Apple CEO Tim Cook Speaks Out Against Indiana's 'Religious Freedom' Law

caesarp · Mar 27, 2015

cmwade77 said:
I would disagree, the pharmacist who doesn't believe in abortions should not be required to sell the morning after pill.

And the reality is everyone should be that religious and willing to stand up for what they believe in.

If your a Muslim don't become a pig farmer. Same thing in your bogus pharmacist analogy. A pharmacy isn't a darn church. It's to sell legal drugs. If you got a problem with some of them, you don't belong in that business. Or better yet, YOU don't personally use those drugs. It is None of your business what others do. Geez. It's not that hard people. a belief is your personal issue, don't use that belief to restrict others.

You aren't standing up for your beliefs by using religion to make rules for a secular establishment, you are just being moronic.

OLDCODGER · Mar 27, 2015

fitshaced said:
Well no. If this was the truth, no-one would get elected as we can't trust elected officials to keep to their word or only deliver on the policies they campaigned with. It's only after they get put into office do you see their real agenda, not the sales pitch.

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I'm not gay. I also don't think gay people are perverts.

My apologies for misunderstanding. We must agree to disagree on the definition of perversion, since your goal-posts are on a different field to mine.

fitshaced · Mar 27, 2015

OLDCODGER said:
No, he wanted two things. First, he wanted the Aryan Race to be supreme and uncorrupted with inferior blood. Second, he wanted to eliminate particular groups - whether they were German or not, because he saw them as a threat.

His motives had nothing to do with improving the general human genome.

As I said, his methods were different. But, he wanted a superior race. You suggested that if genetic modification was the answer, we could fix people from being gay which means you believe them to be inferior and need fixing.

brianvictor7 · Mar 27, 2015

Cory Bauer said:
I of course take issue with the word "sinner", but yes. Which is why what's most upsetting about this bill to me is that they dressed it up as a religious issue, when the bible would teach anything but. It should have been named the "Intolerance and Unacceptance Freedom Law".

Keep in mind that these people believe that there is something seriously dangerous in homosexual behavior and feel they are contributing to the harm of society by in any way condoning it. This should be understandable since there are homosexuals who act like religious bigots are contributing to the harm of society and in any way condoning their beliefs is bad.

td1439 · Mar 27, 2015

MacrumoursUser said:
Guys ****ing guys is not how human kind moves forward and evolution takes place.

7 billion people on the planet growing at an exponential rate, and you're worried about evolution moving forward? Our evolution is far more threatened by global corporatism than it is by 10% of the population not reproducing.

2010mini · Mar 27, 2015

brianvictor7 said:
Basically correct. There was a time when the country when we had such a thing as shame. Now it is gone. This law is meant to protect those who feel obliged to take a stand against immoral behavior. That isn't going to change the worldly behavior. I Cor 5:9ff

You do realize that scripture was dealing with sins within the church and not those outside right?

Again I ask, if you shun homosexuals, whom you are suppose to entreat to Christ, how will you reach them?

That law only protect their own righteousness which is as filthy as what they perceive as sin.

Gasu E. · Mar 27, 2015

thekeyring said:
Christians who believe, quietly, privately and without spreading hate, that homosexuality is wrong, are still forced to perform gay marriage ceremonies.

Yes, a government employee whose job is to provide marriage certificates may actually be required to do his or here job.

What other people are being "forced to perform gay marriage ceremonies?"

caesarp · Mar 27, 2015

scottsjack said:
Yes but no one cares whether you or I disrespect any view based on desert nomads and their alleged holy books. It is the liberty of the believer that we are concerned with. The believer has sole ownership of their views and opinions just as you and I have sole ownership of ours.

Selling something is NOT a belief. If you don't like gays, that is not a belief like believing in an all powerful divine spirit. Calling something a religous belief doesn't make it so. So using religion to make business decisions in a secular world is absurd.

OLDCODGER · Mar 27, 2015

fitshaced said:
As I said, you don't accept the definition of perversion. If you did, you would not have posed that question.

MacrumoursUser · Mar 27, 2015

fitshaced said:
Normal is not the word you are looking for then. It might be more accurate to say 'ineffective for population growth'.

Considering the world has a population problem, it's not such a bad thing that many couples can't or don't want to have kids regardless of their sexual orientation. Normal can only be defined in your head for what you believe it to be. Are people born left handed normal people?

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Show me the page in the dictionary that says gay people are perverts?

Both left handed and right handed are normal since its determined genetically which being gay is as far as i know is not. You are not born gay, you become one due to external factors. There are no accepted studies that prove some gene or genes to exist that play role in human sexual orientation.

fitshaced · Mar 27, 2015

td1439 said:
7 billion people on the planet growing at an exponential rate, and you're worried about evolution moving forward? Our evolution is far more threatened by global corporatism than it is by 10% of the population not reproducing.

Agreed. It's also silly to use the term evolution as evolution can't move forward if people don't change. Not suggesting we all need to turn gay but if homosexual activity is growing, it is progressing evolution more than the traditional mindsets of others who want to stay the same.

td1439 · Mar 27, 2015

Gasu E. said:
What other people are being "forced to perform gay marriage ceremonies?"

Hopefully, none. To me, the separation of church and state goes two ways.

fitshaced · Mar 27, 2015

OLDCODGER said:
As I said, you don't accept the definition of perversion. If you did, you would not have posed that question.

