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WWDC: Leopard Details

The default wallpaper, the wet grass, looks like it was downloaded in a hurry last night from wallpapers.com (or some such) and doesn't dfferentiate itself from half a dozen linux distros, fairly ordinary IMHO.

Fortunately it's an easy change. :)
 
gikku said:
The default wallpaper, the wet grass, looks like it was downloaded in a hurry last night from wallpapers.com (or some such) and doesn't dfferentiate itself from half a dozen linux distros, fairly ordinary IMHO.

Fortunately it's an easy change. :)
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Or they nabbed it from MS....
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;) J/K
 
I meant Desktop...

What I mean is, if you change the default resolution from your display settings, will things (icons, etc.) look nice or blurry, like in Tiger?

inkhead said:
resolutions change fine. What do you mean of my desk? Everything is res independent. So CTRL + scrollwheel does this fine. But this feature was already made very clear since last WWDC, IE resolution independence. It also has a bunch of session PDF files on res independence.
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gikku said:
The default wallpaper, the wet grass, looks like it was downloaded in a hurry last night from wallpapers.com (or some such) and doesn't dfferentiate itself from half a dozen linux distros, fairly ordinary IMHO.

Fortunately it's an easy change. :)
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Well, it really seemed like Apple is pushing for everyone to use their own photos as their desktop background.

Does anyone know if there are any new backgrounds with the dev. copies? I know there are new screen-savers, but it really seems like Tiger's blue background is the pinnacle. Now we're supposed to use our own photos.

But I wonder what the default is...

-=|Mgkwho
 
gmanrique said:
What I mean is, if you change the default resolution from your display settings, will things (icons, etc.) look nice or blurry, like in Tiger?
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All LCDs are blurry at anything less than their native resolution, you can't do anything about that. But, with resolution independence, you can make things bigger while remaining at the same resolution.
 
SMM said:
Rubbish. Your post is so obviously slanted, it loses any credibility.
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Slanted towards what exactly?

If you think I'm anti Mac you're wrong.
If you think I'm p**sed at a poor showing of new featues you'd be right.
I was just capturing what I tought the reasons for all the negativity were.
 
iChat??

SWC said:
It's there just because he didn't demo it live doesn't mean its gone, if you look at some of the finder pics youll see "share desktop" etc.
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I sure hope you're right. You would think the desktop sharing feature of iChat would be listed on the new OSX page and it's not. Here's what used to be there (thanks to Google cache):

Share and share alike

Remote control takes on a whole new meaning with iChat in Leopard. Thanks to iChat Screen Sharing, you and your buddy can observe and control a single desktop via iChat, making it a cinch to collaborate with colleagues, browse the Web with a friend, or pick the perfect plane seats with your spouse. Share your own desktop or share your buddy’s — you both have complete control at all times. And when you start a Screen Sharing session, iChat automatically initiates an audio chat so you can talk things through while you’re at it.

If it is gone, that would be very unfortunate. Aside from Time Machine, that was one of the main reasons I wanted to upgrade. I guess we'll know for certain pretty soon.

-Squire
 
I somehow agree with that...

Especially since those secret features were hidden so that MS will not copy them.

So, although Leopard is looking very nice and a solid new version, the problem was Steve's decision to put too much mistery on some "secret features" and the hype genereated by it.

JGowan said:
Guys -- easy there. I think I can speak for some that we're dissapointed because the so-called SECRET FEATURES that we've all been waiting for turned out to be not quite so incredible. The situation is this: the two biggest features announced last year were SPACES and TIME MACHINE -- so it was easy to believe that the Secret ones would be even more awesome (and those were/are very cool) -- it seems they're still the stand out features even now that the Secret ones are out.

