The Esoteric Agenda

[Tesselator]

I'm just watching this film for the 1st time.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...43037963555139

It's got all three; politics, religion, and social issues. I'm not sure what to think about all o fit. Certainly large segments ring very true. Especially the parts about human being and many parts about the political landscape we find ourselves living in the affect of. The religion part I'm not so sre - it seems too simplistic.

What are your thoughts (any part)?

[MotleyPete]

[Don't panic]

the mother of of conspiracies!
i haven't seen it all (yet).
a few interesting bits and a lot of truly ridonkulous stuff.
(not to mention the purely made-up stuff about DNA)

do they explain Lost at the end of it? i might hold off the last 5 minutes not to spoil the ending....

[leekohler]

Went to the website. Looks like more ridiculous religious goofiness. Nope- sorry, not gonna even bother.

[iJohnHenry]

UG! More meaningless tripe - a waste of my time!

[obeygiant]

At 57 minutes he eviscerates al gore and his global warming thingy.

[MotleyPete]

Al Gore didn't discover climate change.

True story.

[.Andy]

Originally Posted by obeygiant

At 57 minutes he eviscerates al gore and his global warming thingy.

By "eviscerates" do you mean a splices a bunch of cynical logical fallacies and ad hominem attacks that would only appeal to someone who has failed science and doesn't even have a rudimentary understanding of climate change?

Originally Posted by MotleyPete

Al Gore didn't discover climate change.

True story.

But that doesn't mean that if Al Gore can be discredited that it will simultaneously disprove climate change science does it?

[obeygiant]

Originally Posted by .Andy

By "eviscerates" do you mean a splices a bunch of cynical logical fallacies and ad hominem attacks that would only appeal to someone who has failed science and doesn't even have a rudimentary understanding of climate change?

Uhh, yeah. I guess I should have put a sarcasm smilie there. However the ice core drilling guys seem to know what they're doing.


oh and "eviscerates" is the word of the day so you're suppose to scream everytime you hear it.

[Counterfit]

Oh boy, more conspiracy theories!


If the people who made these movies were actually right, they'd be dead.

[.Andy]

Originally Posted by obeygiant

oh and "eviscerates" is the word of the day so you're suppose to scream everytime you hear it.

Allllllllllllllllllllllll Gorreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Illuminnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!


*passes out from hypoxia*

[skunk]

I watched and wondered right up to the point where he said the word "holocaust" was Yiddish.

1+1+1+1+1+1+1=1, or so it seems.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by skunk

I watched and wondered right up to the point where he said the word "holocaust" was Yiddish.

1+1+1+1+1+1+1=1, or so it seems.

Hehehe, yeah, that hit me in the face too. I looked up a bunch of stuff from that film as I watched it. The etymology of the term holocaust was one of them.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The term holocaust originally derived from the Greek word holókauston, meaning a "completely (holos) burnt (kaustos)" sacrificial offering to a god. Its Latin form (holocaustum) was first used with specific reference to a massacre of Jews by the chroniclers Roger of Howden and Richard of Devizes in the 1190s. Since the late 19th century, it has been used primarily to refer to disasters or catastrophes.

The biblical word Shoah (שואה) (also spelled Sho'ah and Shoa), meaning "calamity," became the standard Hebrew term for the Holocaust as early as the 1940s. Shoah is preferred by many Jews for a number of reasons, including the theologically offensive nature of the word holocaust, as a Greek pagan custom.

"Holocaust" and "Shoah" redirect here. For other uses, see Holocaust (disambiguation) and Shoah (disambiguation).

The Holocaust (from the Greek ὁλόκαυστον (holókauston): holos, "completely" and kaustos, "burnt"), also known as haShoah (Hebrew: השואה), Churben (Yiddish: חורבן) is the term generally used to describe the genocide of approximately six million European Jews during World War II, as part of a program of deliberate extermination planned and executed by Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.

There IS a lot of crap in that film but some of it is not so bad I think.


Don't panic,
You sure about that DNA stuff not being accurate? I have no idea myself but I've heard this from maybe 5 different sources in the past 6 years or so.

