If the Cylons were trying to make a fake Viper to fool the Colonials they wouldn't be so stupid as to make it shiny and new. Maybe she flew through some regenerative area of space that both bought her back to life and renewed her ship. The ships clock on shows 6 hours because it's only 6 hours old.
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If the Cylons were trying to make a fake Viper to fool the Colonials they wouldn't be so stupid as to make it shiny and new. Maybe she flew through some regenerative area of space that both bought her back to life and renewed her ship. The ships clock on shows 6 hours because it's only 6 hours old.
Agreed, I don't really think the Cylons are involved in this one. Guess we'll see though...
Well, Starbuck's entrance was quite "white" when she stepped into Roslyn's quarters from the smoke at the end...
Well, Starbuck's entrance was quite "white" when she stepped into Roslyn's quarters from the smoke at the end...
I really want to see someone kick the frack out of Roslyn....
I really want to see someone kick the frack out of Roslyn....
Haha, that would be awesome - here's hoping!
Awesome battle scene, Kara a Cylon nah (at least I think so), I've got to watch this again. Great start to BSG. Also how come Baltar gets all the women (thought his character had a a lot of laughs this episode)
They always seem to set themselves up for these cliffhangers that basically have to be a cop-out. The cliffhanger after Pegasus, and the Eye of Jupiter cliffhanger are the two that spring to mind, because both of those resolutions sucked. Either Starbuck changes her mind or someone dives in and stops her (it's pretty much bound to be Adama since they dropped that line about her sharing a room with him). Oh well.
I liked the theme of the episode, "miracles." With a little more direct attention, the theme could have become a philosophical focus for the episode. The first season of the show often revolved around such a focus, and were often better, or at least deeper, for it.
Starbuck's flip-out at the end was about the only plot element in the episode that wasn't catch up from the previous season. There was a lot of exposition, as I suppose is natural for a serial's first episode of the season. Some of it was pretty subtle, such as the One True God motif returning to remind us about Baltar's predicament. Other moments tested the actors' ability to speak whole lines of straight-up background plot as naturally as possible. Tsk tsk.
The scene where Lee asks his dad if it would matter if Zack had returned as a cylon all along was a good one. It gives the show an opportunity to mellow the crew's fear of cylons in their midst (which is necessary now that there's so many of themeventually someone's going to find out). I'm looking forward to this, mostly because I'm getting tired of screen time wasted on wondering whether so-and-so is a cylon or not. The writers started us down on this "cylons can be people too" path so long ago. As bad of an idea as I thought it was at the time, I'm glad they're finally pushing it onto the characters and not just the audience. You might as well follow through with what you've started, right?
(To Ronald D. Moore) RIGHT?
Either Starbuck changes her mind or someone dives in and stops her (it's pretty much bound to be Adama since they dropped that line about her sharing a room with him). Oh well.I liked the theme of the episode, "miracles." With a little more direct attention, the theme could have become a philosophical focus for the episode. The first season of the show often revolved around such a focus, and were often better, or at least deeper, for it.
Starbuck's flip-out at the end was about the only plot element in the episode that wasn't catch up from the previous season. There was a lot of exposition, as I suppose is natural for a serial's first episode of the season. Some of it was pretty subtle, such as the One True God motif returning to remind us about Baltar's predicament. Other moments tested the actors' ability to speak whole lines of straight-up background plot as naturally as possible. Tsk tsk.
The scene where Lee asks his dad if it would matter if Zack had returned as a cylon all along was a good one. It gives the show an opportunity to mellow the crew's fear of cylons in their midst (which is necessary now that there's so many of themeventually someone's going to find out). I'm looking forward to this, mostly because I'm getting tired of screen time wasted on wondering whether so-and-so is a cylon or not. The writers started us down on this "cylons can be people too" path so long ago. As bad of an idea as I thought it was at the time, I'm glad they're finally pushing it onto the characters and not just the audience. You might as well follow through with what you've started, right?