I accept the definition of perversion, not the irresponsible use of the word.

MacrumoursUser · Mar 27, 2015

td1439 said:
7 billion people on the planet growing at an exponential rate, and you're worried about evolution moving forward? Our evolution is far more threatened by global corporatism than it is by 10% of the population not reproducing.

Genetic diversity. There is no other way. ****ing your pal will not provide that.

fitshaced · Mar 27, 2015

MacrumoursUser said:
Both left handed and right handed are normal since its determined genetically which being gay is as far as i know is not. You are not born gay, you become one due to external factors. There are no accepted studies that prove some gene or genes to exist that play role in human sexual orientation.

No accepted studies such as what? What studies have you read that you discarded?

brianvictor7 · Mar 27, 2015

2010mini said:
You do realize that scripture was dealing with sins within the church and not those outside right?

Yes.

2010mini said:
Again I ask, if you shun homosexuals, whom you are suppose to entreat to Christ, how will you reach them?

I agree with your point. We are not in disagreement.

2010mini said:
That law only protect their own righteousness which is as filthy as what they perceive as sin.

Disagree with the spirit of this statement. Discriminators are trying to help society by trying to suppress a seriously bad sexual behavior. Even if I believe that this is an ineffective way of going about the problem, I don't question their intentions. Also, there is no point in saying they shouldn't try just because they aren't perfect themselves. The ideal doesn't change just because we fall short of it.

rei101 · Mar 27, 2015

usarioclave said:
You might be free to believe whatever, but that doesn't mean your beliefs don't have consequences.

It just takes time. For me, working with a lesbian would be not good and is because I was not raised like that and is not in my nature. Now, there is nothing wrong with it it is that I am not used to and i would like to work with things that are regular by my standards. I can not work killing chickens neither or cleaning windows on a skyscraper.

But you have to understand it is your own issue and not to make a policy for every one else who may not give a crap about it. I respect as I would like to be respected in not working with people like that.. so far... I may be ok after a while, what is the lesbian is a tomboy but very helpful and friendly? I'll be ok.

MacrumoursUser · Mar 27, 2015

fitshaced said:
No accepted studies such as what? What studies have you read that you discarded?

Stop fishing. Broken record.

fitshaced · Mar 27, 2015

MacrumoursUser said:
Stop fishing. Broken record.

Yeah, no need for you to back up what you say, right? You're the majority and that's that.

OLDCODGER · Mar 27, 2015

fitshaced said:
As I said, his methods were different. But, he wanted a superior race. You suggested that if genetic modification was the answer, we could fix people from being gay which means you believe them to be inferior and need fixing.

First, I said race - the German race.

Second: since perversion of biology is counter to the continued existence/ evolution of the Human Race, then, yes, it is inferior to the norm. Whether it can be fixed or not depends upon whether it is actually caused by a rogue gene, or something else.

BTW, I would argue for similar solutions for other major defects, which cause so much grief, and little or no benefit.

downpour · Mar 27, 2015

brianvictor7 said:
But it is perfectly fine for irreligious people to get away with the very poor behavior of sleeping with whomever they please and spreading venereal diseases which, correct me if I'm wrong, affects the lives of other people (Note: I'm speaking of all kinds of sexual immorality here, not merely homosexual).

So you are saying only atheists sleep around?

Personally I've been an atheist from birth and I will be faithful to my wife until I am dead. The same can be said for many gay people. On the other hand clearly many religious people are not faithful to their partners at all. This leads me to conclude personal ethics has little to do with mythology.

MacrumoursUser · Mar 27, 2015

fitshaced said:
Yeah, no need for you to back up what you say, right? You're the majority and that's that.

Backup what. If you know of any studies that were published in respectable science journals claiming its genetic please show me since I'm not aware of any such studies.

fitshaced · Mar 27, 2015

OLDCODGER said:
First, I said race - the German race.

Second: since perversion of biology is counter to the continued existence/ evolution of the Human Race, then, yes, it is inferior to the norm. Whether it can be fixed or not depends upon whether it is actually caused by a rogue gene, or something else.

BTW, I would argue for similar solutions for other major defects, which cause so much grief, and little or no benefit.

German is not a race.

Is Tim Cook inferior to you and me?

So being gay is a major defect? How exactly does it cause harm other than groups against it targeting people with verbal and physical abuse and now discriminating by openly refusing admission in some states.

Gasu E. · Mar 27, 2015

WestonHarvey1 said:
Who is picking on gay people?

Every passage in the New Testament that could possibly be interpreted as relating to homosexuality has that reference tucked among a long laundry list of other "sins." Yet you never hear these so-called Christians batting an eye at any most of these other behaviors-- some of them are even practice regularly by a good number of these self-declared "Christians". How many self-declared Christians are themselves "revilers"?

OLDCODGER · Mar 27, 2015

fitshaced said:
Agreed. It's also silly to use the term evolution as evolution can't move forward if people don't change. Not suggesting we all need to turn gay but if homosexual activity is growing, it is progressing evolution more than the traditional mindsets of others who want to stay the same.

Er ... you do realize that evolution has had more dead ends than can be counted?

Apple CEO Tim Cook Speaks Out Against Indiana's 'Religious Freedom' Law

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