Or they'll get your $1600 when you buy a new Al iMac and a 1TB USB drive.
USB is for windows boxes. No, its FW all the way. (and I think $1600 is an underestimate).
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No Airdisk (Airport) Time Machine Backups!
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USB is for windows boxes. No, its FW all the way. (and I think $1600 is an underestimate).
Anyway, let's keep on topic.
This is a weird choice and I hope it is something that can easily fixed in a future firmware update for AEBS.
Airport Disk seems increasingly neutered. It can't work with TM and it can't serve
TV, even though there's not technological reason for it...
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Airport Disk seems increasingly neutered. It can't work with TM and it can't serve
TV, even though there's not technological reason for it...B
Firmware 7.2.1 blows big chunks. Apple better fix it quick (along with my freezing iMacs) or their "it just works" will bite them back.
That is one major reason I think they held back. The firmware does need some major work and I guess just didn't have the time to give it the focus it needs.
I expect the next update will/should fix some of the problems with the Airdisk and then we will see it as an option for Time Machine.
With 7.2.1 it just isn't stable enough IMO.
On topic, I think the real issue is the AEBS. I've read constant problems, regular resets, many using it as a bridge instead of a router since it doesn't support nearly as many router features as say a DLink 655 or DGL-4300 gaming router.
Plus most of what I've read the router has to reboot every couple of days, which would really be a bad interruption on your Time Machine backup. Data loss is likely the reason, and dropping the feature versus making it available and having it fail miserably is probably the main reason.
The AEBS is not stable, and I don't think Apple wanted a rush of people buying it just for the wireless Time Machine feature only to have it riddled with problems.
Plus most of what I've read the router has to reboot every couple of days, which would really be a bad interruption on your Time Machine backup. Data loss is likely the reason, and dropping the feature versus making it available and having it fail miserably is probably the main reason.
The AEBS is not stable, and I don't think Apple wanted a rush of people buying it just for the wireless Time Machine feature only to have it riddled with problems.
This is a weird choice and I hope it is something that can easily fixed in a future firmware update for AEBS.
Airport Disk seems increasingly neutered. It can't work with TM and it can't serve
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i agree here.
If that's the case, then they really dropped the ball. How many people saw the "Effortless Meets Wireless" blurb on the Time Machine page? How long did they wait to take that down? It seems, from reading these forums, that a lot of people have gone out and bought AEBS' just for Time Machine already, and now they're all pissed.
Apple's AirPort group needs to be overhauled. My AirPort Extreme Base Station and AirPort Express both worked fine up to firmware v. 5.5.1 (Extreme) and v.6.1.1 (Express). Apple then released a new firmware update that broke PPoE with certain DSL carriers (mainly SBC) on both devices.
I spent months working with an Apple engineer to sort out the problem sending back logs of data to him personally. He would e-mail me periodically with updates, but he finally left Apple. They never did fix the problem. There is a huge list of AirPort owners that had to revert the older firmwares in order to just connect to the Internet.
I shouldn't have, but I did, purchase an AirPort Extreme 802.11n Base Station (Gigabit). It actually does connect (same ISP as before), but I've had problems with it stalling, dropping connections and AirPort Disk is completely unstable. It was purchased just to use with Time Machine. Afterall, Steve Jobs specifically mentioned wireless backups with AirPort base stations at his WWDC keynote.
I spent months working with an Apple engineer to sort out the problem sending back logs of data to him personally. He would e-mail me periodically with updates, but he finally left Apple. They never did fix the problem. There is a huge list of AirPort owners that had to revert the older firmwares in order to just connect to the Internet.
I shouldn't have, but I did, purchase an AirPort Extreme 802.11n Base Station (Gigabit). It actually does connect (same ISP as before), but I've had problems with it stalling, dropping connections and AirPort Disk is completely unstable. It was purchased just to use with Time Machine. Afterall, Steve Jobs specifically mentioned wireless backups with AirPort base stations at his WWDC keynote.
I am sure that the AEBS is front and centre as to why TM won't do network backups but could it be something in TM? Why would they pull ALL network-based solutions save for those using Leopard?
