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Kids are now bending iPhones in Apple Stores
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The solution to this situation is probably pretty clear to most parents. I would be marching my child straight to the Apple Store and he would be admitting to what he did and apologizing for bending that phone! I would pull out my wallet and pay for the damaged phone! My child would be selling off their cherished gadgets to repay me. Any smartphone he owns would be taken away and replaced with a dumb device used only for emergency contact! Since my kid has obviously proven they exercise poor judgement in response to thInge they view on the internet they would be losing all web access except for school work and that access would take place in a open spot in my home under direct supervision. Facebook and YouTube accounts would also be closed as they have proven they can't handle them.
I would probably also ground him and/ or restrict their access to each other...as they don't make good choices when they are together.
I would probably also ground him and/ or restrict their access to each other...as they don't make good choices when they are together.
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The Plus is too big to keep in a tight pants front pocket. I don't need that to happen to me to see that obvious fact, just like I don't need to chop off my own hand to know it would hurt.
But common sense is too much to ask for in today's world. As with everything else, doing stupid things is now someone else's fault.
You're on the right track in a lot of your post, but I don't understand the reticence to employ restitution and community service as punishment for the crimes they committed? One of the biggest problems in the U.S. criminal justice system is that we don't employ these kinds of punishments enough; Americans are way too eager to see everyone do some time thinking that it has some kind of magical rehabilitative effect on criminals, which we know is not true. We should make people pay restitution and perform community service more, not toss that away along with jail time; the two are not the same, and the former actually could have some rehabilitative impact while providing a positive contribution to the community.
Recidivism is a huge problem, but the reasons are far more complex than you've alluded to in your post. Americans are obsessed with the concept of hard justice; an eye for an eye if you will. The idea that criminals should be shown some mercy and humanity and be guided on a path towards becoming a productive member of society through education and social programs while in prison is a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. And, frankly, it is a complex issue that requires more than a cursory glance, and most Americans (and western powers in general) have a hard time getting invested enough in anything that doesn't directly affect them to get educated on the matter and so they look for quick, simple answers.
If you really want to get into a serious look at why the U.S. has such a huge per capita incarceration rate, though, we have to discuss the incredibly faulty and socially injust drug laws in this country, but that's not a discussion for MacRumors.
The potential for punishment is not a disincentive for those already motivated and willing to commit crimes, but by and large it is a contributing factor to ensuring a cohesive society governed by laws. People don't by and large go flying down the freeway at whatever speed they like because of the potential for being caught and paying a fine. The real problem is that punishment by itself does not rehabilitate, and thus punishment by itself is not an effective means by which to help reduce crime in areas where criminals thrive.
I think you have just shared there what any good parent would do and I would do exactly the same as yourself.
Kids these days have more access to expensive gadgets than any generations before them. Social trends have given children the mentality that they are entitled to it and personally I think if they abuse it, it should be restricted, especially if the parents are paying for it.
You are 100% right. English isn't my first language and I wasn't sure I could explain exactly what I meant.
Sure the Problem is far more complex than I am making it seem in my post. But like you said, macrumors isn't the right place for such a discussion. I was simply trying to elaborate why I believe having these kids punished by the justice system isn't the right way to go for a number of reasons. (In my personal opinion).
Geekbabe pretty much hit the nail on the head with her solution. That's something I could get behind.
But in general I absolutely agree with you and your post! Thank you.
I don't know anything about these particular parents, so I don't want to make an assumption, but most parents today would be more like "how dare you say something against my babies?". I personally don't believe in spanking, but if anybody needed an azzzz whumpin', it's these kids.
To be honest maybe it is me, but I wouldn't find putting an iPhone 6+ in your front pocket defying common sense.
I did that for 6 months with a Note 3 with no problems.
That leads me to ask. Why is it ok to put similar size phones and phablets in your front pocket but not Apples?
After listening to the so called apology video as a parent I would be livid! Yes he admits doing it but he also slips in rationalizations. Him inviting Apple to reach out and contact him was also the height of arrogance! To say nothing of the fact that he should have turned to his parents immediately for help after realizing that video went viral and the entire internet knows who he is!
Kids do some pretty stupid things at times but I would also be questioning my parenting after all this. My son and I would be spending a lot of time together evaluating his judgement and values & restructuring our family life so something like this never happens again.
"Please reach out and concant us Apple" Who does this kid think he is?
