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aham23

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Oct 31, 2011
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Current Single line, use (8-11gb/mo), grandfathered unlimited data plan $30, unlimited text plan $20, talk $40, total =$100 after taxes

With me ordering the iPhone 6+ under a 2yr contract plan:
$399 + tax = $427
activation = $40
monthly bill = $100 after taxes roughly
total for 12 months = $1667 spent
total for 24 months = $2867 spent
*can also pay EFT at $325 prorated to get out of contract

NEXT plan:
12 plan, 20mo payments = $42.50
monthly 10gb = $100
single line = $15
total monthly = $167.50 after taxes roughly
total for 12 months = $2010
total for 24 months = $4020

So can someone clarify as to why everyone is so big on the NEXT plan? I cant justify that much of a price hike to tether and even though I'm throttled after 5gb, Pandora still works flawlessly.

Even the AT&T guy today said don't get rid of my unlimited plan.

Does this make sense?

apples to cucumbers Mr Troll.
 

kokonutz

macrumors member
Jul 31, 2013
37
2
Correct. I was contenplating going to next and the mobile share because i would then get the $25 discount making it $100 10gb plan + $15 line access.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. It would ONLY be cheaper provided that you are comparing 2-year contract prices versus ATT Next prices, and it would only be cheaper if you were getting a 10gb plan (which a lot of people do).

Edit: Also, it becomes exponentially cheaper if you have other users on your account (25$ discount per line)

Edit 2: They let you keep the unlimited line with a 2-year contract? That's awesome. Everyone I know is forced to switch over or buy the phone outright. Which many of them do.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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I have the 750 minute plan with like 3000 rollover minutes at disposal. I do get throttled but after 5gb but it still streams pandora perfectly fine. I spend alot of time in my jeep so its always streaming music.

Yeah if minutes don't matter it sounds like you are better off on the sub. I need a ton of minutes, some months I may use 2000 to 3000 minutes so the unlimited works nicely.
 

fishmd

macrumors 68000
Jun 18, 2008
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Sunny South Florida
I worked the numbers out for me as well and it just doesn't make sense.

I have the 2GB plan for 2 phones (total 4GB). The kicker is, my 20% corporate discount gets applied to more of the fees for the old Family plans than it does for the new Family Share plan. So even with the $25/month savings per line, and the cost of the phones, NEXT comes out more expensive for me.

And that's BEFORE I sell my phone on eBay for the same or more than what I paid for it on a 2 yr contract.

Just doesn't make sense.

Now:
$50 first phone (550 minutes, with rollover and we have 2,500 rollover minutes)
$9.99 second phone
$25 2 GB first phone
$25 2 GB second phone
$30 unlimited text
Total - $139.99 before tax
Discount of 20% off qualifying fees - $20
Final before tax - $119.99

$299 phone (sold for at least $299 after 2 years)
$199 phone (sold for at least $199 after 2 years)

So, there's really no added cost for the phones in my case.

NEXT
$145 (includes $25 discount off the $40 "access charge" per phone, 4 GB plan)
$37.50 first phone
$32.50 second phone
Total - $215
Less 20% off qualifying fees - $16
Final before tax - $199.

So I am getting tethering, unlimited talk (which is moot) and the ability to upgrade phones without any phone selling hassle for $80 per month? Not worth it to me.

While it may not work out for you, I will tell you in your case it is actually cheaper to go with the shared 10 GB of data for the two phones. Comes out to 130$ per month. + your discount of 20$ (20% off 100$). SO 110$/m before taxes.
 

potaco

macrumors regular
Mar 12, 2010
152
4
Correct. I was contenplating going to next and the mobile share because i would then get the $25 discount making it $100 10gb plan + $15 line access.

Another big draw of the Mobile Share plan is that it tended to drop bills for a lot of people with 2+ lines because it allowed you to buy a bucket of data at a certain price and then "share" that data relatively cheaply for each new line instead of paying for data on each.

For example, your one line would go from $100ish (with your current unlimited plan) to $130ish (with $100 of data and $15 to connect a line to that data and some extra for tax). Not great, considering you also give up your subsidized pricing.