Ditto.
Ditto.
There was also an entire paragraph on it on the Leopard website, as recently as last week. Of course there is that "all features listed above are subject to change or removal" caveat. I'm sure they'll put it back in at some point. Hopefully soon, because I hate wires.
I am sure that the AEBS is front and centre as to why TM won't do network backups but could it be something in TM? Why would they pull ALL network-based solutions save for those using Leopard?
Ditto.
They didn't pull all networked-based TM solutions. Just most.
Apple.com said:
They didn't pull all networked-based TM solutions. Just most.
Like I said, ALL network save for those using Leopard. Xsan...well..OK
It's sad to see this feature isn't here. It'd be a perfect method of using Time Machine.
I can attest to terrible firmware as well. Apple's routers are still flaky enough that I don't trust them compared to other brands.
My $10 Belkin only goes down when the power does. I can't seem to kill it otherwise.
Yeah right, it looks like Apple is at least supporting their own enterprise hardware for once.
I can attest to terrible firmware as well. Apple's routers are still flaky enough that I don't trust them compared to other brands.
My $10 Belkin only goes down when the power does. I can't seem to kill it otherwise.
I got me one of 'dem in my closet.Like I said, ALL network save for those using Leopard. Xsan...well..OK
Yeah right, it looks like Apple is at least supporting their own enterprise hardware for once.
Like I said, ALL network save for those using Leopard. Xsan...well..OK
Doh, mis-read that into "ALL network-based solutions for those using Leopard." Missed the "save" part. Apologies.
I bought the extreme for just this reason. I've sent Apple feed back on both the Airport Extreme and Mac OS X feedback forms. Hopefully they'll add this feature back once they fix the problem(s) that caused them to remove it. If anyone else wants to submit feedback I've provided links below.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html/
http://www.apple.com/feedback/airportextreme.html
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html/
http://www.apple.com/feedback/airportextreme.html
Done. That makes at least two! I also submitted feedback for the missing hologram effect in iChat.
Done. That makes at least two! I also submitted feedback for the missing hologram effect in iChat.
Three.
Macworld's Rob Griffiths is on top of it, but I e-mailed David Pogue to see what he can find out.
If it's like any other product launch, Macworld will get to interview Phil Schiller. Maybe he will make a public statement about the missing feature.
If it's like any other product launch, Macworld will get to interview Phil Schiller. Maybe he will make a public statement about the missing feature.
TM working with airport disk in GM
Well thank me later I got it working fellas. It was there in front of our faces with the exception of doing a chown and chmod.
Someone else please confirm I will post steps.
1) disconnect airport disk and plug into computer as a USB drive directly.
2) Set up time machine to use this volume.
3) In terminal cd to volume "cd /Volume/HDD"
4) In terminal "touch .com.apple.timemachine.supported" this will create an invisible file.
5) In terminal "sudo chown root:admin .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
6) In terminal "sudo chmod 1775 .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
7) In terminal "ls -l -a" the .com.apple.timemachine.supported file should be -rwxrwxr-t
8) eject disk, unplug from mac, plug into Airport.
9) mount at mac using connect to server in finder (command k) and afp://airportname.local./HDname
10) see if time machine now sees the drive and tries to use it.
Well thank me later
I got it working fellas. It was there in front of our faces with the exception of doing a chown and chmod.Someone else please confirm I will post steps.
1) disconnect airport disk and plug into computer as a USB drive directly.
2) Set up time machine to use this volume.
3) In terminal cd to volume "cd /Volume/HDD"
4) In terminal "touch .com.apple.timemachine.supported" this will create an invisible file.
5) In terminal "sudo chown root:admin .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
6) In terminal "sudo chmod 1775 .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
7) In terminal "ls -l -a" the .com.apple.timemachine.supported file should be -rwxrwxr-t
8) eject disk, unplug from mac, plug into Airport.
9) mount at mac using connect to server in finder (command k) and afp://airportname.local./HDname
10) see if time machine now sees the drive and tries to use it.