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maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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Why is it that people keep thinking that you would not be able to edit files if you stopped paying the subscription fee? You files are stored locally and are in industry standard file formats. You could edit the PSD, RAW or JPG files with other software.
Let me refine what I was saying. Edit it in LightRoom and use all of the features of LR since most of my images will be managed there. I'd rather not have all my edits in LR then need to export them out so I can edit it in another app. Plus there is something to be said for non destructive edits that LR does and PS doesn't do.
 

r.harris1

macrumors 68020
Feb 20, 2012
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Unless you buy a new camera that is no longer supported.
If they do go to a subscription only model, you can be sure they will turn off LR 5 support pretty quick.
Of course we are all blaming Adobe, but the real guilty party are the torrent and pirate guys who have been stoping potential sales. That's why the subscription model is going to be the future for a lot of software companies I'm afraid.

Maybe it is pirates, though to me its more likely that they wanted to expand their potential customer base. Far fewer customers would consider paying a rather large outlay on Adobe's professional software. I believe it is also possible to get CC pirated as well so those folks are still at it.
 

seadragon

Contributor
Mar 10, 2009
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Would you Adobe shills quit trying to convince people they want to pay monthly fees, no normal person does.

So, anyone that doesn't share your subscription phobia is a shill? An interesting, albeit immature conclusion. Then again, how do we know YOU'RE not a shill for a company trying to convince people that subscriptions are evil? LOL.

A "normal person" (whatever that really means) will accept the reality that Adobe has moved most of their products to a subscription model and make the choice to either stay with them or go somewhere else. Simple. But, I can't think of many "hobbies" that people aren't willing to spend 10 bucks a month on. How you view this as a "rip off" is baffling.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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That's why the subscription model is going to be the future for a lot of software companies I'm afraid.
Its not a new model, enterprise software has been subscription based since the get go. Other sectors in the software world are only now embracing it. Yet with that said, I'm not happy about it.

Still, as I compare LR, AP, and C1. LR has the most tools, features, and abilities then any of the others. Its tough to abandon a tool that does so much and is extensible, i.e., plugins for something that is going away, (aperture) or has less features (C1).
 

deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
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Would you Adobe shills quit trying to convince people they want to pay monthly fees, no normal person does.
This is an insulting and ignorant comment.

Try out your math skills a little bit and work out the cost of ownership of the software purchase model for Photoshop and Lightroom and compare it to the subscription model.

Show us where it costs less in aggregate to buy Photoshop plus Lightroom and buy upgrades.

Here's my take on the numbers:

Photoshop pricing has typically been $600-700 with upgrades priced at $180 to $200. Lightroom pricing has typically been $135 (street, $150 MSRP) with $75 to $80 upgrades.

Breakeven point if you buy PS+LR for $735 is at just over six years when compared to a $10/mo subscription price if you never upgrade either product. That puts you around four major versions behind if you assume an 18 month major version release cycle.

If you upgade every other major version at $255 for LR+PS upgrades you'll hit breakeven in about 21 years. If you upgrade at every major version (assuming again the 18 month cycle) the purchase model is never cheaper than the subscription model since $255 every 18 months is over $14 per month.

Show me where the number are wrong. (yes there's a huge assumption that the monthly cost remains at $10/mo -- but thats the figure we have today)


However, the subscription model is a poor value if you don't need/want/use Photoshop. LR only $135 initial cost with $75 every 18 months becomes cheaper per month a little before two years and continues its advantage thereafter. The question then is whether LR Mobile adds some sufficient value to justify the cost difference.
 

feveritt

macrumors newbie
Jan 17, 2012
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I have the same heartburn with Adobe and I did some searching for alternatives. I refuse to lease the software so I'm keeping my CS5 & LR4 until they don't work. In my research, I found a great alternative for editing. It's called "Perfect Effects" by Onone software. They have/had a free version that has reduced capabilities and a pay for version that's around $150. I use all three apps today but as Adobe goes away, I'll be using Onone exclusively.
 

deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
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to me its more likely that they wanted to expand their potential customer base. Far fewer customers would consider paying a rather large outlay on Adobe's professional software. I believe it is also possible to get CC pirated as well so those folks are still at it.

I agree -- for the enthusiast, it's much easier to pull the trigger on a $10/mo subscription than a $750 to $800 outlay. Not to mention it's a MUCH easier "sell" to their spouse/SO/parents/etc... :cool:

LR5.5 and CS6 are definitely out there in pirated form. So those whose integrity is worth less than $10 can certainly have LR + CS for only the cost of their time finding them (plus whatever else might ride along with the keygens and packages).