(To Ronald D. Moore) RIGHT?
So Chief Tyrell is a cylon, and has a kid. Does this mean there are potentially more human/cylon hybrids?
That would mean that Admiral Adama could be Cylon.
The humanoid cylons have been around since before the first Cylon war since Tigh fought in that war and "has always been a cylon" which could explain why the raiders can recognize the final 5...
It's interesting that the cylon infantry is "lobotomized" and makes one wonder if the skin jobs were originally produced to serve the metalic cylons but somehow managed a coup and started limiting the metalics intelligence to control them. Might this be why the final 5 are in exile? Did they side with the metalics and get pushed out in the original coup? or were they the first to lobotomize the matalics and got pushed out in the coup but somehow managed to leave the matalics limited enough for the other skin jobs to finish the take over?
My guess is that the final 5 fought with the metalics and went into a self imposed exile among the humans and now that the raider recognized Anders, the metalics are going to begin to take back what was taken.
That would mean that Admiral Adama could be Cylon.
The humanoid cylons have been around since before the first Cylon war since Tigh fought in that war and "has always been a cylon" which could explain why the raiders can recognize the final 5...
It's interesting that the cylon infantry is "lobotomized" and makes one wonder if the skin jobs were originally produced to serve the metalic cylons but somehow managed a coup and started limiting the metalics intelligence to control them. Might this be why the final 5 are in exile? Did they side with the metalics and get pushed out in the original coup? or were they the first to lobotomize the matalics and got pushed out in the coup but somehow managed to leave the matalics limited enough for the other skin jobs to finish the take over?
My guess is that the final 5 fought with the metalics and went into a self imposed exile among the humans and now that the raider recognized Anders, the metalics are going to begin to take back what was taken.
Since Hera is a female hybrid and Tyrol's son is a male hybrid perhaps they will lead the new generation. When Galactica finds Earth it will simply be populated with copies of the final five, then a huge war will break out, everyone will die, and Hera and whatever-his-name-is will start anew on Earth, a la Adam and Eve.
Seriously, it will be interesting to see how everything plays out. So many question to be answered, let's hope the writers do a good job in answering them. This is finally the end of a 4-year saga so let's hope the pay-off is a good one!
Seriously, it will be interesting to see how everything plays out. So many question to be answered, let's hope the writers do a good job in answering them. This is finally the end of a 4-year saga so let's hope the pay-off is a good one!
I don't remember him having a kid. Can you tell me where this is mentioned?
Um, him and Callie had a baby when they settled on New Caprica. Their child was featured throughout Season 3. Guess you missed several episodes..
Um, him and Callie had a baby when they settled on New Caprica. Their child was featured throughout Season 3. Guess you missed several episodes..
Thought we were talking about Saul Tigh not Cheif Tyrol. My bad, feel stupid now. Yes, Cheif and Callie's kid, it all makes perfect sense!
Thought we were talking about Saul Tigh not Cheif Tyrol. My bad, feel stupid now. Yes, Cheif and Callie's kid, it all makes perfect sense!
No worries, it's difficult to keep everything straight at times!
For instance, I wouldn't mind a referesher on the Cylon timeline from someone here.
Specifically, when were the Cylons (supposedly) created and when did the actual Cylon war start?
The accepted history in the show (which has now obviously been proved to be wrong) has the Cylons being created by humans (but only in Toaster form), then rebelling, warring and being exiled. But obviously the human models were around at the same time too, if not sooner, even though they are more advanced (?) than the toasters. Since they were not known about until their attack, this implies the humans did not create the human Cylon models or else, well, there would have been record of them. But then who did? How do they old Toasters factor into things then?
For me it comes back to Tigh's age, the fact that he's a Cylon and I want to know when the Cylons were (supposedly) created since he has been one before the war and even before they were supposedly created??
Regardless, the one thing that is obvious is that the human model Cylons were not created by the Toaster models as a more advanced model - the human models (ironically more advanced) were created first - and perhaps they even created the Toaster models, although that was supposed to be the humans...
