nMP 2015: where is it?

goMac · Feb 25, 2015

Soon? New Macbook Airs and Broadwell Macbook Pros are due soon too (and in the case of the Macbook Air, the components are ready.) Could be wanting to do a single event, but it's definitely not the only update MIA.

I still would not expect Thunderbolt 3 or a Retina 5k display this round. Maybe Apple will hold updates until they can get a Retina 5k display, but that seems insanely foolish.

ManuelGomes · Feb 25, 2015

I guess the stars are not aligned yet.
Apple seems to be distracted from the computing world already, other products are catching people's attention and seem to have priority.
Not that Macs aren't profitable, they must be, but people buy them anyway so why bother updating a product that sells well, even if not latest tech.

MacVidCards · Feb 25, 2015

Sm951 for Apple already here.

Got one here that I will send barefeats.

If you read the PCIE NGFFthread you will see that they are already appearing in the wild.

Sadly in nMP they are held back by PCIE 2.0

ManuelGomes · Feb 25, 2015

Maybe they announce everything at the same time in June, at the WWDC.
nMP + nTBD, nMBA, nMBP, iPhone 7/6S, iPad, iOS9, OS X 10.11, the works....
Even the iCar or AppleCar, or whatever.
A Mega Event!!

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Yes, I know.
Have you tested one?
Too bad we only get PCIe 3.0 in MacPro in a couple of years.

Larry-K · Feb 25, 2015

koyoot said:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/12/30/nvidia-lose-apple-macpro-line/
1. GCN is the most power efficient GPU architecture on the planet right now.
2. Nvidia is not willing to produce semi-custom GPUs, the way Apple wants them to be.
3. AMD is more "open to world" than Nvidia.
4. AMD has brighter future than Nvidia.
5. http://semiaccurate.com/2013/12/02/nvidia-exits-another-major-market-segment/ Double Precision Units.

Yeah, I've noticed the "Future" rarely shows up as expected.

I've got work top do today.

koyoot · Feb 25, 2015

ManuelGomes said:
I guess the stars are not aligned yet.
Apple seems to be distracted from the computing world already, other products are catching people's attention and seem to have priority.
Not that Macs aren't profitable, they must be, but people buy them anyway so why bother updating a product that sells well, even if not latest tech.

The only thing that is not in the market yet for new MP are the new GPUs. Everything else, even the SSD is here!

MacVidCards · Feb 25, 2015

Yep, it has tested about 5-10% faster in cMP, not sure why.

It does seem about 50% faster than original 1TB though.

I could see Apple tossing in a "speed bump" upgrade with the newer CPUs and these faster drives.

EDIT:

Added a SM951 in nMP BMD test image. They occasionally drift into 1,400 range, but never hit 1,500 like in cMP.

ManuelGomes · Feb 25, 2015

Maybe they have already updated the GPUs as well, in line with the FirePro Wx100 series. Or even nVidia GPUs and we don't know.
At least it would be more up to date.

Average Pro · Feb 25, 2015

Exactly

Thank you.

Derpage said:
Ladies and Gentlemen! Grab your dead horses and prepare for the beatings!

scottsjack · Feb 25, 2015

In all seriousness read on the Mac Websites about all the things they are into; headphones, music streaming, watches, trying to get software to work correctly, etc., etc., etc. Do the apparently small development teams at Apple really have time to fiddle with computers? Apple's senior management has not impressed me that computers are a really big deal to them anymore.

Macsonic · Feb 25, 2015

scottsjack said:
In all seriousness read on the Mac Websites about all the things they are into; headphones, music streaming, watches, trying to get software to work correctly, etc., etc., etc. Do the apparently small development teams at Apple really have time to fiddle with computers? Apple's senior management has not impressed me that computers are a really big deal to them anymore.

Yeah. I have a similar observation as yours too. The portables seem to be the bread and butter with regards to sales for Apple nowadays. The engineers and dev team are prioritizing the portables than pro computers.

MacProCard · Feb 25, 2015

scottsjack said:
In all seriousness read on the Mac Websites about all the things they are into; headphones, music streaming, watches, trying to get software to work correctly, etc., etc., etc. Do the apparently small development teams at Apple really have time to fiddle with computers? Apple's senior management has not impressed me that computers are a really big deal to them anymore.

You do realize there are all kinds of departments within a company the size of Apple. I'd bet good money none of those development teams talk much or like each other much. They're always fighting for budget cash and power.

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Macsonic said:
Yeah. I have a similar observation as yours too. The portables seem to be the bread and butter with regards to sales for Apple nowadays. The engineers and dev team are prioritizing the portables than pro computers.

No. The iPhone team is gold for now...but you can bet every other team in Apple is doing everything to change that....and the only way to take iPhone down is to create sales and cash for their own products.

ManuelGomes · Feb 26, 2015

You could be right, but I guess the big money is going somewhere else now.
If there's no dev money for the MacPro dept then I guess they'll just have to seat tight.

goMac · Feb 26, 2015

MacProCard said:
You do realize there are all kinds of departments within a company the size of Apple. I'd bet good money none of those development teams talk much or like each other much. They're always fighting for budget cash and power.

It's true there are a lot of development teams at Apple (I doubt the guys who build custom Xeon workstations are being all pulled off to go work on the new iPad), but that's a really bad read of Apple. I don't know why you think teams at Apple don't like each other (that's very classicly something at Microsoft, but very un-Apple), and they definitely aren't having budget issues. If teams at Apple didn't like each other, Apple would be in a ditch right now, especially in since their whole thing is vertical integration.

