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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:38 PM   #26
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Too bad. The company needed to raise the diversity percentages!

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By the way, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Apple went out of it's way to find this Black woman.
You seem to be focusing the most on the fact that she's black woman, rather than the focus of the article which is female leadership. Maybe a little off track?
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:38 PM   #27
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It is 100% not always a good thing. Diversity for the sake of numbers is actually a horrible thing, why not hire the best person no matter their race, sex or sexual orientation?
Yeah that's true, but I'm fairly certain apple wouldn't hire someone for an executive position based solely off of their diversity numbers. I've got faith that they can also do their job.

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How? Diversity is a crock of _ _ _ _ that was made up to make people feel bad.... You hire the people who are qualified and who are right for the job. This Diversity crap is what's wrong with todays USA. If the person is white, black, yellow, green, blue... You hiring the one who is qualified. You don't hiring the black one because you need more diversity. Same goes for sex.
You act like these people aren't qualified to do their job, and they were hired only for their effect on the numbers. That's absolutely asinine.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:40 PM   #28
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Except. How would you feel if somebody else that was less qualified than you got a job you’d worked damned hard and damned long for just because it was diverse?
So where does this happen?

I think only few equality advocates ask for positive discrimination in favour of equality. I think most would like companies to pay more attention to equality issues when hiring people, such as by making sure that ample candidates of different backgrounds are considered. For instance, in some sectors women are not as much encouraged to apply for higher positions as men are, which can result in a distorted equality ratio. Maybe the person hired isn’t always the best person for the job, but only the best candidate they considered. If a person of a different background isn’t even properly considered, that might affect the result. There is a wealth of research on this and it can’t simply be explained by ‘it should always be the best person for the job’.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:40 PM   #29
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You seem to be focusing the most on the fact that she's black woman, rather than the focus of the article which is female leadership. Maybe a little off track?
You've missed what I've said. That was a part of what I said after something else.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:40 PM   #30
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:40 PM   #31
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Except. How would you feel if somebody else that was less qualified than you got a job you’d worked damned hard and damned long for just because it was diverse?
This happened to my "white/middle-aged" father for 30 years in the California Community College system. Finished #2 for SO MANY exec positions. Justified reverse racism based on his physical appearance.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:42 PM   #32
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There are women at Apple?? I thought it was all robots.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:44 PM   #33
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Wrong. There are many qualified people that are overlooked because they aren't white and male.

It's more than qualifications. There is inherent bigotry everywhere.

White people are generally comfortable hiring more white males than minorities because they prefer their own kind.

Just like a white male prefers white girls to ethnic girls etc

That "preference" is unfair in the workforce that is real.

So get off your high horse
Wow, stereotype much...

I've been to a job interview where they tell you that they are hiring one woman and two minorities AFTER you have been grilled through the interview process.

They will hire these 3 people even if they do not qualify for the job because the city quota must be met.

So yea, hiring by diversity has its drawbacks.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:44 PM   #35
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Who says they aren't still hiring the person who is right for the job? It's not like hiring the person who is right for job and aiming for diversity are mutually exclusive.
He will most likely ignore your question. He seems determined to go on a tirade against hiring blacks.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:45 PM   #36
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Except. How would you feel if somebody else that was less qualified than you got a job you’d worked damned hard and damned long for just because it was diverse?
Do you have any evidence that these people were less qualified than their competition? These women could have easily been the most qualified for the position, and thus selected. The fact that their sex and race is different could just be happenstance
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:46 PM   #37
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White people are generally comfortable hiring more white males than minorities because they prefer their own kind.