MotleyPete,
I consider your image post rude, and combative. Please remove it. Thanks man!

[Legolamb]

It's got all three; politics, religion, and social issues. I'm not sure what to think about all o fit.

Watched 'til fluoride bit.
OMG, everything that can be linked must be linked only one way; there is only one Universal truth to explain everything. If it's not religion, money, sex, or aliens, it's probably a conspiracy.
AND OMG I bet you can find a six-degree of separation at the level of the powerful at any time, in any system (and I bet Kevin Bacon is behind every one of them).
OMG, the world is going to end........probably on a Tues.
(BTW, taking odd bits of dialogue and facts out of context is not the best way to convince me of anything).

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by Legolamb

Watched 'til fluoride bit.
OMG,

Careful now, don't be in such a rush to criticize that you miss something important! Check out what you don't actually know. I would (did!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride

Fluoride-containing compounds are so diverse that it is not possible to generalize on their toxicity, which depends on their reactivity and structure, and in the case of salts, their solubility and ability to release fluoride ions.

Soluble fluoride salts, of which NaF is the most common, are mildly toxic but have resulted in both accidental and suicidal deaths from acute poisoning. While the minimum fatal dose in humans is not known, a case of a fatal poisoning of an adult with 4 grams of NaF is documented. Sodium fluorosilicate, Na2SiF6 with its higher fluorine content, can cause death with as little as 0.2 g.[citation needed] The fatal period ranges from 5 min to 12 hours. The mechanism of toxicity involves the combination of the fluoride anion with the calcium ions in the blood to form insoluble calcium fluoride, resulting in hypocalcemia; calcium is indispensable for the function of the nervous system, and the condition can be fatal. Treatment may involve oral administration of dilute calcium hydroxide or calcium chloride to prevent further absorption, and injection of calcium gluconate to increase the calcium levels in the blood. Hydrogen fluoride is more dangerous than salts such as NaF because it is corrosive and volatile, and can result in fatal exposure through inhalation or contact with the skin; calcium gluconate gel is the usual antidote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvid_Carlsson (Read me!)

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[.Andy]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

Careful now, don't be in such a rush to criticize that you miss something important! Check out what you don't actually know. I would (did!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride

Thanks for the heads up. I'd just bought 10 grams of NaF that I was going to have for dinner.

[Don't panic]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

Don't panic,
You sure about that DNA stuff not being accurate? I have no idea myself but I've heard this from maybe 5 different sources in the past 6 years or so.

yes, i am sure. without trying to appear pretentious, that's what i do for a living so i believe i know what i am talking about.

i have skimmed through some parts of the movie, so there might be some parts that i have not seen that might not be incorrect, but the parts that i have seen ('physical' emotional resonance, ions taking up the shape of DNA in its absence and other similarly ludicrous stuff) are beyond being 'not accurate'.

Me walking to the Moon with my wife to have a picnic with brie-de-maux and sauterne, is not accurate.

these sound more like an acid trip (as suggested by the late 60s clip).

i don't feel like going through the whole thing again, but if you want to point to some specific sections (by time) i can give you my take on the specifics.
also i would be genuinely interested to know what/where you heard similar claims from.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by Don't panic

yes, i am sure. without trying to appear pretentious,

You wouldn't be any different that the other bozos in this thread. The Critiquing abilities here are like being in 3rd grade.

...that's what i do for a living so i believe i know what i am talking about.

i have skimmed through some parts of the movie, so there might be some parts that i have not seen that might not be incorrect, but the parts that i have seen ('physical' emotional resonance, ions taking up the shape of DNA in its absence and other similarly ludicrous stuff) are beyond being 'not accurate'.

Me walking to the Moon with my wife to have a picnic with brie-de-maux and sauterne, is not accurate.

these sound more like an acid trip (as suggested by the late 60s clip).

i don't feel like going through the whole thing again, but if you want to point to some specific sections (by time) i can give you my take on the specifics.
also i would be genuinely interested to know what/where you heard similar claims from.

OK, Thanks for that! No, I don't need other specifics. Those were the parts I was asking about. And thanks for being one of the few people here to not act like an a$$! It's appreciated - even though it shouldn't have to be this way.

