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ratsg

macrumors 6502
Dec 6, 2010
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Be careful with checks/cheques.

First of all, it's a paper document with your name, address and bank account number on it. That alone should give people pause. To think that people were encouraged to put their SSN on it too.... shudder...

On top of that, be careful in paying by check. There are quite a few places out there that now stipulate in their T&Cs that if you pay by check, they'll scrape your bank information from the check, and start pulling funds from that account monthly. If I recall right, Verizon was one of those companies.

Oh heck no.

I have no personal identifying information on my checks aside from my name. No address, city, state, etc.

And even my name that is printed on the check, I only give initials for my first and middle name.
 

smithrh

macrumors 68030
Feb 28, 2009
2,722
1,730
I have no personal identifying information on my checks aside from my name. No address, city, state, etc.

And even my name that is printed on the check, I only give initials for my first and middle name.

Very wise. Most people have far too much information on their checks.

Unfortunately, many times your check will be paired with a bill, which would have the rest of the information needed by a miscreant.

I just don't like having any information at all associated with my bank account number.
 

malman89

macrumors 68000
May 29, 2011
1,651
6
Michigan
Chase gives you three checks when you open a checking account. Didn't they used to give out an entire book's worth? lol

I opened my Chase checking when it was Bank One here about 15 years ago. I got a half book of checks.

WTF, was that to transfer between accounts at the same bank? Or different banks?

I think even my credit union charges me to do an electronic transfer to a different bank (not $8, never had to do one though) but charging for transfers at the same bank is unheard of, or so I thought.



Hah, I never knew anyone at the bank even read those, I thought the entire check process was completely automated. Wonder who the poor sap is who spends their day looking at check memos, flagging anything "inappropriate".

Those transfer fees sound awful. I have four automatic savings accounts (Auto, Education, Wedding Savings, Emergency Savings), one through CapitalOne360 (formerly ING) and three through Ally. I think it's 6 free transfers per account, per month, for the online savings. That's more than enough for me, even after automated Roth IRA withdrawals. I've never seen a fee from Chase for my automatic transfers (3/week) or the manual transfers I initiate, solely between my other bank accounts. I just have a checking and credit card at Chase.
 

Happybunny

macrumors 68000
Sep 9, 2010
1,792
1,389
I think nobody here in the Netherlands would know what to do with a check.

Checks started to die out in 1985 with the ATM, Pin Automat, the last check I personally wrote was in 1988.
 

Gregg2

macrumors 604
May 22, 2008
7,188
1,179
Milwaukee, WI
There are quite a few places out there that now stipulate in their T&Cs that if you pay by check, they'll scrape your bank information from the check, and start pulling funds from that account monthly. If I recall right, Verizon was one of those companies.

Until there are no longer businesses that do not do this, I will not be doing business with ones that do!

The majority of checks I write are to charity, mostly due to the fact that I physically show up at church and take a check.
 

samiwas

macrumors 68000
Aug 26, 2006
1,598
3,579
Atlanta, GA
I don't ever use checks at stores or anything, but I use them frequently for paying bills. A lot of places don't have an option to use a card.
 

jim.hickman.777

macrumors regular
Sep 14, 2014
136
0
Don't have to use credit cards here in small town America we have store accounts and counter checks don't even have to take my wallet shopping...
 

ratsg

macrumors 6502
Dec 6, 2010
382
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anywhere I can pay in person, cash is king.

Anything else, i.e. gas, Internet, mortgage, insurance gets a check.
 

Huntn

macrumors Core
May 5, 2008
23,476
26,596
The Misty Mountains
I was at a Publix (southern grocery store chain) today and got stuck waiting in line for fifteen minutes while the cashier called her manager CONVINCED the guy in front of me was trying to scam her because he hadn't written anything on the Memo line of his check and didn't see a need to do so when the cashier insisted the line couldn't be left blank.

Thought it was funny how this analog payment form, once universally understood is now able to confuse young people used to swiping and tapping.

But then... the dude could have just scribbled "food" on the "for" line and let us all get about the rest of our day :rolleyes:

This is hilarious! :)

LOL. Checks go through instantly these days. If you use them at a grocery store, it's like using a debit card.

Having to fill out memo? Then what the heck is Pay to the Order of for?!

Granted, I've not used a check at a store in over a decade, but what you saying? Doesn't the cashier, just examine the check against ID, and then file it in her cash drawer to be submitted to the bank later?Are you saying there is some kind of cross check run on it by the cashier?
 

Jessica Lares

macrumors G3
Oct 31, 2009
9,612
1,056
Near Dallas, Texas, USA
Granted, I've not used a check at a store in over a decade, but what you saying? Doesn't the cashier, just examine the check against ID, and then file it in her cash drawer to be submitted to the bank later?Are you saying there is some kind of cross check run on it by the cashier?


