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Will we all have bent phones in 6 months from now?

mailboxbetacoin said:
We don't disagree on that; IF we knew the numbers of bent phones out there, we could extrapolate what that number would be after 2 years of normal use, and draw conclusions. BUT we don't know those numbers.
And a lot of you guys don't seem to understand that if a phone isn't bent after a week or so of use, it doesn't mean it will not bend during its normal life span. We're not talking about a defect that is visible out of the box, but an issue that develops over time.
Only the test of time will tell us the definite truth.



You're again making the same mistake as a lot of people here. You're generalizing from example. Yours didn't bend from wearing in front pocket for a few hours is very different from saying that no phone will be bend from normal use over a period of 2 years.
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I'm not saying the phone is indestructible. And I will accept and admit that it is not as sturdy as the others out there. But I've had it almost a month now (got it on launch day) and it's fine. And I keep it in my pocket most of the day EVERY day.

Look, the phone CAN bend obviously, it's not as strong as the others. But to assume that it's so delicate that "normal" use will bend it might be a stretch. Might not be, maybe mine WILL bend under MY normal use, but for now it hasn't at all. so I'm fine with it. There are MANY other defects that can occur other than Bending. Volume switch could go bad. Pixels could die, speaker could break and screen could crack in my pocket as well. Personally I think #bendgate is a non issue. And so far the numbers seem to agree.
 
appleii.c said:
I'm not saying the phone is indestructible. And I will accept and admit that it is not as sturdy as the others out there. But I've had it almost a month now (got it on launch day) and it's fine. And I keep it in my pocket most of the day EVERY day.

Look, the phone CAN bend obviously, it's not as strong as the others. But to assume that it's so delicate that "normal" use will bend it might be a stretch. Might not be, maybe mine WILL bend under MY normal use, but for now it hasn't at all. so I'm fine with it. There are MANY other defects that can occur other than Bending. Volume switch could go bad. Pixels could die, speaker could break and screen could crack in my pocket as well. Personally I think #bendgate is a non issue. And so far the numbers seem to agree.
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You're doing it again :) your phone is fine doesn't mean that nobody will have issues. With the same logic, since my phone is bent, I conclude that all phones are going to bend... I don't think either conclusion is reasonable.

Also, you have a 6, most bent phones (including mine) are 6+
 
No, either you are engaging in an activity that will bend the phone or you aren't. It won't just bend on its own.
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The bad news is, yes, everyone will have a bent phone. The good news is, everyone will also have Ebola, so the bent phones won't seem like a big deal by comparison.
 
One of the sillier things during bend gate was people acting like the bend would be cumulative over time.

The trauma would have happened all at once. Not over time.

Its aluminum not clay
 
wywruwru said:
No, either you are engaging in an activity that will bend the phone or you aren't. It won't just bend on its own. Image
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True, I'm sure there will be some people who will put it on a shelf for 2 years, leave it in the box or carry it around on a red velvet cushion.
 
mailboxbetacoin said:
You're doing it again :) your phone is fine doesn't mean that nobody will have issues. With the same logic, since my phone is bent, I conclude that all phones are going to bend... I don't think either conclusion is reasonable.

Also, you have a 6, most bent phones (including mine) are 6+
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No man, I'm not saying that they are all fine. Actually I said that maybe they CAN bend, and maybe MINE will end up bending also. All I'm stating is that "I FEEL" (just MY opinion) is that its a non issue. So far my phone is fine.

I believe you. I'm sure yours is bent. And probably under "your" normal circumstances. Maybe you wear tighter pants than I do. Maybe I haven't had any strenuous squats or movements yet. Maybe it IS a 6 vs 6+ issue, or maybe you got a defective unit. Its VERY possible. PDR (Product Defective Rate) exists in EVERY company. I'm not doubting you. All I'm saying is that I don't believe it's as big an issue as the media made it out to be. Not that it's not real... just not as big.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
One of the sillier things during bend gate was people acting like the bend would be cumulative over time.

