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Haha, I know exactly what you mean. That's part of the reason I'm really hoping they go with Softbank - DoCoMo will cost a fortune!
 
Got my bets on July

I haven't heard much recently, but I'm thinking in June we'll hear something. The version 2.0 update will come then and I figure so will some hardware updates. (And the hardware updates are what we'll need to get the thing flying in Japan.
Scott

I'm hedging bets it'll be July. The 2.0 update is critical to Enterprise rollouts and certainly in time for MNC global rollouts - my guess is they want to give themselves a solid 1 month lead time to iron out any kinks on existing devices and the new hardware will follow suit in Asia quite quickly.

that said, it'd be a pretty bold move to roll it out all at once of course!

I wouldn't mind being surprised ;)
 
Hmmm.... In Japan, however, the keitai (cell phone) demand being so strong and so varied (anyone who walks has a cell phone), if the iPhone does find much of a niche, I feel it will be a small one. For example, youths enjoying TV functionality or high quality camera phones or other such niche features already would see the iPhone as interesting but in many ways a downgrade, since it will not do what they are used to doing.

I agree, however I think the iPhone still has perfected some things Japanese phones do. Gaming: well the new SDK should be great, Email: I bet so much money it kicks PC mail on Softbank sharp phones, Web: PC site browsing just so much better,Music/videos: The Mobile iTunes store should be great. All my friends by music on their phones as much as they do for their iPods.

But I agree, the iPhones camera will be laughed at and lack of TV might be made up for by the video downloads and youtube. I don't know.


I think it's more of a "Non-Japanese = inferior" mentality than anything else. Think about it: how many foreign-made phones have you seen AU selling? I could be way off base here, but I don't recall EVER seeing a Motorola or Nokia sold by AU. This is in contrast to DoCoMo and Softbank, who have throughout the years offered various phones other than the stock Sharp/Panasonic/Toshiba/NEC cookie-cutter crap everyone shoves down our throats.

In any case, I believe the iPhone will do very well here for the simple reason that it blows away ANY Japanese phone in terms of usability and coolness. I mean, the people who see my hacked Touch are astounded when they see me flipping through pics, using coverflow, and typing emails at 40 words per minute. Which of course brings us to what has already been mentioned a few times: the iPhone and iPod Touch right now are TERRIBLE for Japanese input. My J-friends with Touches all complain about how difficult it is to input kana/kanji - the predictive entry method works fine (albeit slow) but the conversion choices are VERY small and therefore difficult to press. Apple needs to do something to address Japanese input methods on the iPhone, or else it will be a tremendous flop. (except for me and my fellow gaijin, who will line up to buy one on launch day) ... hehe
The not japanese point you spoke about is not necessarily true. Both AU and Softbank have some Korean manufacturers which you would think would not be liked but they are not.
Sorry all you DoCoMo haters, looks like it's official That Apple did meet with them.


Nothing firm yet though....
PLEASE NOT DOCOMO:(
if i was living in japan, the iphone would seem like inferior technology compared to the other phones available, 3g or not.
In some ways it does, in others it does not. Still no Japanese phones has such a great interface and media player!

Many of the features in Japanese phones don't likely find as much use outside of the big metropolis' like Tokyo et al. One-seg TV, IC chips for rail travel and paying at convenience stores and so on. For me personally these same features just aren't appealing... and I'm somewhat of a techno-geek. Why, don't they interest me ? Because I live in the REAL Japan.. I live in a smaller city (approx. 150,000 people) about 60+km north of Tokyo. I rarely ride a train. I have no interest in watching the Japanese TV that'd be available on a cell phone. And I'm rarely so rushed that I can't pull a ¥1000 bill out of my pocket to pay for my purchases at the convenience store.

That being said, there are NO features "missing" in the current iPhone for what I need. The key point in that sentence is CURRENT. Only Steve J. and company know what will be in the next iPhone. People keep forgetting that the iPhone is a 1.0 version. Apple obviously won't let it stall at 1.0. The iPhone will continue to evolve and change as time goes. Any talk of what it will or won't be is only speculation.
I see your point...but these TV/felica phones are cool. Who does not want to watch NHK Kids TV while paying for their アプルパイ all with their phones :p
I doubt the iPhone will get Felica and OneSeg but I think 3g and a better camera in 2.0. I also think they will continue to update the software of 1.0. Part of the iPhone is that it can be updated for free constantly.