[és:]

I tried for you, buddy. I really did. I get it my best shot.

Originally Posted by skunk

I watched and wondered right up to the point where he said the word "holocaust" was Yiddish.

1+1+1+1+1+1+1=1, or so it seems.

I lasted a little longer than you. I lasted up 'till about 26 minutes. Right up until they said that Socialism is when the government own all of your things.

''for those of you who are unaware of what it means when a government owns everything of yours... it is called Socialsm''.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by és:

I tried for you, buddy. I really did. I get it my best shot.



I lasted a little longer than you. I lasted up 'till about 26 minutes. Right up until they said that Socialism is when the government own all of your things.

''for those of you who are unaware of what it means when a government owns everything of yours... it is called Socialsm''.

Yeah, I can understand your frustration. I think it's an extrapolated meaning. I think what is being said is that Collectivism usually starts out as socialism but all too often turns into communism. Communism is actually a form of socialism you know - so is Naziism BTW.

So socialism starts out by "shareing the wealth". How does it go:

"From each according to his ability to each according to his needs"

But in a large society (scale of the USA or even 1/2 that) there are too many people who don't want to play nice and certainly don't want to play like that. So arbitration and confiscation comes into play. I think we can all agree that most politicians are corrupt greedy individuals that would sell their grandmothers for power or for a buck. When men like this become in charge of the arbitration and confiscation it is the same thing as "...when a government owns everything of yours... it is called Socialsm''.

Don't you agree?

[és:]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

Yeah, I can understand your frustration. I think it's an extrapolated meaning. I think what is being said is

I think you think too much. What is being said is what I quoted. What he said is wrong.

Communism is actually a form of socialism you know

Firstly, I really don't need to be told about socialism. Secondly, that has absolutely no relevance. You can have all sorts of socialism. You can have Republican Socialism, Libertarian Socialism, Fascist Socialism... whatever you like. It makes no difference to this.

So socialism starts out by "shareing the wealth".

No, it doesn't.

How does it go:

"From each according to his ability to each according to his needs"

How does what go? Karl Marx said that. It has no relevance to what has been said by this utter buffoon that has made this video.

But in a large society (scale of the USA or even 1/2 that) there are too many people who don't want to play nice and certainly don't want to play like that. So arbitration and confiscation comes into play.

Splendid assertion. It'd be more suited to insertion.

I think we can all agree that most politicians are corrupt greedy individuals that would sell their grandmothers for power or for a buck.

I don't think we all can, actually.

When men like this become in charge of the arbitration and confiscation it is the same thing as "...when a government owns everything of yours... it is called Socialsm''.

Don't you agree?

No, I bloody well don't.

However, none of this has anything to do with what was said. He said that "...when a government owns everything of yours... it is called Socialsm'', that isn't just false, it is stupid. You do yourself a disservice by trying to defend (and ultimately make things up in a 'what I think he was saying is...' style) this utter garbage.

[yg17]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

Careful now, don't be in such a rush to criticize that you miss something important! Check out what you don't actually know. I would (did!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvid_Carlsson (Read me!)

.

If you want to be taken seriously in any forum debate, you can start out by not linking to Wikipedia or any other site where any schmuck with an agenda can edit it.

[és:]

Originally Posted by yg17

If you want to be taken seriously in any forum debate

Especially this PRSI forum.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by és:

Firstly, I really don't need to be told about socialism.

Based on your reply I wouldn't agree at all. You might be familiar with one working form of it or something - doubtful (N. Ireland...) - but certainly a possibility.

[és:]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

Based on your reply I wouldn't agree at all.

Being a life long Socialist, I don't really need you to agree with me to feel safe in my own knowledge. Even if I hadn't been a Socialist then God knows I've studied enough to know a bit about it.

You're just one in a long line of American's on this board that don't have the first idea what Socialism actually is. When you, even for a second, tried to back up claims that Socialism is when the government owns all your stuff, then it was obvious that you've not got the first idea what you're talking about. Although, that wasn't much of a shock considering the vast amount of hokum that you've posted on this forum over the last few days.