Stacks, Quick Look and the new Finder ARE great -- but -- I just don't think they're quite what some of us were hoping for. Personally, I thought we'd see Apple put Parallels out of business with PC underpinings right in Leopard (run PC software without Windows). We're not whining but we probably are grumbling just a bit. We've waited a long time for the final unveiling of this stuff and we're having to wait until October... I think we've earned the right to at least say something.
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dashiel said:
[sarcasm]don't worry, apple has a super-secret build that they'll release to developers in late september, it will have loads of cool stuff[/sarcasm]

actually i think leopard is shaping up very nicely. stacks are going to be great... a long time coming/missing but they look to be better than their spiritual ancestor the pop-up folder.

new finder is minor, but a nice upgrade... though does anyone else think all this coverflow stuff is the calm before the proverbial multi-touch display storm?

i love mail's to do lists, can't wait to buy or write a plug-in for basecamp integration.

overall i think it's going to be fantastic. can't wait. of course i'll have to as i'll be in india all of october.
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Unfortunately stacks is only in the dock....

And whats with this 3-d dock, does it actually do anything or does it just look cool?
 
Lol, everyone is watching the keynote and posts aren't being made every 5 seconds anymore =P

Does anyone know how I can download it to my HD instead of watching it streamed in Quicktime?
The Save-As option seems to just save a reference I believe.
 
I'm seriously thinking of never sharing any information here again. People here act like 12 year olds, even if they are. ;) Grow up.

for those of you whining about the 'secret features' what exactly did Apple not include that you wanted? Please do tell us.

  • Leopard works on any machine down to a g4. (My guess is people will hack it for g3 as usual)
  • Speed up using solid state NAND or faster memory (like Vista ReadyBoost)
  • No restarting to use Bootcamp. Just select "Switch to Windows" from OS X, and your machine goes to sleep. Wake it up and your in Windows. You can do the same thing once in Windows to switch back to mac. VERY VERY NICE feature, no reason to use virtualization for me at least.
  • Redone Unix Underpinnings (HUGE FEATURE)
  • Completely Re-written Finder (This is a year + of work alone)
  • The resolution independence with zoom (CTRL+scrollwheel), yes it's in the zoom, because ZOOM is for accessibility or disabled users, so having the text and controls GO sharper IS THE PROPER WAY.
  • Completely New Speech. Think better than AT&T voices, seriously listening to text2speech read your documents is worth $129 to me alone.
  • Completely new mail client. Much faster, better calendar support, keep notes
  • GLOBAL date notice, right click on a date or time and OS X will be smart and offer to add it to your iCal
  • Global Screen and Document sharing, anyone can write it into their cocoa apps to share documents from EVERY program if two users are online. This is a GIANT leap forward for EVERYONE who actually works for a living.
  • transparent menu bar (optional), is EXCELLENT, you ONLY focus on your documents (and i thought i would hate it)
  • Spotlight, completely re-written with faster database, and backend
  • Finder, did I mention it's completely new? Networking, browsing, anything that used to beachball is SUPER FAST. The finder doesn't beachball on large folders, nor do you wait for thumbnails to come up, or wait period. You can try network shares as fast as you can click them.
  • The entire system has new underpinnings, that are better threaded. No pause if you click on a menu. THIS IS REALLY, REALLY big deal, as it takes months to rewrite that code that handles this sort of thing.
  • Redesigned printing servics, and dialogs, no more of that HORRIBLE 60 dropdown items. Preview of your document (thumbnail) is in every print dialog, and page setup can be reached from this window. Also printing does not put up a dialog covering the screen while it spools pages. No more stopping your productivity, while you wait to spool.

    I'm just getting warmed up. It's extremely fast. This alone is worth $129, Anyone complaining that the update is 'lame' should just stick to their Tiger, and PLEASE stop posting :)
 
Tiger has a list of all of the 200+ features that were new with it on Apple's website, when do you think that we will get a list like that for Leopard?
 