Or Suica. Or Edy. Or Nanaco. Or ????? Those services are nice, but which one should they go with ? And again, as I said in my previous post... are they really relivant to the people who live outside of the mega-metropolis' ?
Felica works with Suica,Edy,and nanaco doesnt it? You just have to install the software.



It will defiantly take alota marketing to get the iPhone bigger here. Some apple geeks and young adventurers might buy it the way it is now but many japanese will stick to their other phones.
 
Asians

So i was in the apple store the other day, I saw a little asian guy roll in with atleast 4 g's in CASH buys about 12 iphones and leaves.
they go back to japan to sell them cause they figured out how to hack them to work in japan.
i thought it was really funny how that happened, i was tempted to jump the little guy and get 12 free iphones, but im a good person :]
 
So i was in the apple store the other day, I saw a little asian guy roll in with atleast 4 g's in CASH buys about 12 iphones and leaves.
they go back to japan to sell them cause they figured out how to hack them to work in japan.
i thought it was really funny how that happened, i was tempted to jump the little guy and get 12 free iphones, but im a good person :]

Now mister good stereotypical person 1) not all Asians are Japanese and 2) yes they do do this, but they are not hacked to work on the networks here. People use them as iPod Touches with cameras.
 
Typical Japanese iPhone

Hope you enjoy (im not trying to offenend anyone)

All my japanese (female) friends have charms and purikura (プリクラ) galore on their phones.
 

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If They Put The Iphone On Verizon, Verizon Will Probably Put The Ugly Interface Of The Voyager On Thge Iphone !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
IF THEY PUT THE IPHONE ON VERIZON, VERIZON WILL PROBABLY PUT THE UGLY INTERFACE OF THE VOYAGER ON THGE IPHONE !!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::p;):rolleyes::cool::eek::(:D:)

i think one of the reason verizon said no was that apple said no to verizons interface. i believe verizon was offered the phone first
 
No no, Apple would not agree to any branding of Phone... A user interface provided by network? I dont think so... Not even so much as a network painting on the physical like Orange do to all their Phones..
 
Good things come to those who wait, right?

This waiting is killing me! My gen 2 iPod 8GB Blackie Nano feels too small lately and the 32 GB Touch available here in Japan looks awful tempting! My Sharp cell phone via Softbank is almost two years old --it's all beat-up and the battery is rapidly heading south so that Nokia N95 which looks ready to be released here any day by Softbank looks mighty tempting too. But the hope of the imminent release of the iPhone in Japan has me totally paralyzed in this horrible sort of tech-purgatory that is just excruciating! If it was a 3G, 32 GB Ai (Love!) Phone released tomorrow, I swear I'd pay 100,000 yen to be raptured out of this hell I'm in now! Waiting, waiting waiting...
 
Hmmm.... In Japan, however, the keitai (cell phone) demand being so strong and so varied (anyone who walks has a cell phone), if the iPhone does find much of a niche, I feel it will be a small one. For example, youths enjoying TV functionality or high quality camera phones or other such niche features already would see the iPhone as interesting but in many ways a downgrade, since it will not do what they are used to doing. Users of simpler phones will see it as complex and flashy and gimmicky, whether or not that is true.

Also, the Japanese text conversion software in the iPhone must be as good or better than that in other phones to be taken seriously. Judging from Apple's less than desirable text conversion in Mac OS X, this is not likely to be found.

My guess is that the iPhone will be more of a Mac fan thing, since though it's great in America, there's a lot more to surviving the cell phone market in Japan than whether or not you can convert the network hardware. That's just the bare necessity. Without a competitive text conversion software, it will be a joke.
Thats assuming that the iPhone doesn't get specialized for this market.
Which they would be stupid (they're not) to not do.
 
i think one of the reason verizon said no was that apple said no to verizons interface. i believe verizon was offered the phone first
One thing Apple wanted was for it to be international compatible which unless they made a CDMA/GSM chipset it wouldn't be?
 
If it's CDMA, would that work on Verizon's CDMA network here?
It's a different CDMA than Verizon's CDMA2000. Their CDMA is like AT&T's 3G W-CDMA service here on a different frequency which is based off GSM. CDMA2000 like VZW won't operate or roam off a UMTS W-CDMA network.
 
One thing Apple wanted was for it to be international compatible which unless they made a CDMA/GSM chipset it wouldn't be?