The trauma would have happened all at once. Not over time.

Its aluminum not clay
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Not the trauma being cumulative, but the fact that over time you will do different things in slightly different ways with the phone in your pocket or bag. It'll be in different positions and different orientations as well.
 
mcdj said:
The bad news is, yes, everyone will have a bent phone. The good news is, everyone will also have Ebola, so the bent phones won't seem like a big deal by comparison.
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HA! I almost went there in my last response but I didn't want to touch the Ebola scare. But there's the media freaking everyone out over all those viruses. Looking at the cases here in the US, here are some random stats:

  • Texting while driving kills 6,000 annually in the U.S. alone
  • Falling out of bed kills 450 people annually in the U.S.
  • Hippos kill 2,900 people annually

Waiting for CNN to tell me I gotta wear a seatbelt to bed!
 
oneofthenine said:
Not the trauma being cumulative, but the fact that over time you will do different things in slightly different ways with the phone in your pocket or bag. It'll be in different positions and different orientations as well.
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No if it was gonna happen it would happen in 1 moment of extreme pressure that pushes it past the limit.

That's kind of how it works.

If it bends slightly from less than than the "limit" then that was never the limit.

Slight pressure wouldnt cause slight bends, only a moment of extreme pressure could cause a slight or significant bend.
 
wywruwru said:
No, either you are engaging in an activity that will bend the phone or you aren't. It won't just bend on its own. Image
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I haven't read every post in this forum, but I am pretty sure nobody claimed that the phone will bend on its own, just by being itself.

You address a statement made by nobody.

The question is whether or not the phone is too weak to sustain every day forces a mobile device is subject to. You may use your phone only as an alarm clock on your bedside table, but most of us expect to do a lot more with these devices, carrying it around in a pocket all day, use in a car as a GPS, use as a fitness tracker, etc...
Now are those phones strong enough to sustain those forces? Clearly not for the phones some of us received.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
No if it was gonna happen it would happen in 1 moment of extreme pressure that pushes it past the limit.

That's kind of how it works.

If it bends slightly from less than than the "limit" then that was never the limit.

Slight pressure wouldnt cause slight bends, only a moment of extreme pressure could cause a slight or significant bend.
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Yes, but I was saying that the moment of activity that caused the bend may very well have not occurred yet for most users. In time they may do something that puts it in that situation.


On your point though I'm not an engineer and perhaps don't understand the engineering/mechanics. But say for example a force of 10lbs caused a bend of 0.1mm that does not bend back when released. What happens the next time a force of 10lbs is now applied? Does it now not bend again or would it bend more? I think I can see the logic of why people are saying it doesn't bend more, but as I say I'm not an expert.
 
mailboxbetacoin said:
The question is whether or not the phone is too weak to sustain every day forces a mobile device is subject to. You may use your phone only as an alarm clock on your bedside table, but most of us expect to do a lot more with these devices, carrying it around in a pocket all day, use in a car as a GPS, use as a fitness tracker, etc...
Now are those phones strong enough to sustain those forces? Clearly not for the phones some of us received.
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See, this is where the problem comes in. Are you talking about "Average every day use" or "Maximum every day use"? Somewhere along the lines someone came to an agreement that 55 lbs of pressure is the Average (which is what Apple tested). Consumer Reports tested that and agreed that the phone could withstand beyond that. Therefore by general assessments, the phone CAN withstand General every day use. Now, some people's every day use goes beyond that. Not saying it's right or wrong, but obviously for THEM the iPhone is not the right phone for them. At least not without a sturdy case.

Where I take issue is people are being led to believe that the average 55 lb every day use will damage their phones. THIS is what I believe to simply be not true.
 
DillonCawthon said:
Here are some pictures as promised earlier, like I said mine just has a slight curve to the phone that I think is from pulling it out of its snap on case. It doesn't really bother me but I hope it doesn't affect cases like the lifeproof nude later.