Just like a white male prefers white girls to ethnic girls etc
People are more likely to hire people they'd like to date? I wonder why more white women aren't being employed
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:46 PM   #38
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You've missed what I've said. That was a part of what I said after something else.
The majority of your comments have anti-black undertones. Maybe you should go back and read your other 12 posts.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:47 PM   #39
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How? Diversity is a crock of _ _ _ _ that was made up to make people feel bad.... You hire the people who are qualified and who are right for the job. This Diversity crap is what's wrong with todays USA. If the person is white, black, yellow, green, blue... You hiring the one who is qualified. You don't hiring the black one because you need more diversity. Same goes for sex.
I'm sorry but its your opinion on the matter what is killing the US. Its all about different perspectives. If you hire 15 highly qualified middle aged white men, guess what? You get (roughly) the same perspective. But guess what? They want to market their products to people other than middle aged white men. Its not about having x amount of black people, and x amount of asians, its about getting the black or asian perspective. Surely you can comprehend that Tim Cook and Dr Dre have different back grounds and see the world differently. Thank goodness Cook understands, its how you make a better company.
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There are women at Apple?? I thought it was all robots.
For the time being, they have not been able to get the robots to make the tea and biscuits for the important meetings quite right yet
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Who says they aren't still hiring the person who is right for the job? It's not like hiring the person who is right for job and aiming for diversity are mutually exclusive.
Yeah they are, unless the people right for the job are 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 eastern Asian, and 50/50 male/female exactly.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:48 PM   #42
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Except. How would you feel if somebody else that was less qualified than you got a job you’d worked damned hard and damned long for just because it was diverse?
Probably nowhere near as bad as the better qualified person who didn't get the job because he was diverse and the employer wasn't. That's not some FUD story, its already happening, millions of times over.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 01:48 PM   #43
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Every time I see an article like this is makes me shake my head. I think MR posted something about this earlier in the week about Tim Cook being unhappy about lack of "color" in the Apple Stores. When in reality, white males are the majority of people who are not only going to apply for the job, but, qualify for the job. It's just how it is. I'm sorry but most black men do no focus on technology like white males do. Just like how Sports Stores who sell athletic shoes are more likely to have Black men than White men(or women). Is just how things are. Why is the NHL like 90+% white? Because HOCKEY is predominately a white sport that attracts white youth. Basketball attracts inner city black children and because of that the NBA is 85% black.

It's just how things are. There is nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is thinking it is wrong and coming up with these diversity problems. I'm sorry, but I just find it absolutely dumb.
There's something wrong in the fact that it never changes. "It's just how thing are" and accepting the way it is never advances anything. Diversity should be mandatory in all job fields IMO
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Picture of a black woman = diversity PR stunt?

Couldn't be about recognizing her contribution?
When it's a black person in a position of power, it couldn't possibly be because they were (GASP!) qualified for the job. No one is going to hire you for a job you are not qualified to do. That's just not how business works. That is lost on people on macrumors.
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He will most likely ignore your question. He seems determined to go on a tirade against hiring blacks.
Advocating the exclusion of race from the list of hiring qualifications makes you racist.

Gee, that's logical.
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Yeah they are, unless the people right for the job are 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 eastern Asian, and 50/50 male/female exactly.
MR users. Please don't feed this poster.
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I'm sorry but its your opinion on the matter what is killing the US. Its all about different perspectives. If you hire 15 highly qualified middle aged white men, guess what? You get (roughly) the same perspective. But guess what? They want to market their products to people other than middle aged white men. Its not about having x amount of black people, and x amount of asians, its about getting the black or asian perspective. Surely you can comprehend that Tim Cook and Dr Dre have different back grounds and see the world differently. Thank goodness Cook understands, its how you make a better company.
Oh, i had no idea that peoples ideas and the way they designed phones, computers and develop software, that those abilities sits in the skin color.......also, because people have different skin colors does not mean they have different backgrounds. This may be news to you but even people with same skin color, gender and age can have completely diverse perspectives.
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Diversity for its own sake can increase group creativity

One reason we want to have an eye towards diversity is fairness: There are people who might be overlooked as a result of unconscious prejudices. Being diversity conscious helps us to ensure that ethnicity and gender are NOT considerations when choosing to hire someone. For instance, some aspects of a person's background can be evaluated by people who are looking at a resume, completely unaware of a person's race.

However, there's another good reason to consciously encourage diversity: We want to avoid creating a monoculture. Let's say there are open positions for some engineering team, and by coincidence, all the top candidates are all from Elmira, NY. Individually, they are the most qualified. But that doesn't mean they will make the most competitive team. Coming all from the same background, there are alternatives to ideas they grew up with that they are all unaware of. This will reduce the creative potential of the team. By including less (but sufficiently) qualified people on the team that are from more diverse backgrounds, they will bring to the table a greater diversity of ideas (and some fundamentally different ways of thinking) that lead to better and more creative solutions.

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"Why is it that the NFL or NBA always have more black people? Where is the diversity there?"
Funny thing is, in the fifties NBA had almost only white folks, and the unwritten rule was maximum 2 black players per team. Now it's the other way around. Why? Because you hire who's better, not just for the sake of having somebody different. But no, Apple needs diversity for the sake of diversity. Cook is trippin. I still love Apple but they concentrate a lot on stupid things.
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