As outlined above; if you truly do need Photoshop then the numbers are in your favor. Thing is, there's simply not as much need for PS as there used to be before so much adjustment capability was available within LR.
 

MCAsan

macrumors 601
Jul 9, 2012
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Atlanta
This is an insulting and ignorant comment.
However, the subscription model is a poor value if you don't need/want/use Photoshop. LR only $135 initial cost with $75 every 18 months becomes cheaper per month a little before two years and continues its advantage thereafter. The question then is whether LR Mobile adds some sufficient value to justify the cost difference.

I totally agree. if you have long since moved on from PS, why would you want to pay $10 a month to only use LR? As for LR for iPad, when it the same capabilities as Lr on my rMBP, especially using plugins, let me know. My rMBP is just as mobile as my iPad Air. Both fit in my messenger bag. ;)
 

thedeske

macrumors 6502a
Feb 17, 2013
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Would you Adobe shills quit trying to convince people they want to pay monthly fees, no normal person does.

Those of us who dealt with the days of 600 to 1299 for the software were not exactly thrilled with the cost of admission either. There are always alternatives to using it, and pointing out the math in the discussion does not make one a Shill.

I hate the power company and I'd love to choke the CEO & Board of my ISP in public, but unfortunately I'm under their thumb in the current arrangement.
 

Razeus

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Jul 11, 2008
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Until they end support for it. I don't see them going full on subscription with LR. It's an added bonus to the Photoshop CC set. Most people don't even need Photoshop, but I suspect many more people could use a handy tool for managing, organizing, and editing photos such as LR.
 

576316

macrumors 601
May 19, 2011
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Adobe need to keep Lightroom as a one-time-only purchase and add Photo Stitch (panorama) and HDR capabilities into it. I feel these are the two functions of Photoshop which photographers would use and they'd make Lightroom a much more rounded piece of photography software. You'd literally be able to do everything you needed as a photographer right inside of Lightroom. I'm not entering into a CC subscription just for these two functions of Photoshop when I already own Lightroom. Please, Adobe, give me panoramas and HDR in Lightroom!
 

Apple fanboy

macrumors Ivy Bridge
Feb 21, 2012
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52,970
Behind the Lens, UK
Adobe need to keep Lightroom as a one-time-only purchase and add Photo Stitch (panorama) and HDR capabilities into it. I feel these are the two functions of Photoshop which photographers would use and they'd make Lightroom a much more rounded piece of photography software. You'd literally be able to do everything you needed as a photographer right inside of Lightroom. I'm not entering into a CC subscription just for these two functions of Photoshop when I already own Lightroom. Please, Adobe, give me panoramas and HDR in Lightroom!

Agree this would be great, but why would Adobe do this? They'd much rather see you enter into a CC subscription. Don't expect any extras to be added to LR (except new camera capabilities) anytime soon. Especially with Aperture now dead. I expect they will just wait and see what Photos is before making any plans.
By the way I use Nik's HDR plugin for HDR stuff. You can get it on a free trial here http://www.google.co.uk/nikcollection/products/hdr-efex-pro/
 

576316

macrumors 601
May 19, 2011
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Agree this would be great, but why would Adobe do this? They'd much rather see you enter into a CC subscription. Don't expect any extras to be added to LR (except new camera capabilities) anytime soon. Especially with Aperture now dead. I expect they will just wait and see what Photos is before making any plans.
By the way I use Nik's HDR plugin for HDR stuff. You can get it on a free trial here http://www.google.co.uk/nikcollection/products/hdr-efex-pro/

Yeah, Nik's stuff is quite good, I've used it a bit here and there over the years. Still yet to find any decent panorama alternatives to Photoshop. Only problem with Nik's stuff is that you don't appear to be able to buy the individual packages. It seems they're only offering the whole collection for $149 (£88).
 

Apple fanboy

macrumors Ivy Bridge
Feb 21, 2012
55,239
52,970
Behind the Lens, UK
Yeah, Nik's stuff is quite good, I've used it a bit here and there over the years. Still yet to find any decent panorama alternatives to Photoshop. Only problem with Nik's stuff is that you don't appear to be able to buy the individual packages. It seems they're only offering the whole collection for $149 (£88).

That's about a third of the old price since Google bought them. To be honest Silver Efex is great, as well as HDR Efex. Worth the price for those two IMO.
 
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