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Old Aug 15, 2014, 07:07 AM   #1
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Apple Now Using China Telecom as Data Center Provider in China




Apple has officially added China Telecom as a data center provider in China, reports The Wall Street Journal. The move comes after 15 months of "stringent tests and evaluation" by the Fuzhou city government, as Apple states that all data stored on the servers is encrypted. According to Reuters, Apple says the new data center will help improve the speed and reliability of iCloud and the iTunes Store in the region.
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"Apple takes user security and privacy very seriously. We have added China Telecom to our list of data center providers to increase bandwidth and improve performance for our customers in mainland China," it said.
The move could also help ease tensions between Apple and China as of late, as the country recently deemed iOS' location tracking services a "national security concern." Apple responded to those claims reiterating its commitment to privacy and stating that its Location Services exist to aide navigation features.

China has become an important market for Apple, as the company has looked to improve its presence in the country as of late. Late last year, the company started selling the iPhone on China Mobile, the country's biggest carrier, and opened more retail stores throughout the region. CEO Tim Cook has also made a number of visits to China, meeting with Bejing's mayor and the Chinese Vice Premier to discuss opportunities.

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Old Aug 15, 2014, 07:10 AM   #2
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"Apple takes user security and privacy very seriously."

Privacy, my ass...
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 07:42 AM   #3
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I just discovered Privacy > Location > Services > Popular Near Me.

What does that do? It sends off your location to Apple each time you launch an app. Why? So Apple can sell that app to other people near you.

I call BS they care about your privacy. I turned it off because it's been killing my 4S's battery by firing up my GPS every time I swap apps.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 08:26 AM   #4
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I just discovered Privacy > Location > Services > Popular Near Me.

What does that do? It sends off your location to Apple each time you launch an app. Why? So Apple can sell that app to other people near you.

I call BS they care about your privacy. I turned it off because it's been killing my 4S's battery by firing up my GPS every time I swap apps.
It's for the app store's popular near me section... its hardly violating your privacy since it only shows a list of popular apps in the area if a lot of users are using that app.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 08:47 AM   #5
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Knowing what we know about civil liberties and state surveillance in China, this is basically the same as Apple just handing over its Chinese customers' phones to the government.

$ > ethics.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 08:50 AM   #6
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Knowing what we know about civil liberties and state surveillance in China, this is basically the same as Apple just handing over its Chinese customers' phones to the government.

$ > ethics.
mm...what? how is that too different from NSA?
at least, the customers will now be spied by chinese people

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It's for the app store's popular near me section... its hardly violating your privacy since it only shows a list of popular apps in the area if a lot of users are using that app.
yep. the GPS never fires off...
and it very useful! thats how i found my local taxi has a really cool app! and now its one of my most fav apps
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 08:56 AM   #7
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how is that too different from NSA?
It's not.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 09:02 AM   #8
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I just discovered Privacy > Location > Services > Popular Near Me.

What does that do? It sends off your location to Apple each time you launch an app. Why? So Apple can sell that app to other people near you.

I call BS they care about your privacy. I turned it off because it's been killing my 4S's battery by firing up my GPS every time I swap apps.
You still have a 4S??? get with the times man!
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China, security and privacy in the same sentence LOL!
Funny how China does not use their typical response: Deny, deny, & deny
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 09:21 AM   #10
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Privacy?
Did they meant to spell Piracy?

China and privacy on the same sentence is already the biggest oxymoron.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 09:32 AM   #11
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I wonder whether the reports of the government "musing" about security was an effort to open, or further, a dialogue with Apple at subcontracting storage with a chinese IT company, or to push them to begin same rather than building up their own data center.