Excuse the bad quality picture, it's an iPad 2.

You can see that it has a level on top of it, I then used my knife as a weight to lift the other side of the level up.
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Yeah yours looks bent where mine was starting to bend the one time I removed mine from its tight fitting Incipio Highland case. I felt the phone flexing and changed the way I was pushing on it and did NOT end up with a lasting bend.

My issue in removing my phone was that the only place I could actually get pressure on the phone itself was the opening for the camera. So I was pushing on the phone very close to a point where it is known to be weak which is along the elongated opening for the volume switches. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a structural engineer to figure out that an oblong section where material is completely absent is going to present a vulnerability to bending on a long, thin, malleable form.

Does that mean we're all going to end up with bent phones? I seriously doubt it now that the issue has been discussed to death in various venues and most consumers are aware they need to be careful...use a case, exercise care in removing it from a case and take other common sense precautions.
 
oneofthenine said:
Yes, but I was saying that the moment of activity that caused the bend may very well have not occurred yet for most users. In time they may do something that puts it in that situation.


On your point though I'm not an engineer and perhaps don't understand the engineering/mechanics. But say for example a force of 10lbs caused a bend of 0.1mm that does not bend back when released. What happens the next time a force of 10lbs is now applied? Does it now not bend again or would it bend more? I think I can see the logic of why people are saying it doesn't bend more, but as I say I'm not an expert.
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What a load of FUD.

It doesn't bend AT ALL until it hits the critical force level. 10 pounds won't do ANYTHING to it. There is no cumulative bending. Stop running around the board spreading this kind of BS.
 
Surf Monkey said:
... says the guy who continually claims he doesn't have an agenda.
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Meaning people use it as a phone and carry it around it pockets and bags and use it as a daily device they have with them.

You maybe missed the point or were planning another straw man argument.
 
appleii.c said:
See, this is where the problem comes in. Are you talking about "Average every day use" or "Maximum every day use"? Somewhere along the lines someone came to an agreement that 55 lbs of pressure is the Average (which is what Apple tested). Consumer Reports tested that and agreed that the phone could withstand beyond that. Therefore by general assessments, the phone CAN withstand General every day use. Now, some people's every day use goes beyond that. Not saying it's right or wrong, but obviously for THEM the iPhone is not the right phone for them. At least not without a sturdy case.

Where I take issue is people are being led to believe that the average 55 lb every day use will damage their phones. THIS is what I believe to simply be not true.
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Listen, I know how I use my phone, i.e. carefully. it's on a desk during the day, on a bedside table at night, in a car mount when in the car; in my hand when in use, and in my baggy pants front pocket.

There you go, that's my definition of normal use. To put things in perspective, I have used every iPhone since the first one the same way, never had AppleCare and never needed it. Never broke the glass, nothing...
So if anything, MY normal day use is probably not as demanding for the phone as the average user normal day use.
Add to that the fact that I have been a bit more careful with this phone because of the talks of bendgate.
 
Surf Monkey said:
What a load of FUD.

It doesn't bend AT ALL until it hits the critical force level. 10 pounds won't do ANYTHING to it. There is no cumulative bending. Stop running around the board spreading this kind of BS.
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And what is this force level we are seeing at which it bends to the point it wobbles on a table but to the eye it is still hardly perceptible?

I didn't say it cumulatively bends, I said I wasn't an engineer and didn't know so asked if anyone did (another straw man argument Surf Monkey?)
 
mailboxbetacoin said:
Well, it did for some of us
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No it didn't. You can't even see your "bend" and you have no idea how it happened so you can't (or won't) say whether it took a critical amount of force or not.

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oneofthenine said:
And what is this force level we are seeing at which it bends to the point it wobbles on a table but to the eye it is still hardly perceptible?

I didn't say it cumulatively bends, I said I wasn't an engineer and didn't know so asked if anyone did (another straw man argument Surf Monkey?)
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Evidently you don't know what a straw man argument is so you should probably stop trying to accuse people of using them.