CJD2112 said:
Wow, all this negativity. I'm really surprised by the comments on Leopard and WWDC being a disappointment. First, Leopard 10.5 isn't claiming to cure cancer lol. Second, I believe most people have their expectations far too high. Pass judgment when the final product is on the market. In the meantime, we know:

1) 64 and 32 bit support
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Meh.

2) New file system (ZFS) and finder (cocoa)
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Is the new FS bootable? Finder being cocoa. Where did you see this? I'm not finding any reference to this on Apple's site.


3) Core animation
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Until I see something really useful come out of this...meh.

4) New .Mac for seamless and instant syncing and file searching with multiple systems/desktops.
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You are talking two different things. The .Mac thing is only useful if you have multiple Macs. Or if you have a Mac account, something that most Mac users don't have because its a piss poor value.
File searching on multiple desktops. No brainer. Apple should have done this YEARS ago.

5) Finder Coverflow (it is an ADDITIONAL OPTION for viewing). I suspect the possibility that Leopard may allow users to configure the GUI in terms of color and scheme, similar to *cough* Windows *cough*cough*, for those that may not want all the flash of the new Leopard system.
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Options are good. Options are always good. Its a nice feature. I question if its worth a price tag of 3 figures.

6) Stacks (stellar method for tight organization).
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Stacks is nothing more then a popup folder that displays content. You can already do this now sans the effect and previews.

7) New iChat 4.0 (remember the "Answering Machine" option discussed a few months ago on Macrumors? Jobs didn't even discuss it, which usually means it's "under wraps". My take: iPhone will have live video conferencing capabilities with iChat 4.0, which is why users can record video away messages), as well as AAC-LD enhanced audio (perhaps for iPhone use as well?). Jobs didn't mention remote desktop use in iChat either.
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I don't use iChat for one reason. Many of my contacts aren't on AIM. So another useless feature I'd be paying for.

8) Spaces (I'm using it on the last beta of Leopard and LOVE it). It allows greater multitasking by putting the 64-bit power to use, allowing one desktop to run iTunes in the background, while another for word processing or spreadsheet work, and another and another, with seamless flowing between each. For those who don't have a large monitor, it basically increases work space exponentially.
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I've had an on again off again affair with multiple desktop utilities. Never cared for them. Even Leopards version is little more then a streamlined version integrated into the OS. Nothing overly new.

9) Safari 3. Genius that they have produced a Windows version, to give Windows I.E. users a taste of an great browser that DOESN'T crash repeatedly. This will only entice more Windows/PC users into the world of Apple, Inc.
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Firefox and it extensions. enough said.

10) New desktop and consistency throughout the OS, including a much needed revamp of the left side of the Finder menu.
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So we are paying for something that should have happened years ago. Got it.

Jobs hasn't even discussed iLife '07, iPhone to OS integration, the "share screen" mystery option, etc. Let's reserve any final judgments for when the product is finalized and keep in mind, Leopard is just an OS with improvements for an already stellar Operating System. :)
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I think we can safely say that Apple had a feature lock on Leopard at this point. As for iLife '07 and integration. Meh. iPhone I couldn't give less of a crap about.
Stellar OS is relative. If I can cause the Finder to beachball because of a network share I call it status quo OS.
 
inkhead said:
[*]Finder, did I mention it's completely new? Networking, browsing, anything that used to beachball is SUPER FAST. The finder doesn't beachball on large folders, nor do you wait for thumbnails to come up, or wait period. You can try network shares as fast as you can click them.
[*]The entire system has new underpinnings, that are better threaded. No pause if you click on a menu. THIS IS REALLY, REALLY big deal, as it takes months to rewrite that code that handles this sort of thing.
[*]Redesigned printing servics, and dialogs, no more of that HORRIBLE 60 dropdown items. Preview of your document (thumbnail) is in every print dialog, and page setup can be reached from this window. Also printing does not put up a dialog covering the screen while it spools pages. No more stopping your productivity, while you wait to spool.

