Apple to Manufacture Verizon-Compatible iPhone in Q3 2010?

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Originally Posted by CaryMacGuy

I think that having a Verizon compatible iPhone makes sense for both Verizon and for Apple. I know that I am not alone in saying that Verizon's 3G EVDO network runs circles around AT&T's 3G network. I know that a ton of people will flock to Verizon and buy the new iPhone. By Q3 2010, I will be at the tail end of my AT&T contract and if this comes to fruition, I will be flocking as well.

As far as the 2.8" screen...I can only see that as a second offering alongside the iPhone. I don't think they would call it the iPhone Nano because that is an iPod thing. Maybe iPhone Cub (to go along with the big cat theme of Mac OS X ).

As far as the Anti iPhone propaganda that Verizon has been spreading lately, Apple will forgive them. All of this is just business. In order for Verizon to effectively market their new Moto Droid, they need to favorable compare it with what people already know and love. Apple and Steve Jobs understand this and I doubt that it will in any way keep the iPhone off Verizon.

One thing is abundantly clear...for anyone following mobile and wireless technology, this is an exciting time. It seems a lot like computers in the 1990s. Everyone is trying to play catch up with everyone else and as a result, we see (and will continue to see) tremendous innovation and really cool products.

So that being said, let the best man win!

this is the most well thought out response so far and i totally agree

[sziehr]

Originally Posted by SandynJosh

Exact same is true in my area. I need a cell phone provider that I can trust to provide a business call connection throughout the duration of a call.

I did visit my Verizon store today and they did not cripple either model of the Droids they offer. I'm carrying a dumb as dirt 5-6 year old Moto flip phone the only cost upcharge will be a $30 per month unlimited digital plan and a $3 per month increase in my handset insurance plan. Multimedia (photos and videos) will cost me 25 cents per transfer.

My base charge is $50/mo for 750 daytime minutes, 300 free texts/mo, and 5 friends and family free unlimited minutes.

I do expect to pay more per app than I would with an iPhone (typically $35 each), and some iPhone apps that can be purchased outright, can only be accessed with Verizon as a $3 to $4 per month charge. That's the "nickle and dime you to death" reputation Verizon has.

If I buy a Moto Droid today, the quickest I could upgrade to a Verizon iPhone (assuming such a thing ever comes to pass) would be July 2012...just in time to go with whatever iPhone would be available on Verizon at that time.

I have now had the droid a day and a half. I can report that i am 80% happy with it. This is amazing considering i have the lofty expectations that the iphone builds up. It gets bonus points though over the 80% in the fact i can do simpel things like change the mail notification tone omg that is so annoying. This is more a phone than a toy. I have always seen my iphone as a toy not as a true phone if i was in danger i do not feel ATT would be there with the coverage in my area. I have kept my vzw and i have never in ten years of service with them had more than a handfull of drop calls in moderate service locations. When on the frindge it is expect and predictable unlike ATT. The frindge is in the woods or the middle of a lake in the middle of no where. The frindge to ATT is 20 min out side of a population base smaller than 150k people.

[raggedjimmi]

Why would a phone not be compatible with a network? Wouldn't Apple just sell the current phone to them and they put their own sim card in?

, confusion.

[iMacmatician]

Originally Posted by jackvalko

Smaller screen is a good thing. Look at the black areas above/below the display. What if those "disappeared"???

That wold be a reduction in display bezel rather than the display itself.

[cmaier]

Originally Posted by raggedjimmi

Why would a phone not be compatible with a network? Wouldn't Apple just sell the current phone to them and they put their own sim card in?

, confusion.

CDMA networks, like Verizon, don't use sim cards. They also use different frequencies, and encode and transmit data using different techniques.

[moondog3]

First off..the iPhone 3G/3Gs has a 3" tall screen and not a 3.5" Screen...next why would Apple make the screen smaller when 16:9 HD is the next step phone video formats..so the screen size rummer is based a false information.