For someone with four lines, they could have gone from $280ish (on an older plan...$70 for voice, $10/additional line to join the plan, $30 for unlimited text for all, $30/line for unlimited data, and some for tax) to $180ish ($100 of data, $15 per line, and tax).

The unlimited plan would have offered $450 worth of subsidy per phone every two years, so $1800 worth of "free" money to put towards phones... however, saving $100/mo ends up being $2400 over two years, so they would actually come out $600 ahead even though they are now paying full price for their phones on AT&T Next.
 

billycuth

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Jul 31, 2010
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While it may not work out for you, I will tell you in your case it is actually cheaper to go with the shared 10 GB of data for the two phones. Comes out to 130$ per month. + your discount of 20$ (20% off 100$). SO 110$/m before taxes.
except. I still have to shell out $70 per month for the phones. Phones I cannot sell myself - so I can't recover that $840 out of pocket.
 

Udh20skier

macrumors member
Original poster
Sep 20, 2012
52
2
Thanks for the feedback. I honestly am just torn between switching over to the NEXT and mobile share plan. (Tethering & no throttling when i need it would be nice. I also know i will be adding my gf to my plan eventually, so then it would only cost another $15).

At&t confirmed that i could bring my iphone 6+ 64gb in this weekend and be refunded my $427 and sign up for NEXT so then would be my opp to switch to mobile share plan.
 

potaco

macrumors regular
Mar 12, 2010
152
4
except. I still have to shell out $70 per month for the phones. Phones I cannot sell myself - so I can't recover that $840 out of pocket.

Once the phones are paid off, you can do whatever you want with them. You have the "option" of trading them in after 12/18 months (depending on which AT&T Next plan you go with), but you are not obligated to.
 

billycuth

macrumors 6502a
Jul 31, 2010
754
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Once the phones are paid off, you can do whatever you want with them. You have the "option" of trading them in after 12/18 months (depending on which AT&T Next plan you go with), but you are not obligated to.

I did not realize that. So if I hang onto them for 20 months, I can upgrade again and sell the phones. That's not bad.

Problem is, I'd want to upgrade after 12 months... :p

edit - the other problem is, the out of pocket has then almost doubled. Now $1,400 instead of only $840.
 

potaco

macrumors regular
Mar 12, 2010
152
4
I did not realize that. So if I hang onto them for 20 months, I can upgrade again and sell the phones. That's not bad.

Problem is, I'd want to upgrade after 12 months... :p

edit - the other problem is, the out of pocket has then almost doubled. Now $1,400 instead of only $840.

You can pay off the balance whenever, so you could still upgrade at 12 months. Really, you're just buying the phone at full price, but AT&T allows you to finance it for 0% for 18-24 months if you want.

And while the out of pocket for the devices might have almost doubled, ideally your plan cost went down, too.
 

billycuth

macrumors 6502a
Jul 31, 2010
754
75
You can pay off the balance whenever, so you could still upgrade at 12 months. Really, you're just buying the phone at full price, but AT&T allows you to finance it for 0% for 18-24 months if you want.

And while the out of pocket for the devices might have almost doubled, ideally your plan cost went down, too.

I understand that, but the plan is only going down by $20 per month. So it's $55 out of pocket over 20 months, or $1,100 more than what I am doing now. For me, because I sell my own phones for what I paid for them (subsidized) it just does not make sense.
 

aham23

macrumors regular
Oct 31, 2011
230
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I understand that, but the plan is only going down by $20 per month. So it's $55 out of pocket over 20 months, or $1,100 more than what I am doing now. For me, because I sell my own phones for what I paid for them (subsidized) it just does not make sense.

the cost of the phone isnt the intial subsidized cost though. this is what people dont seem to get.

199 plus 40 out of pocket initially. then 40 per month for the next 24 months (actually forever, but....). that is the cost of the phone you are paying.
 

billycuth

macrumors 6502a
Jul 31, 2010
754
75
the cost of the phone isnt the intial subsidized cost though. this is what people dont seem to get.

199 plus 40 out of pocket initially. then 40 per month for the next 24 months (actually forever, but....). that is the cost of the phone you are paying.

It does not matter how you slice it out, I am still paying less now.

