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Adobe To Preview Universal Apps Next Week?

MacsRgr8 said:
hahahahaha

You made my day, tnx.

Remember that the G5 still is a very fast processor. Even UB games running native on both platforms (Doom 3, Quake 4, Halo 2, UT 2004) were faster on the Quad G5 than the Mac Pro tnx to the better grfx card.
If the G5 were a much slower CPU we would have found out that these heavy games would have had CPU-related performance issues. Ofcourse we can't be sure until the Mac Pro will get the X1900 XT grfx card in their test lab... but then the Mac Pro will have a better grfx card than the Quad G5... and so on.... :eek:
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Halo 2 isn't even out on the Mac, or PC for that matter. Secondly, you're comparing graphics card intensive software, like games, to processor intensive applications to like PS, it's apples to oranges.

The G5 is no slouch, I agree, but the Core 2 chips are a leap ahead, technologically.
 
bretm said:
That test does show PS to be faster under rosetta. But yes, on MP aware functions. Not much point in comparing MP machines if you're not comparing MP functions.
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For goodness sake, it does'nt - the shorter bar is fastest.

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I'm sorry, but your claim that the Mac Pro (of any speed) is faster than the quad g5 is wrong.
 
Westside guy said:
As far as a public beta goes - it'd be cool, but Adobe has no real motivation to do it. Lightroom was in danger of losing out on a brand new market. There's nothing out there to supplant the Creative Suite.
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At the moment there isn't a real competitor to the Creative Suite. On the Windows :( side of life Microsoft are are bringing Expressions to market in the near future. http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/default.mspx

If anything is going to make Adobe worried, my guess it's got to be Microsoft as a major competitor. Competition can only be good for the consumer though, especially if there is major competition on the Windows platform and Adobe maintains identical capability with the Mac version of CS.

An early (May '06) comparison between Expressions and DreamWeaver here http://www.digitalmediadesigner.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=43025.
 
From MacWorld.co.uk

Adobe plans to reveal some of the features it's developing within the next version of Photoshop this week.


John Loiacono, senior vice president of Adobe's Creative Solutions Business, will offer attendees at the National Association of Photoshop Professionals' (NAPP) Photoshop World Conference and Expo a glimpse at the new software during a presentation on 7 September.


This news emerges as unconfirmed rumours begin to fly about Adobe plans to accelerate its announced release schedule for the software.
 
Westside guy said:
I might be misinterpreting what you meant here, but Apple's 3-5% marketshare of desktops overall just doesn't correlate to the pro app market - Apple's computers still dominate the creative market. Plus long-time Apple customers are often insanely loyal; so if Adobe and Apple come out with similar quality apps (and I'm not saying Premiere is anywhere near FCP), I'd bet most of those customers would go with the Apple solution.

I think the bottom line issue with Premiere on the Mac was just that it sucked compared to Final Cut, and Adobe realized they'd already lost that particular war - so the intelligent (but painful) business decision was made to simply concede the market.

The wild card in all this talk is: How many non-professionals purchase and use the Creative Suite? (and here we have to limit ourselves to legal sales rather than considering cracked versions, or when Billy Bob uses his install CD to put CS on several of his friends' computers). If it's a significant percentage of the overall CS market, then suddenly the overall marketshare distribution matters much more. My suspicion, based just on observation (so totally non-scientific), is that there aren't really a significant number of non-pro customers that buy the Suite, or even the full version of the individual apps - except for Acrobat, which is really a different market.
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You and I are in complete agreement. Maybe I didn't quite phrase it as clearly.
 
jrhone said:
Photoshop CS2 was released April 2005....18 months would be October release...September announcement....FYI, Photoshop CS was released October 2003...EXACTLY 18 months before CS2....Photoshp 7 was relesed March 2002, 19 months before CS. Photoshop 6 was released September 2000 (18 months)....So the last 4 updates came EXACTLY 18-19 months apart....I expect an Adobe announcement for CS3, and a release this year....
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If the transition that Apple made to IntelMacs was as easy as they told us and Lepoard is coming along as fast as it is, is it not safe to assume that CS3 will be sharp in coming too? I think it all depends on how much they are going to put into the new CS package. In other words, I believe they have probably nailed the intel bit but are making it a worthwhile update of CS2.
 
csau06 said:
At the moment there isn't a real competitor to the Creative Suite. On the Windows side of life Microsoft are are bringing Expressions to market in the near future.
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I agree with your statement that competition is good, and I'd love to see some. It's just that having fought the battles with FrontPage users' pages in the past, I have a real hard time seeing Microsoft as any sort of competitor to Adobe in this area.

I am sure they will get some buzz, since there are plenty of Microsoft fanboys that write tech columns (as there are Apple fanboys, too). But getting traction in the pro community is a different thing. Not to mention that they're severely limiting themselves right off the bat with their ASP.net-only requirement ("Hey! Here's a great new product idea! Let's make a pro web design tool that won't be usable with 60-70 percent of the servers out there!")

Note: I am not at all unbiased in this, since I manage a site where we use the Dreamweaver + Contribute system.
 
BakedBeans said:
For goodness sake, it does'nt - the shorter bar is fastest.

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I'm sorry, but your claim that the Mac Pro (of any speed) is faster than the quad g5 is wrong.
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Actually, his Mac Pro and my Mac Pro are faster, just not at Photoshop because we're emulating PPC instructions via Rosetta. I'm sure when a UB version of PS is released everything will change significantly. It's amazing just how well Rosetta works and that PS is usable under it.
 