I thought that too. It was: "Sorry, but..."
Seemed to be more of a calculating apology than a sincere one.
This, a thousand times this!
Fu***** talk to your kids! Be a parent!
Here have my upvote!
Its NOT OK to put similar sized phones in a pocket like that. One of the guys complaining bitterly about this posted a photo of himself with the phone in his front pants pocket. The whole upper quarter of the phone was sticking out of his pocket, you could clearly see the line of the phone was almost as wide his leg, and you could see how tight a fit that was. If I tried that, one look and I would have said "oh, h3ll no am I carrying it this way". Yet, not only did that thought NOT enter his mind, he thought it would then be a good idea to SIT with the phone in that configuration, making the pants even tighter.
I have no sympathies for anyone who ignores common sense.
He also swear is in his apology which is a no-no. Then he claims take full responsibility but wants to split the cost with his friend.just seems to be a severe parenting issue also
A child doesn't reach that level of arrogance in a couple of weeks. He needs to be TAUGHT how to properly take ownership of a problem he created and how to issue a real apology. That phone was sitting there unbent on display minding it's own business till my kid came in and white knuckled it in an attempt to discredit it's owner?
Let me just say my child would probably prefer facing the court rather than the consequences I would be handing out! And no, I would not lay a hand on him but he would be learning life long lessons from this incident!
I got it!
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His pants have a sufficient tightness to not cause his phone to bend in half but the girls still like him.
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His pants have a sufficient tightness to not cause his phone to bend in half but the girls still like him.
so your not american, yet you know everything about our justice system and how people react to it. So what if i say LOL? i say lol because your points are absurd. I was a troubled kid growing up, a serious talk does nothing at that age. The kids that never got punished (from my experience) are the ones that are usually the most ignorant and do the more severe crimes, because the fact that they NEVER experienced getting punished or facing consequences for their actions.
You know what does? going to juvie and getting your rights taken away, waking up at 5AM to do hard labor (landscaping) for community service, Paying Fines that i have to pay myself (not the parents). You think these kids would bend iPhones again if they had to work to pay them off and waking up 5am in the morning and doing landscaping the whole day 2 times out of the week for a month? Hell no.
what the other poster mention was absolutely correct. its unjust drug laws which contribute to the high incarceration rate. In this case its a predetermined crime.
the fact is people are less inclined to do crime if your going to go to prison. that is a fact.
i can take the fact that you never been into a US county jail or prison. Its not great, and nobody wants to go back if they're not borderline retarded or homeless. Prisons in Europe absolutely do not compare to the ones in the US.
You have no idea of American society besides the one that the media portrays to you.
The 3 Strikes rule in california is harsh and probably not needed now, but back 20-25 years ago people were killing at will. With that 3 strikes rule and many other harsh penalties people are less inclined to kill. dozens of studies doesnt beat actual statistics. The gang banging epidemic and killings isnt what it used to be from the 80s to the late 90s.
you know what happened before? people commit homicide and come back out and commit it again. Crime has gone down exceptionally from before. Before you couldn't go out to places without the fear of wearing the wrong shoes, pants, color, hats, even your skin color.
so please continue to talk about something you have no idea about. I guess your an expert on american society and the justice system.
i dont go up and about talking about your country and their system, even if i read about it, because its totally different than experiencing first hand.
Look at Saddam, why was he able to control such an unstable region like in Northern Iraq? Because of Punishment (basically genocide and torture)
Hey, lets get rid of prisons and punishment and lets just try to sit down and have a 'serious talk' with criminals to change their lives.
that is a very laughable statement, LOL
I rest my case. There is nothing more to say to you.
You believe in your justice system. Which is broken and flawed. (Again evidence everywhere)
You believe in jail time to prevent crime. Which is proven time and time again to be ineffective.
You believe that I have to live in the US to understand your justice system or make an assessment of your society. Which is obviously so wrong, that not even you can truly believe that. Ever heard of books? You should try reading one from time to time. They can teach you a lot about stuff you knew nothing about before. Even such crazy things like history, politics and science!
(Or if you don't like books, which I imagine you don't, simply google some stuff like, "why prisons don't work" or "why punishment doesn't work" or "why the us justice system is flawed". I dare you, try it!)
I'm not going to repeat everything ZombiePete or I said about this topic. You simply don't seem very bright and my time isn't worth discussing this matter any further.