I'm just getting warmed up. It's extremely fast. This alone is worth $129, Anyone complaining that the update is 'lame' should just stick to their Tiger, and PLEASE stop posting :)
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OK THAT alone would be worth the $130 for me. Easily worth $130. Its simply the biggest headache in OS X for me. :eek:

where did you get that list? I would like to read more.
 
I definitely would have like to seen a hierarchical tree structure view in Finder like Windows has. When you're digging down through folders, it's nice to not have to extend your finder window across your whole screen and not be able to jump back and forth around your various folders.
 
inkhead said:
I'm just getting warmed up...
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Sounds really impressive!

What can you tell us about Finder "screen sharing..." and the remote desktop features that used to be on the Leopard iChat preview page but are no longer up on this revision?

Namely...is screen sharing limited to the Finder and within a LAN or will it be accessible over an internet iChat connection.
 
I don't mean to be insulting, but do you have eyes?? Seriously use them. The new dock is SHORTER in height than the old FLAT dock. Come-on, look before you post again.

r-sparks said:
Check out the videos at Apple's site. It all looks pretty good, although I'm not sure about the transparent menu. And that 3D dock looks like it might eat a lot of desktop space. But then I guess nearly all Macs have high resolutions nowadays.
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inkhead said:
I'm seriously thinking of never sharing any information here again. People here act like 12 year olds, even if they are. ;) Grow up.
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for those of you whining about the 'secret features' what exactly did Apple not include that you wanted? Please do tell us.
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ctrl+X, cut/paste, move file commend, call it what you will be I think it should be there by now.

Is there any other OS which is missing the ability to move a file in a single step? [.... If I'm missing something with Tiger I'll eat a ton of humble pie I promise. But if I'm right and it is missing and not put in place in Leopard then I'd be disappointed]

But with regards to the list of items you mention, I wonder if we'll see more positive feedback now that the WWDC video is up on Apple's site. I'm far more impressed with some of the UI changes having seen the presentation that I had been by prior descriptions, including the text on Apple's web-site.

I guess seeing is believing :D
 
why does everyone assume screen sharing is gone? Because Steve didn't show it in iChat so it 'must not exist anymore' logic?

Screensharing is now global, you can do it anywhere, not just in iChat. Sharing is covered on engadget, gizmodo, macrumors... Did I miss anywhere??/ You can share volumes, browse computers behind firewalls, support your mom who is behind a shared IP set....
 
macinfojunkie said:
Is there any other OS which is missing the ability to move a file in a single step? [.... If I'm missing something with Tiger I'll eat a ton of humble pie I promise. But if I'm right and it is missing and not put in place in Leopard then I'd be disappointed]
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command - drag and drop = move = cut and paste
 
Just because Steve didn't personally mention this little feature in leopard just for you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can't cut a file for a good reason. Cutting it then accidentally copying a snippet of text will overwrite your file genius. But if your using tiger "gasp!" you can just drag the file, then hit command key, and it switches from copy to "move" which is nice when moving large files between drives. CTRL+X? I assume you mean COMMAND+X which I just covered. Now wasn't not a single step about drag and drop again? Also "gasp!" using tiger open automator and create a new "move file" save as a plug-in, now right click on a file and you'll see under automator, things that you created like "Move to Applications"

Please guys, don't turn this into a support thread. If you think a features not in OS X, make damn sure you are certain before asking, and I will continue to post.

macinfojunkie said:
ctrl+X, cut/paste, move file commend, call it what you will be I think it should be there by now.

Is there any other OS which is missing the ability to move a file in a single step? [.... If I'm missing something with Tiger I'll eat a ton of humble pie I promise. But if I'm right and it is missing and not put in place in Leopard then I'd be disappointed]

But with regards to the list of items you mention, I wonder if we'll see more positive feedback now that the WWDC video is up on Apple's site. I'm far more impressed with some of the UI changes having seen the presentation that I had been by prior descriptions, including the text on Apple's web-site.

I guess seeing is believing :D
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