Given the long lead times for such projects, if such "musing" comes out shortly before the inaugural rather than the kick-off, then it is likely the government there is using the average citizen's ignorance of long-lead projects to raise the impression among its citizens that it quickly brought Apple to heel (and to take the political benefits from that.)
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 09:33 AM   #12
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Sales in China is already twice more than in Japan and about 1/3 of US.
There are a lot of people live in China, they are buying like crazy, and still the majority of population are poor.
It is natural to see opportunity in this market.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 09:36 AM   #13
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This makes me laugh. Privacy in China. Hell has to freeze over first. Not sure that will happen anytime soon. We will see how soon the first complaint will come that the data was breached.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 09:53 AM   #14
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Sales in China is already twice more than in Japan and about 1/3 of US.
There are a lot of people live in China, they are buying like crazy, and still the majority of population are poor.
It is natural to see opportunity in this market.
Hopefully it translates to more App downloads/sales. Personally Ive only seen a slight uptick in downloads from China over the past year.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 10:37 AM   #15
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Ok? Soooo, you are trusting a country who has leaks most ever in years of leaking pics! Not even going to talk about how they illegally copy everything under the sun??. This can't. Be good!!! Who going to watch every single employee every second of every day??? Go luck with!!!
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 10:39 AM   #16
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You still have a 4S??? get with the times man!
I still have a 4S, it works fine - no need to upgrade this month
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 10:40 AM   #17
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Everyone Wins…well,

Apple played right into the Chinese government's hands, probably by design.

China complains about iPhone security concerns (meaning they are too secure, but everyone reads it the other way 'round). Pressure mounts for Apple to choose a state controlled data center, which they do. Now the government has complete control over iPhone customers' content.

I expect the government in the near future to talk back their initial security concerns…everybody wins (except the Chinese citizens).
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 10:59 AM   #18
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Speaking of privacy, hidden under layers of menus, there is a setting in iOS 7 that is enabled by default called frequent locations. As the title suggests, it tracks wherever you go. You can disable it and delete the data that has been collected.

Settings > Privacy > Location Services > System Services, then disable the Frequent Locations option. Then clear history.

I don't think Apple should have that option on by default.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 11:20 AM   #19
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Do apple have data centre providers in most countries or is most of the traffic routed back to the states?
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 11:23 AM   #20
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This is a nice move by Apple. They’re not handing over the data to the NSA any more. Yes the Chinese MSS will now have access, but hey it’s not the job of US companies to tamper with foreign sovereign states. It’s Chinese data, let teh Chinese keep it. Yes China is a kind of totalitarian state. Is Apple the cause? No. Can Apple be the solution? No - if they don’t play ball they’ll just get blacklisted. Just imagine if a Chinese company refused to hand data over to the NSA in America. Oh wait, Huawei…

If the Chinese want to have a kind of soft revolution let them do it. Personally, I think many of complaints (even in China), are somewhat naive in wishing for radical change. Look at Iraq, Afganistan, South Africa (and they're probably the best of a bad bunch), Tunisia, Egypt, Syria to see what happens when a state is suddenly overthrown. Usually conditions deteriorate rapidly for the majority. The best that can happen is slow change, and that is what seems to be happening.
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Way to suck up to the Chinese and get your phones tapped at the same time.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:28 PM   #23
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I am going to guess that this data center is up for grabs by the Chinese government for snooping.

Now, are there any facades that blocks the Chinese data centers from accessing the US data centers?

Don't tell me "Its all encrypted!" Like that stopped anyone.
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I just discovered Privacy > Location > Services > Popular Near Me.

What does that do? It sends off your location to Apple each time you launch an app. Why? So Apple can sell that app to other people near you.

I call BS they care about your privacy. I turned it off because it's been killing my 4S's battery by firing up my GPS every time I swap apps.
Good idea. I just turned it off too to save battery. I also disabled location-based iAds and diagnostics/usage.

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I'm glad China Telecom is not my data center provider.
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This makes me laugh. Privacy in China. Hell has to freeze over first. Not sure that will happen anytime soon. We will see how soon the first complaint will come that the data was breached.
You are totally wrong. Unless you are a high-profile figure, you have a much much better chance to have privacy in China than in the US. The US NSA is much much more capable than the Chinese one, they are as immoral as each other, and as willing to invade everyone's privacy as each other.
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