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Will we all have bent phones in 6 months from now?
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+1 Monkey has been exposed many times for doing this. Misquotes, out of context quotes...
Monkey, you're exposed...
You're doing it againyour phone is fine doesn't mean that nobody will have issues. With the same logic, since my phone is bent, I conclude that all phones are going to bend... I don't think either conclusion is reasonable.
Also, you have a 6, most bent phones (including mine) are 6+
Well right, I agree the 6+ is the inferior device for bending too, but that means absolutely NOTHING with regards to whether the bending issue is any worse than any other phone on the market (besides the 6 of course, but even that is arguable based on testing).
Just because something CAN happen, and just because a handful out of millions (literally) bent their phones, means absolutely nothing. The problem is not widespread. How can I prove it?
Out of 4 million devices, how many have to demonstrate bending for a reasonable person (that is critical here... NOT an internet fanboy and especially not a product owner) to conclude it's a widespread "problem"?
Five percent? TEN? Those #'s would still be really really low (objectively), especially when you factor in negligence and intentional bending, but go with five for now:
That would mean that 200,000 iPhones out there would have to be bent.
And that would also mean that 95% were not. Even if that WERE the ratio (and it's not even close), it would still be hard to convince a normal person that there's actually a widespread "problem".
In reality, the numbers are much more likely to be in the fractions of one percent, if that. Find a reasonable person out there that thinks ANY company that has a "problem" with less than a fraction of a percent of their product is dealing with a "massive design flaw". You couldn't. Because it isn't.
You CAN bend your iPhone. You CAN do a lot of things. It doesn't mean anything. There are more iPhones in the wild than any other phone by a significant margin. Bendgate is just blown out of proportion because of that. Once you look at it like a reasonable person, you realize it's not a "problem" at all.
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It isn't rocket science. It takes a specific amount of force to cause a permanent bend. If it doesn't experience that amount of force it won't bend. Therefore you must have subjected it to that amount of force. The only puzzling thing is why you refuse to admit it.
Not sure how many times this needs to be stated:
Your calculations are wrong if you make the hypothesis that every phone with a problem already shows the problem after a week of usage. The problem we're talking about is a durability problem, so you need to take that into account.
So when you say 5% = 200,000 phones would have to show the problem for it to be widespread. It's really: if we take those 4 millions, and follow them for n years, then 5% would have to have shown the problem during their lifetime.
If you consider n=3 years (reasonable expectation for a phone I believe), and the fact that so far the average user has had it for 10 days (less than 1% of the phone lifetime); then it means we should be worried if 2,000 phones have already had the issue.
Are there 2,000 bent phones from normal use out there? hard to say, but based on the sample we have on this forum alone, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case
Please don't accuse me of lying when I didn't tell any lies. Also, please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say everyone had an agenda. I said oneofthenine has one.
I'm pretty sure this phone bends easier, but my 6 has not bent and I live and work an extremely active lifestyle in the high country.
Hopefully mine won't bend under normal use, but I am cautious with it and put it in a Griffin Survivor All Terrain when out in the boonies....
Hopefully mine won't bend under normal use, but I am cautious with it and put it in a Griffin Survivor All Terrain when out in the boonies....
Baseless attack. My reply wasn't a straw man and my comment stands. Your attempt to impugn my character in order to obfuscate your blatant FUD fails.
You're always going to lose your argument, if you keep quoting things that were never said, or leaving aside things that were said, because it's quite easy for me to copy/paste past posts.
So here we go, here is what I said :
So how is that not agreeing with the fact that the phone was subject to the force require for it to bend? And I agree with you: disagreeing with this would make no sense.
The argument has always been, whether that force was an extraordinary force that doesn't happen in every day use; or if that required force is typical of normal usage.
And obviously, those of us with bent phones know the answer to that, i.e. normal use of the phone can cause some of them to bend.
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You plan on replying on me "going on and on for days" about the class action lawsuit? If not, you mind stating here you were wrong on that topic? It might actually help your credibility
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Not sure if you read things too quickly, or misunderstand everything you read. But when someone asks you, as I did:
That's not putting things in your mouth, that's just asking a question.
Putting things in one mouth, that would be doing things like quoting, but changing the words inside the quote. Oh, wait.. that's what you've been doing for a while now, so you should be familiar with the concept.
hope that helps
Let's talk about credibility, shall we? Notice for example how you convienienly took YOURSELF out of context in order to try and make it appear as if I was mischaracterizing what you said. But that didn't happen. Here's the full quote. Notice the bold part:
So your rebuttal that you were agreeing with me and that I'm the one who's out of line is complete and unmitigated BS. You weren't agreeing with me. You made a QUALIFIED statement and then convienienly left the qualification out when you attempted to smear me later.
Fail.
I am not following you anymore man. I agree ONE time with you, and that's a fail? I guess you're here to pick up fights...
Oh and btw, when do you plan on documenting the fact that I went "on and on for days" about a class action lawsuit?
when do you plan on documenting the fact that I went "on and on for days" about a class action lawsuit?
I will say that I wholeheartedly believe that smartphone owners who own iPhones use their phones way way more than android owners.
This is not a trivial point.
I will also say that I never even thought to think about a phone bending until my iPhone 5. I noticed it all by myself before coming to the forums.