Sorry, but the contention that 10 pounds of force will bend these things is patently absurd fear mongering that exposes your agenda in stark contrast. Stop it.
 
Surf Monkey said:
No it didn't. You can't even see your "bend" and you have no idea how it happened so you can't (or won't) say whether it took a critical amount of force or not.
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It puzzles me how you guys (especially you Monkey) are confident to know better than ourselves, how we use our phones.

btw, I would have updated my previous post on my phone status, but since you guys got it closed by being outrageous, here is the quick update: I went to the Apple store for an other issue with the phone (volume issues), and took the opportunity to ask the Genius about my phone; he agreed that it was bent and would happily replace it. I decided not to at this time, as I would rather be confident they solve the issue first, before getting another lemon.

If critical amount of force is the force it takes to get it bent, then sure it took a critical amount of force, since it's now bent. Now you make it sound like that critical amount of force is the one that was applied during those tests like Consumer Reports, and that I can be very confident never happened by my phone being in my front pocket.
 
MultiMediaWill said:
With enough time, all our phones are bound to bend, right? As time goes on, will we see more and more bending? I'm worried that in 6 months, normal daily usage will cause bending over time.
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Yes, every single iPhone will be bent in 6 months... all of them... even the one's in boxes in stores will spontaneously bend inside the boxes.

A little beyond 6 months and the bottom of the phone will bend around far enough to touch the top of the phone. Then, a software update will cause a previously unknown and unseen panel to pop off on the back of this now cylinder-shaped device. The exposed panel will include USB and Thunderbolt ports. Surprise, we will all have a new Mac Mini inspired by the Mac Pro design. This will finally achieve the spike in Mac computer share (vs. Windows) beyond what anything else has done.

Those who wanted this to remain a phone will squawk but then Apple will announce the iPhone 6s without Magic-Morph (so it remains as a true smartphone) that in some way uniquely interfaces with this Mac Mini and all will be forgiven. Apple will cleverly sell everyone a brand new phone 2 years in a row instead of working the usual every-2-years cycle because the 6 morphed into something else.

The whole thing is a secret plot to get many more Macs into the wild.

Slightly beyond that, the Superman vs. Batman movie will come out. The geeks will re-discover Wonder Woman in the flesh and then realize that 2 of these bent phones wrapped around their wrists look much like WWs bracelets. This will cause a flurry of demand to buy another 6 because we have to have 2 ("one-wristed use" would not apply) and thus Apple will clean up over 2 years by selling everyone TWO 6 models plus a 6s.

Then, someone will test them and find out that they are not aluminum or liquid metal but instead made of Amazonium (look it up) and bullets will bounce off of them resulting in an endless gush of how Apple innovated a way so that everyone with them could become Amazonian Demigods AND delivered a creative way to invent mobile Macs in a non-laptop form factor. Even Wonder Woman herself will trade in her bracelets for these much improved models (though she'll have to replace them about every 2 years for the rest of her eternal existence).

;)
 
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Surf Monkey said:
Evidently you don't know what a straw man argument is so you should probably stop trying to accuse people of using them.

Sorry, but the contention that 10 pounds of force will bend these things is patently absurd fear mongering that exposes your agenda in stark contrast. Stop it.
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Here is your straw man argument, it is the same approach you use on every thread you troll:

I said I wasn't an engineer and didn't understand the things about cumulative force exactly, I then laid out a hypothetical situation about tiny tiny bending with smaller forces as part of my question.

You then took a couple of bits from what I said to form a misrepresentation that you can then claim is ridiculous to give you the self gratification you seek. In this case you took the hypothetical bit of my question (ignoring the rest of it) and claimed I was telling people it bends at 10lbs. You'll note I asked you further up at what force a tiny fraction of a mm bend might occur.


Sorry to sound harsh Surf Monkey and I'm not going to reply to you again tonight, but please stop with this needless aggression on every thread you visit.
 
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