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aldrinjtauro

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Didn't actually watch the keynote video, but I was checking out multiple live blogs. Did the font change to San Francisco? Some elements seemed like it, but the text typed into Spotlight didn't quite.. Hope they don't use both in the UI..
 

redheeler

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I noticed that as well:
el-capitan-02.png


Spotlight doesn't use the system font for the search text in Yosemite either though. It's quite noticeably still Helvetica on my iMac despite the system font change to San Francisco.
 

tomtad

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It lists 'new system font' as one of the new features in the keynote, I think this is something that will be introduced fully in a later build. I also noticed the similar thing on the iOS 9 demo, the new Siri screen was in San Fransisco whilst the rest of the UI was Helvetica. It's a bit odd that they didn't get this sorted for the keynote, must have been a last minute change.
 

notrack

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Afaik the press release said it is San Francisco.

"OS X El Capitan refinements begin with the new system font, San Francisco, a modern and easy-to-read typeface that looks stunning on a Retina® display. ..."
 
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Planey28

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It lists 'new system font' as one of the new features in the keynote, I think this is something that will be introduced fully in a later build. I also noticed the similar thing on the iOS 9 demo, the new Siri screen was in San Fransisco whilst the rest of the UI was Helvetica. It's a bit odd that they didn't get this sorted for the keynote, must have been a last minute change.

The whole UI of iOS 9 is SF, and as for it not being mentioned, a typeface change probably doesn't come across as a big deal to a lot of iOS users.
 

zxy

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I noticed that as well:
el-capitan-02.png


Spotlight doesn't use the system font for the search text in Yosemite either though. It's quite noticeably still Helvetica on my iMac despite the system font change to San Francisco.

That's a helvetica-ish version of San Francisco, not helvetica. Look closer.
 

DavidBlack

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Somewhere In Apple's HQ ;)
From Apple's website, "
New system font.
The new Chinese system font PingFang is designed for a modern appearance and crisp onscreen readability in both Traditional and Simplified Chinese."
 

notrack

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That's a helvetica-ish version of San Francisco, not helvetica. Look closer.

Yeah. The screenshots on the Apple website look a lot like Helvetica, esp. the "e" is very much rounded and wider instead of the more characteristic shape of SF. I'd call it San Franvetica.
 

Superhai

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If you open TextEdit is the San Francisco Font available to use in a document?
No, you can't choose San Francisco as installed by default. However, if you go to previously used, "System Font" show up and in the font file it says "San Francisco is a trademark of Apple Inc.".
 
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Traverse

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I don't like the sound of this.

They need to optimize for those "ancient" non-retina screens too. I have a retina display, but it's closed 90% of the time hooked up to 24" displays with a 96 PPI. While not terrible, it's certainly not retina. Don't build for displays that 75%+ of your consumers don't use.
 
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Traverse

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They need to optimize for those "ancient" non-retina screens too. I have a retina display, but it's closed 90% of the time hooked up to 24" displays with a 96 PPI. While not terrible, it's certainly not retina. Don't build for displays that 75%+ of your consumers don't use.


CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME: One feature I REALLY wanted in Yosemite was a bold font option. Is there one under accessibility for El Capitan?


EDIT: somehow, I quoted myself? :confused:
 
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AustinIllini

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No, you can't choose San Francisco as installed by default. However, if you go to previously used, "System Font" show up and in the font file it says "San Francisco is a trademark of Apple Inc.".
I think by release this will be ironed out and San Francisco will be made available. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is still assessing the look and feel of iOS and OS X.
 

Traverse

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Here is a better font comparison. Helvetica Neue followed by the 10.11 version of San Francisco.

Thank you, that was very helpful. I actually think I like the 10.11 font better :)

I'm surprised because I didn't care for the Watch version of San Francisco on OS X, but this one looks more refined.

EDIT: I will add, it's a subtle difference. Definitely noticeable to an aware user, but I suspect most people won't even notice.
 

HLX

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You're right, I just posted this comparison on another thread. San Francisco on the left, 10.11 font on the right.
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Aesthetically I prefer the left, but my typographic head says the right is that bit more legible.
 
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