The iPhone is a very data oriented device. I believe AT&T has done an OK job at keeping up with the sheer volume of date used on it's network though it has not done a great job with increasing speed and stability of it's network at all!

Verizon would experience greater speed for awhile untill the volume of data being transferred will increase and create a similar problem that AT&T is having. LTE along with increased spectrum is the only true solution to solving the cellular network data problems. It's is great that both Verizon and AT&T can agree on the LTE being the next standard but until then an Verizon/AT&T iPhone is not a great solution accept for possibility of more competitive pricing of data plans bringing down the astronomical service pricing.

[cmaier]

Originally Posted by moondog3

First off..the iPhone 3G/3Gs has a 3" tall screen and not a 3.5" Screen...next why would Apple make the screen smaller when 16:9 HD is the next step phone video formats..so the screen size rummer is based a false information.

The iPhone is a very data oriented device. I believe AT&T has done an OK job at keeping up with the sheer volume of date used on it's network though it has not done a great job with increasing speed and stability of it's network at all!

Verizon would experience greater speed for awhile untill the volume of data being transferred will increase and create a similar problem that AT&T is having. LTE along with increased spectrum is the only true solution to solving the cellular network data problems. It's is great that both Verizon and AT&T can agree on the LTE being the next standard but until then an Verizon/AT&T iPhone is not a great solution accept for possibility of more competitive pricing of data plans bringing down the astronomical service pricing.

Screens are measured diagonally, not in height. It's a 3.5" screen. http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html.

[Digital Dude]

This is something that's way overdue. It will clearly increase market share and it's a smart format.
Regards,
Dan

[lw9090]

My neighbor works at Sprint and they said they will get the iphone in July too. If its Sprint and ATT I will stay on ATT. Sprint sucks in my area.

[cmaier]

Originally Posted by lw9090

My neighbor works at Sprint and they said they will get the iphone in July too. If its Sprint and ATT I will stay on ATT. Sprint sucks in my area.

Sprint won't be getting the iPhone.

[CQd44]

Originally Posted by cmaier

Sprint won't be getting the iPhone.

My cousin's girlfriend's dad's friend's son works for.....
;]

[Jeffrosproto]

All I have to say: if att hasn't upgraded to 3g in my area (verizon has, att is "planned" for early 2010), I will be paying the $170 ETF to jump ship when/if this comes.

[eloh]

Originally Posted by Cleverboy

Specifically, written in the third paragraph:
Then, to quote the date of the article: Updated 5/23/2007 8:38 PM, by Leslie Cauley.
I cited this same reason in my thread "iPhone will Never Ever... EVER Be On Verizon... at least until...", but USA Today has since revisited the topic, by the same writer:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireles...n-iphone_N.htm

At this point, I'm concerned that Les Cauley's "source" is out of date, and attempting to draw a line of continuity on information that may have since changed, seems dicey. It's very possible some renegotiation has occured if AT&T was unable to keep its promises to Apple. Nobody REALLY knows except the CEOs, lawyers, and middlemen.

Is the 5 year CDMA exclusivity and 3 year distribution deal still what we're seeing? Some people seemed to have gotten them confused. Early on, AT&T would only describe the deal as "multi-year", and "more than two". Now, we're seeing that it was 3 years. Less clear, was the notion that Apple was not to develop a CDMA compatible phone for 5 years. I'm left wondering about Les Cauley's source, and if the information is still up-to-date. Did he really mean "develop" or did he mean "manufacture"? From the job listings for CDMA engineers, it sounds like the word "develop" was inaccurate. So if "develop" was inaccurate, what ELSE was?

I've given up trying to convince anyone that these rumors are just attempts to perpetuate interest. I'm throwing in the towel. Verizon in 2010! Woo-hoo! (Although its probably Sprint).

~ CB

I don't think you know as much as you think you know...

[bigserve99]

att has never been a problem for me. they never drop my calls and always have fast coverage in my area and all the cities I've been to. In fact, Verizon is awful in this area (Westchester, NY). When I'm at my buddy's house, he can never get a signal. I get excellent full bar coverage.