I'm guessing Apple would have been allowed to make any models for the international scene, but in the US, Verizon would be the only one selling it.


I doubt it had anything to do with Verizon's OS, Verizon never installs that on smartphones, why would they force Apple to let them on the iPhone?

I don't think Verizon wants to pay Apple part of the service plan, honestly, I think they missed a great chance. Though, I'm glad AT&T got it!
 
FeliCa is a must...

2 major metropolitan areas (Tokyo and Osaka) alone consists of 40% of the whole population in Japan. And many people their heavily rely on Osaifu-Keitai (FeliCa). It's something that really replaces the wallet and it's starting to become a part of their life style. So, I don't think iPhone will stand a chance without it. I really hope apple will add FeliCa to iPhone...
 
2 major metropolitan areas (Tokyo and Osaka) alone consists of 40% of the whole population in Japan. And many people their heavily rely on Osaifu-Keitai (FeliCa). It's something that really replaces the wallet and it's starting to become a part of their life style. So, I don't think iPhone will stand a chance without it. I really hope apple will add FeliCa to iPhone...

Ya I agree. You can even use it at Ikea now! :eek:
However apple may have trouble pulling this off...
 
2 major metropolitan areas (Tokyo and Osaka) alone consists of 40% of the whole population in Japan. And many people their heavily rely on Osaifu-Keitai (FeliCa). It's something that really replaces the wallet and it's starting to become a part of their life style. So, I don't think iPhone will stand a chance without it. I really hope apple will add FeliCa to iPhone...
I don't know - I really hope Apple doesn't cave and make a Japanese-only version of the iPhone (since the rest of the world has no use for felica technology, there would be no point in putting it in iPhones meant for other countries) ...
 
why do you hope apple does not do that?

Also today all my japanese friends where talking about the iPhone in japanese (unusual cause im the only one who cares about anything technical)...then one turns to me and says "people say iPhone is coming to DoCoMo soon."

Metropolis Magazine claims softbank. All this shouldn't be taken to seriously though.
 
Round and round it goes....

why do you hope apple does not do that?

Also today all my japanese friends where talking about the iPhone in japanese (unusual cause im the only one who cares about anything technical)...then one turns to me and says "people say iPhone is coming to DoCoMo soon."

Metropolis Magazine claims softbank. All this shouldn't be taken to seriously though.

I sure hope DoCoMo does NOT get the iPhone. If they do it'll be another nail in the coffin of my iPhone hopes. I'm hoping for SoftBank and a low ..errr, decent price plan. Otherwise my banker (AKA, my wife) will shoot it down for sure. I've been saving for it since it was first announced.... I hope I don't have to 'settle' for an iPod Touch !
 
Now this makes perfect sense/ Japaneese wont buy a mobile if it dosen't have 3G capabilities. 3g iphone will be HOT in japan . Great strategy , Apple !!
 
I sure hope DoCoMo does NOT get the iPhone. If they do it'll be another nail in the coffin of my iPhone hopes. I'm hoping for SoftBank and a low ..errr, decent price plan. Otherwise my banker (AKA, my wife) will shoot it down for sure. I've been saving for it since it was first announced.... I hope I don't have to 'settle' for an iPod Touch !

According to an online poll done by All-In-One Internet Magazine, most Japanese agree with you in hopes that the iPhone will be a Softbank offering. For non-Japanese capable, Softbank was chosen by 42% to 38% who chose NTT Docomo. AU and PHS provider Willcom lag far behind.

Add me to that list. I've been with Softbank ever since they were J-Phone some seven years ago and all through their Vodafone days.

Just say no to DoCoMo. :p
 
why do you hope apple does not do that?

Well, adding Felica technology to the new iPhone will raise the cost, right? And since Apple doesn't make region-specific products (besides keyboards, of course) they will be selling the same hardware (the same 3G iPhone) worldwide, right? So, why should people in every country have to pay for something that only Japanese people can use? It just doesn't make sense. ;)
 
I've been with Softbank ever since they were J-Phone some seven years ago and all through their Vodafone days.

Just say no to DoCoMo. :p

Me too. A DoCoMo iPhone will be a tough pill to swallow; as much as I'm DYING to get an iPhone that would seriously make me reconsider. I hate DoCoMo with a passion, their pricing (read: gouging) is ridiculous.
 
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