I am not sure if anyone is still interested in this, but i was at the conference keynote this morning for the photoshop world conference. The focus from adobe was mostly about lightroom. Although as a little tidbit, they gave a brief.... and i mean very breif, viewing of photoshop cs3. he showed that it was a universal app in the get info pannel. PS.CS3 appeared to opened very fast. The image he opened had 9 individual & different sky with clouds images layed out into a grid formation. He moved one of the grids and then put it back. then he hit a key command and all of the images came alive (probably powered through flash).

The guy from adobe did say that this is not a port of a previous version but (if memory serves me) is a complete rewrite. no mention of release date was brought up (so the 18-24 months is still the only info i have heard). From start to finish he had photoshop cs3 visable to the audience for 2-3 minutes at the very most.

So it is little news, but it is a tidbit. One thing that I did think about while he was doing the demo, was that one of the reasons for the complete rewrite may be to integrate macromedia apps (mostly flash and dreamweaver) in deep with current adobe products in the same manner that the creative suite does.

on a personal level of speculation - i would not be surprised if adobe was going to be putting a for sale sign up on golive, freehand and fireworks. Since with the merger, these are the three overlapping products that don't pull thier weight in compairson to the application with in the same market.
 
mmcxiiad said:
i would not be surprised if adobe was going to be putting a for sale sign up on golive, freehand and fireworks. Since with the merger, these are the three overlapping products that don't pull thier weight in compairson to the application with in the same market.
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Wouldn't it be nice to see Apple buy freehand... hmm....
 
mmcxiiad said:
... Although as a little tidbit, they gave a brief.... and i mean very breif, viewing of photoshop cs3. he showed that it was a universal app in the get info pannel. ... One thing that I did think about while he was doing the demo, was that one of the reasons for the complete rewrite may be to integrate macromedia apps (mostly flash and dreamweaver) in deep with current adobe products in the same manner that the creative suite does.
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Spot on. I was at an Adobe "Inside InDesign" afternoon workshop in San Francisco a week ago, along with several hundred other people, and the presenter took a moment to stress Adobe's 18-24 month window between versions and that the next generation would be universal binaries.

But the main point made regarding the next generation was that large users (i.e. users buying 100's of seats of Creative Suite for their staff) were concerned most with integration.

One reason for the success of InDesign in dethroning the industry standard Quark during last 7 years was the way that InDesign integrated with Photoshop, Illustrator, and then used Acrobat technology to create top quality "Press-ready" pdf's. Since the Macromedia merger, I assume that CS3 will - at the minimum - need to integrate Flash into the mix.

Since this Creative Suite will be used for serious production by these companies for 2+ years, Adobe has to get this integration right. So even though they've known about the Intel switch for a while, the universal binaries are NOT Adobe's top priority. And not the top priority of their major user base. Instead it is to have an evolving, stable, integrated cross-platform product line that also runs on the new Intel Macs.
 
the good and bad of the senario

as inconvient as this is for users who have intel mac (like myself), who can't wait for the universal version of the creative suite to be released, this really is a perfect dream senario for adobe:

they aquisition of macromedia was already going to require a serious rewrite of the Creative Suite to integrate everything from macromedia (that they plan on keeping). This was already something that had to be planning when they initially thought about buying macromedia. So the oppertunity to also build in universal support at the same time is a lucky break. they kill two birds with one new version and take take the time to really optimize things for the intel platform.
 
cgc said:
Actually, his Mac Pro and my Mac Pro are faster, just not at Photoshop because we're emulating PPC instructions via Rosetta. I'm sure when a UB version of PS is released everything will change significantly. It's amazing just how well Rosetta works and that PS is usable under it.
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If you read the conversation we were having you will realise that is exactly what i was saying.

The claim was photoshop was faster - I've had 30 results through to my speed test and they all show that the mac pro is slower

that will obviously change with UBs
 
The Plot Thickens

So, after my report earier about the new CS3 demo at photoshop world in vegas, i have a piece of supplemental infomation.

I attended Dr Russell Brown's class tonight (if you don't know who he is, google him for info).... anyway, he wanted to again show off the redpill (code name for cs3) and when he did he opened a quicktime file and showed the same demo that was previewed at the keynote yesterday.

(both at the keynote and today, they both made a big deal about how "Adobe" is going to get angrey that you are about to see this, but i will do it anyway. personally, i think this is was all a ploy.)

So, putting the pieces togeather, adobe is a sneaky, sneaky group. Instead of a live demo yesterday, it was just a full screen quicktime demo that would show off everything they wanted you to see and nothing else (neither other features or an accedental crash). This was not apparent during the keynote and was made to appear as if it was happening live.

(thus if adobe didn't wan't anyone to see it, the guy at the keynote had his timing down perfectly to appear as if he was actually doing it.)

so i don't know if this means that things are still very late alpha, mid beta or what, but adobe wasn't taking any chances. Dr. Brown did reemphisize and specifically call reference to the fact that the clouds in the file were moving, and while he didn't specifically say flash, that is what i would be willing to bet a whole lot, that it is a core component of the new version of photoshop and other cs apps. (although Idoubt any of the casinos here would give good odds on this bet as it almost seems an absolute).

on a somewhat related sad note. Dr Brown had everyone atteneding write a hiaku and the winner would be added as a beta user to cs3.... based on my lack of excitement on this part of my commentary, you should be able to figure out if i won or not.
 
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