You want to ignore facts and scientific evidence (which is all over the place if you care to look for it) and don't seem to eager to learn anything new. So have a nice day, and enjoy being uneducated.
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But it IS ok to carry around a Note 3 like that. I've did it for a long time. Phone sticking out of my pocket was quite common. Note series owners have literally been doing it for years without a problem. Some of the more hardcore Apple fans would make fun of note users citing the phone hanging out of the pocket thing.
That was my point. The competition defined the etiquette of usage and thus common sense. You can't introduce something then a week later say "Thats not common sense" after people have been using a similar sized device in the same manor for years.
The common sense aspect was my point. Not the differences of device durability.
I have used a Note 3 for the last six months. And it is NOT OK to carry a Note like that either, you are asking for trouble.
Sorry, but stupidity is not Apple's responsibility. No amount of whining is going to change that.
Regardless whether carrying a Note series device in your front pocket is a good idea or not people have and will do it. Same applies to the iPhone. The DIFFERENCE is its not a problem for the Note and it is for the iPhone.
The Note is on its 4th iteration without any notable bending/breaking from pocket issues. The iPhone 6+ is being heavily criticized a week and a half after its release.
I don't know why you are so upset that you are trying to make it now sound like since the iPhone bends in a front pocket that ALL phones of that size do too. Then say its not common sense because of that straw man argument.
Which you are still changing the subject. I'm going on about common sense, which you feel it is not common sense to put a device of this size in your front pocket even though people have been doing it for years.
Have u got proof to sustain this statement?
I've been carrying my 6 Plus in the front pocket of my jeans which are on the skinny side and I've had no problem with bending.
You have absolutely have no idea of the mentality of these criminals or a criminal mind.
You think slapping them on the wrist and giving them a serious talk on life is going to change them?
You assume these criminals or kids have the capacity to take in morals and what they do to others, nether the less be smart enough to see that a criminal career isnt the best option
You assume i dont read? All your doing is assuming, assuming, assuming.
How are you to say you know US society more than someone that lives in US society? Yes your assumptions are wrong, WHY? may you ask? because you dont live here and i do and I'm telling you it'll be worse if there isnt any punishment to crimes.
How are you to say that punishment in the US doesnt work, when you dont live in the US?
History and politics are my favorite subjects. Seems like you lack in both subjects, If you have punishment so cruel and painful, people are less inclined to commit crime. Its been in like that in the past and capital punishment works now as well.
Look at china, they are one of the top nations that execute people annually, i go to shanghai twice a year at months at a time, major crime over here is almost non-existent compared to the US.
Who's going to commit crime if your just going to get executed or get life imprisonment.
Take away the 3rd strike rule, take away life imprisonment and definitely your going to see an uprise in crime.
Read all you want in books, but how are you going to go against first hand experience? Books are always subjective, who was the author? who did the studies? do they know the criminal mind or the thought process? were they criminals themselves?
Funny how you say I'm not bright because what i have experienced and seen, goes against your 'studies'.
there is no formulas for the criminal thought process, people do things for different reasons.
the fact that punishment is clearly wrong. An average person isn't going to keep on speeding after he gets 1 or 2 points on his record. Why? because, besides the fact that each ticket costs 400 (and more after each), you'll get your license suspended (which make its very hard to get around) and your insurance sky rockets.
So what if there were no penalties or punishment for it? hell ill speed all the time.
The fact that you say punishment is clearly wrong, I've been around these type of people in my younger days. They dont commit murder because they dont want to spend 25-Life in jail. Otherwise whats going to stop them? Oh Because its morally wrong?
and your going to tell me that I'm wrong because a book says so? when i grew up in LA, where gangbangers, drug dealers, pimps, thieves aren't common at all?
i never seen such ignorance in my life. please continue to tell me that i dont know the society i grew up in. You have no idea what the mentality of the criminals and kids over here. Yet your an expert because you read a couple of books, rather than someone that actually grew up in the US.
my mind is literally blown.
You know why you get severe punishment and near attempted murder charges with an unregistered gun? Because you use it for murder, Oh but by your standards we should just talk to these killers that were conditioned since they were adolescents, that'll work right?
Well, i guess you know more than US society than US citizens themselves. Kudos to you.
Follow the discussion the poster I quoted are having not just cherry pick a sentence out of my post.
We are discussing that on the pretense the iPhone does bend in your front pocket regardless of fact or fiction.