They run it into a machine. It's like using a paper debit card. They file it still of course, but that's just to have proof in case you do try and report it to your bank or whatever.

They still ID you too.
 

Huntn

macrumors Core
May 5, 2008
23,476
26,596
The Misty Mountains
No, it reads the numbers and just asks the bank to give it to them whether you have the funds or not, and then it processes the next day or within the day.

So it's really not so differnt other than they have the cashier doing what used to be done by bean counters in the back room. :D I assume physical checks still make their way back to the parent bank.
 

ElectronGuru

macrumors 68000
Sep 5, 2013
1,656
489
Oregon, USA
The universality with which Europeans stopped using checks and Americans didn't, tells me this isn't personal choice or decision making but rather technical, legal, or cultural differences. So there's either an advantage to check alternatives that doesn't exist in the states or this is another case of imperial vs metric.

For example, wire transfers states can have fees of $10-20 and are generally reserved for high values, like buying a house or car. Are you guys really paying $10 to wire money for a $25 payment?
 

Happybunny

macrumors 68000
Sep 9, 2010
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The universality with which Europeans stopped using checks and Americans didn't, tells me this isn't personal choice or decision making but rather technical, legal, or cultural differences. So there's either an advantage to check alternatives that doesn't exist in the states or this is another case of imperial vs metric.

For example, wire transfers states can have fees of $10-20 and are generally reserved for high values, like buying a house or car. Are you guys really paying $10 to wire money for a $25 payment?

I can only answer for the Netherlands, a major difference is to have an Account at a bank costs you a fixed amount per year. Average cost is €25.

But there are no costs for Chip and Pin transactions, Transfer of funds via E-Banking (to any other EURO country). Automatic debit is also free, Giro is also free.

If I transfer money via the E-Banking those funds are within seconds by the retailer.

Using your Pin Pass in the rest of EU is also free. Outside the EU charges are made.
 

takao

macrumors 68040
Dec 25, 2003
3,827
605
Dornbirn (Austria)
For example, wire transfers states can have fees of $10-20 and are generally reserved for high values, like buying a house or car. Are you guys really paying $10 to wire money for a $25 payment?

using online banking i pay 0€ for normal SEPA transfers

i have a yearly fee for my account (~80 bucks) but i have a few hundred free transfers,onlinebanking,debit card with NFC pay pass with which i can access multiple accounts and everything included.

i honestly tried to look up how much a cashing in a cheque does cost but they don't even have those fees listed on their homepage anymore.
i only know that cashing in a US dollar or UK pound cheque can be quite expensive (>20€)
 

Jessica Lares

macrumors G3
Oct 31, 2009
9,612
1,056
Near Dallas, Texas, USA
The universality with which Europeans stopped using checks and Americans didn't, tells me this isn't personal choice or decision making but rather technical, legal, or cultural differences. So there's either an advantage to check alternatives that doesn't exist in the states or this is another case of imperial vs metric.

For example, wire transfers states can have fees of $10-20 and are generally reserved for high values, like buying a house or car. Are you guys really paying $10 to wire money for a $25 payment?

Chase charges you to use an ATM that isn't theirs, and a fee for not using your account, they don't charge you to deposit, or to write checks. The ones who do are the places you write one for, but that would be like doctor's/government office and not so much a grocery store or the mall.

Most of the checks my parents write are for my brother's school. Fundraising, school pictures, and the like are still check only.
 

ElectronGuru

macrumors 68000
Sep 5, 2013
1,656
489
Oregon, USA
Thanks for the info! It sounds like people in both places are incentivized to go with cheaper. In the EU, you buy an account and get free E transfers, like minutes on a cell plan (?). In the US, anything not cash or check has individual (per transaction) fees, unless buying from a store, where the store pays the fees. Our only option for feeless paying to people who don't have store fronts is with cash and checks.

When I pay vendors, they always prefer checks. When I pay bills for services (like electricity), I can pay buy check or pay extra to cover the fees to use a CC, so it's only done when in a hurry. Same goes for annual tax payments, state and federal both paid by check*. The only example I have of free person to person E transfer is my rent, and that's only because we have the same bank.

* monthly business taxes like payroll are electronic
 

snberk103

macrumors 603
Oct 22, 2007
5,503
91
An Island in the Salish Sea
Ironically, I pay most of my bills either online or via debit card - from my 'chequing' account (sorry, Canadian spelling of 'check').

Though I do go through a few cheques each month too. Mostly to pay local people who run their own businesses. Saves them the credit card fees, and since its local cheques are considered safe and convenient.
 

12vElectronics

macrumors 68040
Jul 19, 2013
3,947
1,246
California
As a business owner I'll agree with you only if YOU pay the merchant fees associated with credit/debit card transactions. Otherwise, I'll stick to cheques.

I'm a business owner. I gladly pay the merchant fees. There are business advantages to accepting Visa/Mastercard/Amex/Discover etc.
 
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