I realize this may not be the experience for every other area. But the reality is that ATT has worked for me. If people want to jump ship over to Verizon and their crappy network, all the more bandwidth for me. Have fun.

[63dot]

Originally Posted by cmaier

Adhesion will never be applied between two companies, each with their own legal teams, who enter into a contract.

You're a patent attorney or patent agent I guess. My buddy in law school is going that route, JD and PhD-Computer Engineering. PM me and explain why adhesion does not apply. I don't want to hijack this thread but I am interested. I heard Len Tillem, local Bay Area attorney, explaining how much more intense patent law is, and how a lot of what I know just doesn't apply. He doesn't even try to pretend to know this stuff so I have nothing but the highest regard for agents and attorneys who work with patents.

[Vega$$$]

Originally Posted by cmaier

Sprint won't be getting the iPhone.

I wouldn't discount the possibility of Sprint getting the iPhone. Supposedly VZW would never get the iPhone and there would never be a CDMA iPhone. Now there is at least speculation that points to both of these possibilities coming true. Of course we have to wait and see what actually happens. However, I'd be wary of making proclamations; the only thing predictable about Apple is its unpredictability.

[smakdown61]

The android app store will fail because no developer will want to make an app that will be pirated for free or copied by some chinese company for 50 cents. Apple's app store is actually a developer's dream...why do you think there are already 100k apps?

[stab244]

Originally Posted by cmaier

CDMA networks, like Verizon, don't use sim cards. They also use different frequencies, and encode and transmit data using different techniques.

Actually, it's only really the lack of a CDMA radio in the iPhone that makes the iPhone not work on Verizon/Sprint. There are SIM-like cards for CDMA phones called R-UIM (Removable-User Identification Module) cards that allows for CDMA phones to gain the benefit of being able to swap phones on the spot.

[CQd44]

Originally Posted by smakdown61

The android app store will fail because no developer will want to make an app that will be pirated for free or copied by some chinese company for 50 cents. Apple's app store is actually a developer's dream...why do you think there are already 100k apps?

But... you can pirate iPhone apps too.

[stab244]

Originally Posted by smakdown61

The android app store will fail because no developer will want to make an app that will be pirated for free or copied by some chinese company for 50 cents. Apple's app store is actually a developer's dream...why do you think there are already 100k apps?

In all honesty, I've heard of more iPhone app pirating rather than Android app pirating... Actually, I've never heard of Android app pirating.

[CQd44]

Originally Posted by stab244

In all honesty, I've heard of more iPhone app pirating rather than Android app pirating... Actually, I've never heard of Android app pirating.

Seconded. I assume it'd be possible (backup apps to sd card, plug that in to another android phone, install the backed up app). Even then I haven't heard of it.

[Ericatomars]

HELL YEA!! I can wait a year...

And everyone forgets that the whole idon't thing was simply to push the droid... It's all about marketing and making money, I can't see Apple taking it personally...

[stab244]

Originally Posted by Ericatomars

HELL YEA!! I can wait a year...

And everyone forgets that the whole idon't thing was simply to push the droid... It's all about marketing and making money, I can't see Apple taking it personally...

Why else would commercials be made if they didn't want to market a product and make money? Though I do agree that Apple probably doesn't care about it.

[Abercrombieboy]

Originally Posted by cmaier

Sprint won't be getting the iPhone.

and Macs will never get Intel processors.

[cmaier]

Originally Posted by Abercrombieboy

and Macs will never get Intel processors.

Wow, that's quite some argument. Now, if *I* had said "macs will never get Intel processors," you could at least undermine my credibility. But simply stating that Event A happened, therefore Event B will happen, you not only prove nothing, but don't even advance your ball.

By your distorted logic, the following things will also happen:

a) you will wake up tomorrow to find yourself made of blue cheese
b) Microsoft will buy Uganda and rename it Bob
c) squirrels will spontaneously evolve thumbs and take all our jobs

Sprint will not get iPhone in the next 5 years. Verizon might, but not until LTE.