Ah, fun speculation and theories....
The Human models were created during the War itself weren't they? I thought the Hybrid as seen in Razor was an early experiment by the Toasters at creating a humanoid. So the War obviously went on quite a while, long enough for Saul to have jumped ship and ended up in that bar when Adama walked in.
Since Hera is a female hybrid and Tyrol's son is a male hybrid perhaps they will lead the new generation. When Galactica finds Earth it will simply be populated with copies of the final five, then a huge war will break out, everyone will die, and Hera and whatever-his-name-is will start anew on Earth, a la Adam and Eve.
I believe you mean Adama and Eve.
Perhaps the skin-job cylons have always (or for a very long while) been around, and the creation of the toasters were merely attributed to human creation because no one knew that there were the cylons that looked exactly like humans that actually created them.
Quite possibly - I guess all will be revealed this season! I just hope the writers and RDM have seriously thought this whole thing through and had a plan from the start. Some sort of cop-out ending or deus ex machina resolution simply would not cut it - a great series such as BSG deserves far, far more.
In the original Battlestar Galactica they found Earth but couldn't land because the Cylons were hot on their tail, and Earth only had 20th century technology and wouldn't be able to defend themselves.
This new series is a whole lot more mystical so I have no clue what will happen. I suspect it will be more like The Matrix than the original BSG.
This new series is a whole lot more mystical so I have no clue what will happen. I suspect it will be more like The Matrix than the original BSG.
Yeah, I'm really curious what Earth will turn out to be. I hope there's some big plot twist surrounding it.
Me too, but keep in mind it can't be too radically different from the Earth we know - after all, the Earth in BSG, at one point at least, had Mr. Dylan residing on it.
The date would definitely be up in the air though (apart from being after the 1960's... )
Unfortunately my enjoyment of the BSG premiere was severely diminished by the persistent stuttering at Hulu.com. I honestly can't tell you if I enjoyed the episode or not - I was too busy pausing the episode for minutes at a time to let the buffer build back up.
BSG can't come back to iTunes soon enough.
BSG can't come back to iTunes soon enough.
Well, to quote Leoben (and others), "All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
I honestly think that the ancient scrolls are the record of the very first Cylon war in disguise. Humanity was on Kobol, created the Cylons, who in turn created the first/final five. After the first exile and founding of the colonies, humanity created the Cylons again, who after the first recent war left and encountered the skin-job Cylons from earlier. Round comes the second recent war - the Cylons have re-created more human models and humanity is in exile again. Presumably one way to end the series is to imply that the entire cycle will repeat itself after humanity settles on Earth - another creation of Cylons, another exile, and so forth.
I think the reason why Leoben is so devout and that particular phrase keeps getting repeated is because the Cylons have some sort of deep race memory of these events that they tap into.
Just a thought.
Though my money is on Rosalyn as the last Cylon - neither Adama nor Starbuck make sense, but for reasons I can't quite explain other than instinct.
I honestly think that the ancient scrolls are the record of the very first Cylon war in disguise. Humanity was on Kobol, created the Cylons, who in turn created the first/final five. After the first exile and founding of the colonies, humanity created the Cylons again, who after the first recent war left and encountered the skin-job Cylons from earlier. Round comes the second recent war - the Cylons have re-created more human models and humanity is in exile again. Presumably one way to end the series is to imply that the entire cycle will repeat itself after humanity settles on Earth - another creation of Cylons, another exile, and so forth.
I think the reason why Leoben is so devout and that particular phrase keeps getting repeated is because the Cylons have some sort of deep race memory of these events that they tap into.
Just a thought.
Though my money is on Rosalyn as the last Cylon - neither Adama nor Starbuck make sense, but for reasons I can't quite explain other than instinct.
By the way, folks know that the SciFi channel is also streaming the most recent 6 episodes of BSG on SciFi Rewind, yes? They're also commercial free. Just thought I'd mention it since everyone is talking about Hulu.
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