The biggest problem Apple has is actually manpower, but again, I doubt the Mac Pro guys are being pulled off to go work on headphones.

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ManuelGomes said:
You could be right, but I guess the big money is going somewhere else now.
If there's no dev money for the MacPro dept then I guess they'll just have to seat tight.

Apple has more than enough money for the Mac Pro dept. Did you see their financials? Not enough money? What a joke.

There's a lot of marketing/engineering gates that a product needs to get through to be released. None of them right now have to do with money.

MacProCard · Feb 26, 2015

goMac said:
It's true there are a lot of development teams at Apple (I doubt the guys who build custom Xeon workstations are being all pulled off to go work on the new iPad), but that's a really bad read of Apple. I don't know why you think teams at Apple don't like each other (that's very classicly something at Microsoft, but very un-Apple), and they definitely aren't having budget issues. If teams at Apple didn't like each other, Apple would be in a ditch right now, especially in since their whole thing is vertical integration.

The biggest problem Apple has is actually manpower, but again, I doubt the Mac Pro guys are being pulled off to go work on headphones.

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Apple has more than enough money for the Mac Pro dept. Did you see their financials? Not enough money? What a joke.

There's a lot of marketing/engineering gates that a product needs to get through to be released. None of them right now have to do with money.

Well, the easy answer is everyone at Apple is trying to move up the ladder. --Competition. And when you enter into a corporation like Apple, you hope like heck, your boss gets promoted and takes you along with him. The flip side if your Boss gets canned, banned etc...you should start sending out resumes. The next guy is going to want to bring in his own team. (BTW, Heard of the lawsuit amongst silicon valley company with hiring each others workers? It's called cherry picking)

And of course once again, Everyone at Apple is held accountable by shareholders. So money always matters. Ever heard of Carl Icahn. I bet Tim Cook has !

ManuelGomes · Feb 27, 2015

I never said Apple had money problems, record earnings do prove their financially very sound.
What I mean is that at the time, computers seem to be the least of their concerns, investment wise. Sales are good, but other more eye catching products need their full attention, even if the people are not the same.
The EV business for example, a new team is being pulled together, new hires and almost no existing techs, to grow to a 1000 people. Of course theses aren't going to be MacPro people, but still the focus has shifted.
And want it or not, MPC is right, even if everybody seems to get along in such a big corporation the fierce competition is there.

ManuelGomes · Feb 27, 2015

Apple event on March 9th, Apple Watch presentation and maybe something else?!! Fingers crossed

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Spring Forward event...

They're also investing top dollar in VR systems, hiring new people with expertise in that area.

fastlanephil · Feb 27, 2015

MacProCard said:
Well, the easy answer is everyone at Apple is trying to move up the ladder. --Competition. And when you enter into a corporation like Apple, you hope like heck, your boss gets promoted and takes you along with him. The flip side if your Boss gets canned, banned etc...you should start sending out resumes. The next guy is going to want to bring in his own team. (BTW, Heard of the lawsuit amongst silicon valley company with hiring each others workers? It's called cherry picking)

And of course once again, Everyone at Apple is held accountable by shareholders. So money always matters. Ever heard of Carl Icahn. I bet Tim Cook has !

I thought cherry picking was the manipulation of statistics in a study and hiring away other companie's employees was called poaching.

MacProCard · Mar 2, 2015

fastlanephil said:
I thought cherry picking was the manipulation of statistics in a study and hiring away other companie's employees was called poaching.

Splitting hairs are we.

Call it really whatever you want but it's real and done all the time.

goMac · Mar 2, 2015

MacProCard said:
Well, the easy answer is everyone at Apple is trying to move up the ladder. --Competition. And when you enter into a corporation like Apple, you hope like heck, your boss gets promoted and takes you along with him. The flip side if your Boss gets canned, banned etc...you should start sending out resumes. The next guy is going to want to bring in his own team. (BTW, Heard of the lawsuit amongst silicon valley company with hiring each others workers? It's called cherry picking)

This doesn't sound anything like Apple internally.

Also, yeah, what you are referring to is poaching. Not knowing terms doesn't exactly say good things about the source here.

MacProCard said:
And of course once again, Everyone at Apple is held accountable by shareholders. So money always matters. Ever heard of Carl Icahn. I bet Tim Cook has !

Carl Icahn has no idea where Apple is spending their money, and last I heard, he wanted Apple to spend more money.

Gav Mack · Mar 9, 2015

The Mac Pro 6,1 is being discounted almost another 10% to corporate for the next 3 weeks or so so I'm thinking the 7,1 or 6,2 is going to be announced later today

MH01 · Mar 9, 2015

I think the next update will be nMP 2016.

beaker7 · Mar 9, 2015

MH01 said:
I think the next update will be nMP 2016.

Announced fall 2016 shipping mid 2017 featuring 2015 tech.

MH01 · Mar 9, 2015

beaker7 said:
Announced fall 2016 shipping mid 2017 featuring 2015 tech.

he he he lol....... even funnier cause your probably right....

milo · Mar 9, 2015

Seems bizarre that a year and a quarter later, they're still shipping the original configurations of the nMP. I know there's probably more to update beyond just swapping in a faster CPU but it even the initial version felt like there was new tech coming fairly soon that would be a big improvement over the first version.

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