119.99 month for service, $0 out of pocket (after sale of phone)

Now - $100 month for service, $75 out of pocket for phones.

It still comes out to be more.
 

aham23

macrumors regular
Oct 31, 2011
230
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good for you. i wasnt questioning your numbers just informing you the cost of the device isn't what you stated it to be. later.
 

potaco

macrumors regular
Mar 12, 2010
152
4
It does not matter how you slice it out, I am still paying less now.

119.99 month for service, $0 out of pocket (after sale of phone)

Now - $100 month for service, $75 out of pocket for phones.

It still comes out to be more.

Maybe I need to take another look, but I'm not understanding your numbers. One post says the 4GB Mobile Share Value Plan would be $145/mo for your 2 lines (which isn't right) and that the phones would be $70/mo on Next... Then this post says $100/mo and $75/mo for phones?

I'm also not understanding why you are taking the phone sales into consideration for your contract calculations but not the Mobile Share calculations. You have the same ability to resell with either plan.

EDIT: I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, just that the numbers seem off. There's a very good chance that your existing contract ends up being cheaper than switching.
 
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billycuth

macrumors 6502a
Jul 31, 2010
754
75
Maybe I need to take another look, but I'm not understanding your numbers. One post says the 4GB Mobile Share Value Plan would be $145/mo for your 2 lines (which isn't right) and that the phones would be $70/mo on Next... Then this post says $100/mo and $75/mo for phones?

I'm also not understanding why you are taking the phone sales into consideration for your contract calculations but not the Mobile Share calculations. You have the same ability to resell with either plan.

I changed numbers because someone threw me a curveball with the 10GB share plan. Those numbers were correct.

I also incorrectly listed the monthly price of the phones because the ones I would want both cost $37.50 per month, not $32.50 and $37.50.

I am not taking into account the phone sales on Next, because I know myself - I will trade in after 12 months, not hold for 20 months and sell and start over. It just will not happen.

The $145 for the 4GB share plan came right from ATTs website in a side by side comparison of my bill now and what it could be. I only get a $14 discount through my company, instead of $20. However, I think this price was showing because I had already ordered my iPhone 6, so it wasn't giving me the $15 discount on the second line's access charge.

So here's what I guess it could be (as simple as I can get)

Now:
Only 4GB Data (2GB each), 550 minutes (w/ rollover, 2500 in the bank), unlimited text
$119 per month service
$340 out of pocket for phone (our phones are on alternating schedule - only one eligible for upgrade each year)
-$40 activation credit
$340 out of pocket for phone
-$40 activation credit
-$600 sales of phones
Total 20 Month cost - $2399.80

Next:
10 GB shared data, unlimited calling, tethering, unlimited text
$100 per month service
$37.50 per month phone
$37.50 per month phone
Sell phones after 20 months - $600
Total 20 month cost - $2,900

Still works out in my favor to stay as is.

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good for you. i wasnt questioning your numbers just informing you the cost of the device isn't what you stated it to be. later.

Oh, that the subsidized cost of the phone isn't hidden in my bill? That's well known by everyone.

That's why it is dumb NOT to upgrade your phone as soon as you can - because otherwise you continue to pay for your phone. Phone companies love that.

However, that wasn't what this discussion is about, so your post adds no value. Sorry.

Later.
 

Flyfrnk1624

macrumors member
Jan 6, 2009
31
0
Buffalo, NY
I have a question that may or may not have been answered (I haven't seen it answered yet).

My wife and I are typically pretty clumsy with our phones, and within our 2 year contract, one phone always gets smashed, broken, dropped in a pool, etc. In the past, we would sell the damaged phone (if it wasn't covered under Applecare) for what we could get for it, and then just buy another iPhone on eBay or Craigslist (surprising that the difference isn't always that drastic).

How would that work if it were to happen on the NEXT plan? Obviously we would have to keep paying the monthly fee on the device that we may have just sold for the 20 or 24 months, but could I activate a different phone on my plan, other than the one I bought in it's place? Would I have to pay off the other device in full before I could activate the new phone in its place? Could I trade in the newly purchased phone at the 12 or 18 month mark (if it's the same make/model)? This is the biggest confusion for me.
 
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