Maybe iPhone owners are more obsessive b/c there is that 'emotional' connection that I apple likes to talk about. but hey with apple charging 2x more for their phones, they'd better produce better products.
My conclusion is that iPhones do bend in the pocket, absolutely without a doubt, and from normal use for iPhone owners. But since iPhone owners use their phones like CRAZY, it's not a fair comparison to make to android owners. I can honestly say that no android phone has ever bent on me and I use it just the same....but i also use it a lot less. So android and iPhone owners are not the same. If there was an android phone that caused people to use their phones to the degree that iPhone owners use it, would we hear of bending stories? probably.
The other thing I'll add is that the iPhone 4 absolutely positively does not bend.
This is not a trivial point.
I will also say that I never even thought to think about a phone bending until my iPhone 5. I noticed it all by myself before coming to the forums.
Maybe iPhone owners are more obsessive b/c there is that 'emotional' connection that I apple likes to talk about. but hey with apple charging 2x more for their phones, they'd better produce better products.
My conclusion is that iPhones do bend in the pocket, absolutely without a doubt, and from normal use for iPhone owners. But since iPhone owners use their phones like CRAZY, it's not a fair comparison to make to android owners. I can honestly say that no android phone has ever bent on me and I use it just the same....but i also use it a lot less. So android and iPhone owners are not the same. If there was an android phone that caused people to use their phones to the degree that iPhone owners use it, would we hear of bending stories? probably.
The other thing I'll add is that the iPhone 4 absolutely positively does not bend.
Why are you assuming it is a durability problem?
There was one joker here who would do daily checks of his phone and on day 15 it magically bent when he didn't do anything to it. 15 days is hardly a durability test.
Yeah I am that guy
I dont understand your question. It is well documented by anybody with the problem that their phones were not bent out of the box, and became bent over time.
It's not a dead pixel issue, or a yellow screen issue. You can't tell by just looking at it if your phone will stand the test of time.
I don't know what to tell you... some of you guys... we now need to prove that water is wet?
Again, i'm not in any way suggesting that you don't know how to use your phone nor am I calling you a liar. Neither am I blindly saying that the phone "Does Not" bend. I'm sure yours bent. I am simply curious why this is not a widespread issue. And by widespread I don't mean 100-200 people out of 20+ million (of which who knows how many are deliberate). I'm curious why some bend under "normal use" and some don't. How do you believe yours bent? What do you think happened? Serious question.
Would you be willing to entertain the notion that you may have had a defective phone? That possibly a batch of .01% of the phones had weak aluminum and you got one of them? Is that a possibility? I've seen the videos of the "iPhone Benders" and even those took a bit of force to bend.
So, my iPhone 6 is bent (slightly). I took it out of the case last night to clean it and set it screen side down. When I let go of it I noticed it rock back and forth slightly, diagonally. Sure enough, putting one finger on the top right and one finger on the bottom left side, I can rock it back and forth. Again, it's pretty minute and you can't tell from looking, but it's definitely noticeable when you lay it flat on its front. Also, I tried it on multiple surfaces to make sure it will wasn't just the table.
Not sure what I should do. I had my first 6 replaced due to a loose, rattling home button. I'd hate to take this one in for fear of being turned away by the Apple Store.
Not sure what I should do. I had my first 6 replaced due to a loose, rattling home button. I'd hate to take this one in for fear of being turned away by the Apple Store.
From what I'm hearing the official line is now that all bends are user damage according to apple. The visual mechanical inspection returns that result if a bend is observed.
Saying that a few people have come across kindly geniuses who have replaced units for them. On a slightly less pleasant side some users have had to resort to arguing their case. Presenting printed pics of other bent units (lots of them) on the table in the apple store seems to get a positive resolution .
here's that guy clutching at straws......millions of phones in use tiny amount of bent phones by owners miss-usage.
#agenda
Where are you hearing this? Is it from an official statement from Apple?
I've worked in the retail sector in the past and I have seen it all. I am also a very social person so I speak to many different people and in my experience (some) people will go to great lengths to get a product replaced, to get something for free, or simply some recognition. Apple cannot simply replace every bent device out there without some judgement call. Using just phones alone, I've seen and heard of things people do to get their phones replaced. Apple, Samsung, HTC... you name it. I get a scratch on my screen, or a ding on the corner... I cant simply just bend the phone and expect Apple to give me a new one.
I myself went to apple store with a slightly bent 6+ and they deemed it was my fault because of excess force when its only been in my front pocket and never in back pocket. They said that bent phones are wear and tare and NOT a design flaw. They have emails and notes in their store systems claiming anyone who comes in with a bent phone is due to the user, and not design. After some time arguing with the genius, they replaced it for me when I refused to pay and claim it via applecare.
Heard this from everyone I have had contact with who has tried to return a bent phone over the last 10 days or so (I talk to quite a lot of people with bent iPhones). Before that store staff were mostly replacing them and hadn't been given much advice from apple on what to do, now the line is a consistent 'no' to any replacement under warranty.
Pretty sure most of these pissed off people are not going to great lengths to get something for free, they just used their iPhone as a phone and it bent.
Like the ones here who forced it in and out of tight cases over and over until they bent it? That kind of "normal" use?
Where as you and I may disagree about the LED notification, I couldn't agree with you more on this. I think #Bendgate is a bit overblown to say the least.