example. If the driver of a car never performed regular maintenance on it, then eventually the performance and efficiency of that car will degrade.

The same logic can be applied to a phone. If I use 10 apps in a given day, and leave them all running, how will my battery perform? Some of those apps may be doing stuff that is sucking up juice. I personally experience this. If I leave the Facebook app running, goodbye battery. Even my own bank's app, goodbye battery. Proactively quitting these apps preserves battery life by a very noticeable amount.

How about Bluetooth and Wi-Fi? If I leave those turned on while I don't need them, that's like leaving my car's windshield wipers going simply because I'm too lazy to turn them off. Those wipers are wasting energy (fuel).

So, my point is, it's as much the user's responsibility to maximize battery life as it is Apple's. I mention this because I'm curious if you are proactive in managing your phone's battery in these ways?
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