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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:19 AM   #1
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More Evidence of NFC Support for Both iPhone 6 Models




Last week, Chinese repair firm GeekBar shared a claimed schematic for the iPhone 6 showing what was claimed to be the pinning diagram for the device's rumored near field communications (NFC) chip. The part addressed on the schematic, PN65V, was thought to be a version of NXP's PN65 NFC package currently used in several Android devices.

The leak is one of several schematics shared by GeekBar over the past week and a half, and while some of the components have been misidentified, it is looking increasingly likely that the schematics themselves are legitimate. Seen in that light, it is worth taking a look back at the NFC claim to see if there is additional evidence for it.

Closeup of 4.7-inch iPhone 6 logic board with likely NFC chip location boxed in red, LTE modem boxed in green
MacRumors forum member chrmjenkins has pointed us toward a document showing the package used by NXP for its PN65, noting that it measures 5 mm x 5 mm with 32 terminals for connectivity. In examining the bare logic boards from the 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch iPhone 6 models, chrmjenkins believes he has spotted where that chip will be located.

Broader view showing likely NFC chip location boxed in red: 4.7-inch iPhone 6, iPhone 5s, 5.5-inch iPhone 6 (left to right)
The location on the board is a square patch that does not correspond to any component from the iPhone 5s logic board, indicating that it may indeed be for a new component such as an NFC chip. Existing components may of course see changes in shape between generations, but many of the current major components can be mapped reasonably well to locations on the iPhone 6 logic boards, leaving relatively few candidates for this new square patch.

Rumors of NFC for the iPhone have circulated for years, but they have yet to come to fruition. As a result, this year's crop of NFC rumors has understandably been greeted with skepticism, although the volume and specificity of the rumors has seemed greater this time around, with multiple sources pointing toward an NXP chip solution for the iPhone. And with Apple rumored to be making a push into mobile payments as soon as later this year, the time may finally be right for Apple to bring NFC to the iPhone.

Article Link: More Evidence of NFC Support for Both iPhone 6 Models
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:23 AM   #2
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Bleh - I'm interested to see how this will work with Passbook.....

But I really think NFC belongs in the iWatch for payments.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:23 AM   #3
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If and when the iPhone gets NFC capabilities, it will be huge. Not because it'll be the first, it won't be, but because it'll boost the install-base of devices supporting NFC that venders and stations will really operate to include the tech moving forward.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:24 AM   #4
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welcome to 2012 again? I don't think I've ever seen this in action.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:24 AM   #5
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It's actually the wireless charging piece, not NFC.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:25 AM   #6
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Once Apple introduces it, the relevance of the technology shall immensely increase. It'll be integrated everywhere allover the world. Personally, I recently purchased a NFC-enabled 3.5'' Headphone Bluetooth Adapter from Sony, I can't wait to use it on the next iPhone more easily.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:25 AM   #7
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In other words, still unconfirmed.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:26 AM   #8
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It's actually the wireless charging piece, not NFC.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:27 AM   #9
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Skeptical

Two things--

1) That spot on the logic board could really be for any chip that size. The fact that there is a chip that size for NFC and that it is used in some cell phones does not mean that is what that spot is for.

2) NFC has been available as a technology for quite some time, and Apple launched Passbook without it. NFC doesn't seem to be gaining any market traction? So why now? Is it that it just wasn't a priority and they finally got around to it after accomplishing the other things on the list? Or did their opinion about the value of NFC change?
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:30 AM   #10
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Does anyone really care about NFC?
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:31 AM   #11
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NFC has been available as a technology for quite some time, and Apple launched Passbook without it. NFC doesn't seem to be gaining any market traction?
Apple is profoundly good at giving things like this traction.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:31 AM   #12
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welcome to 2012 again? I don't think I've ever seen this in action.
:YAWN: you made me yawn, did I take a time machine back to 2012? LAME!

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Does anyone really care about NFC?
Nope... not at all. Not even remotely.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:32 AM   #13
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I'll say it again: pay more attention to Ming-Chi Kuo next time.

Every time he predicts something, people are quick to generalize 'analysts' and point out how often they're wrong.

Ming-Chi Kuo, while not 100% reliable, is a lot more reliable than other analysts. He constantly make correct predictions that are not obvious at all and clearly more than educated guesses.

And while we're at it, also don't automatically dismiss a rumor coming from a 'random blogger' if he's Mark Gurman.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:34 AM   #14
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And in a few hours we will get another article saying that it wasn't NFC but something else.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:34 AM   #15
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I feel like the circled part just looks like a dead-on shot of a ZIF.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:36 AM   #16
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Won't be standard NFC

It won't be a standard NFC chip. It will be a chip that is capable of using for "tap-to-pay" using only your phone and fingerprint scanner or password protected phone.
Credit card companies will jump on this because it reduces the chance of people losing their cards and others using an unsecured tap-to-pay.
The Only reason Apple is adding this chip will be to get into the payment side of things at storefronts.
It will save credit card companies millions.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:38 AM   #17
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I just noticed yesterday that Apple Retail employees are using new EasyPays for for checkout/scheduling (I worked there for 4 years, so I'm a nerd and notice these things.). The new models have NFC on them. I doubt Apple would go to the trouble of updating/replacing their fleet of checkout devices just to accept payment from competitors' devices. The new iPhone will have NFC. I bet an appendage on it. Anyone up for the challenge? Whoever loses the bet loses an arm. Pics get posted to Macrumors.
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Two things--

1) That spot on the logic board could really be for any chip that size. The fact that there is a chip that size for NFC and that it is used in some cell phones does not mean that is what that spot is for.
Those pads are clearly in an area of the board dedicated to RF communication components. It is always possible, but I know of no other part with that pinout. Also, most of the other parts are accounted for.


I should have sent another link to show the pads are correct. Here's the diagram for solder reflow (actually attaching it to the board): http://www.nxp.com/documents/reflow_...ot617-1_fr.pdf
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:40 AM   #19
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This feature will be about the only thing dragging me up to a 4.7inch phablet... rather than getting my 32GB TouchID upgrade from a discounted 5S.
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This feature will be about the only thing dragging me up to a 4.7inch phablet... rather than getting my 32GB TouchID upgrade from a discounted 5S.
4.7 is a phablet now? Hah! Then my Note 3 is what then?
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:43 AM   #21
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If NFC is coming I'm guessing the antenna will be utilizing the new iPhone logo cut-out.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:43 AM   #22
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Those pads are clearly in an area of the board dedicated to RF communication components. It is always possible, but I know of no other part with that pinout. Also, most of the other parts are accounted for.


I should have sent another link to show the pads are correct. Here's the diagram for solder reflow (actually attaching it to the board): http://www.nxp.com/documents/reflow_...ot617-1_fr.pdf
Logic board have 28 terminal contacts, and NXP's document says their chip have 32 terminals (8 on each side).
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:44 AM   #23
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welcome to 2012 again? I don't think I've ever seen this in action.
Yawn because it's old, yet you haven't seen it in action. Uh, you know inclusion in the iPhone probably means the beginning of mainstream acceptance. So you wouldn't be yawning because you'd be seeing it in action.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:45 AM   #24
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This report is all wrong. There is no 5.5" iPhone.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 10:47 AM   #25
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Does anyone really care about NFC?
Maybe not yet, but they will.

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This report is all wrong. There is no 5.5" iPhone.
Link to some evidence? Or are you just goin off the ol' gut?
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