[Poll] Have you or are you planning on downgrading to 10.5?

ss957916 · Sep 27, 2009, 04:30 PM

For me and my Summer 2009 MacBook Pro, Snow Leopard has been nothing but a headache from the day it was installed.

Tonnes of application crashes (Safari, Preview, Numbers, Pages, Handbrake, Mail etc. etc.) which has also resulted in some work being lost, wifi drops, system crashes, freezes, spinning beachballs and no noticeable increase in speed or performance to make up for it has made me yearn for good old stable Leopard.

So I've downgraded and my Mac feels safe and steady once again!

What about you? Are you happy with SL? Is it good for you or are you just going to stick with it through this tricky time?

cjmillsnun · Sep 27, 2009, 05:12 PM

Not had one single crash with Snow.

Mac N Tosh · Sep 27, 2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ss957916

For me and my Summer 2009 MacBook Pro, Snow Leopard has been nothing but a headache from the day it was installed.

Tonnes of application crashes (Safari, Preview, Numbers, Pages, Handbrake, Mail etc. etc.) which has also resulted in some work being lost, wifi drops, system crashes, freezes, spinning beachballs and no noticeable increase in speed or performance to make up for it has made me yearn for good old stable Leopard.

So I've downgraded and my Mac feels safe and steady once again!

What about you? Are you happy with SL? Is it good for you or are you just going to stick with it through this tricky time?

Is it painless going back...?? I have been holding off...Too many crashes with Handbrake and many others..

maflynn · Sep 27, 2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac N Tosh

Is it painless going back...?? I have been holding off...Too many crashes with Handbrake and many others..

If you call reformatting and reinstalling your apps painless - yeah its painless

maflynn · Sep 27, 2009, 07:31 PM

Overall, I've had zero problems and wouldn't think of downgrading. SL has been an exceedingly smooth upgrade and my apps work as I had hoped.

brendon2020 · Sep 27, 2009, 08:55 PM

no major issues on multiple installs, glad i upgraded. The performance difference in mail and some of the other apps is well worth it.

miniConvert · Sep 27, 2009, 08:58 PM

Am assuming you did an Archive & Install of Snow Leopard before ditching it for Leopard? :S

iLog.Genius · Sep 27, 2009, 09:02 PM

The only annoyance I have right now is beach balls in Safari. With Leopard, Safari felt much more smooth and responsive. With SL, it feels like there's a delay when I click on a link or menu item which usually occurs in the beach ball. It hasn't crashed which is a good thing so I hope future updates will tweak it to Leopard standards.

MTShipp · Sep 27, 2009, 09:18 PM

I rolled back both my Macs to 10.5. Mainly due to the breaking of TM. The inability to backup any more was the final straw after experiencing beach balls in Safari and the corruption of accounts more than once.

Once I see fixes out for these issues, I will go back to SL.

Mew2468 · Sep 27, 2009, 09:22 PM

Snow Leopard works fine for me. Not planning on downgrading anytime soon.

RiverFox · Sep 27, 2009, 09:27 PM

On my MacBook it runs ok, on my MacMini. Ugh - It's like watching a perfectly good computer eat itself from the inside out.

Nothing but problems since the install. I even did a fresh clean wipe and reload. Most of my apps are crashing now and as soon Rosetta kicks in - oh my lord... it's unbearable.

I'm just gonna copy my files over to the backup drive, nuke it and reinstall 10.5 - never had one problem with it.

Even running the beta of SL wasn't this painful.

sputacus · Sep 27, 2009, 10:10 PM

No problem with SL - got rid of my 10.5.8 backup clone last week.

toolbox · Sep 27, 2009, 10:43 PM

When i got my copy i erased the entire disk, BUT when i needed to start editing film for a friend i was unable to do this in 10.6 imovie wasn't importing clips properly they were coming in as widescreen even though it was set as 4:3 and it crashed a couple of times so i had to then dual boot with 10.5.8 to complete the task. I still have the dual boot option there just in case.

But i am in SL 99% of the time.

Am3822 · Sep 28, 2009, 12:17 PM

Had a couple of Parallels/CrossOver-related kernel panics, most likely because I've tried to be too clever for my own good and run in 64bit. I'm not eager to reinstall 10.5, but if all else fails I'll do so. Once re-installed, will I be able to restore the mail/photographs directories from my time-machine backup?

durija · Sep 28, 2009, 12:25 PM

My problems have been minor. I tried several methods to install, but I seem to have gotten the best result when I erased the drive first but then used my clone of 10.5.8 as the source for all of my apps and data. Some of the things I expected to be trouble, like Creative Suite, have been fine.

Quicksilver (which I love) is buggy now, so I hope a replacement becomes available soon.

And I'm keeping my clone for a while, since not quite everything works perfectly. I've got enough space on one external to keep a clone of both 10.5.8 and 10.6.1 in separate partitions. But I'm sticking with SL. It's the future, obviously.

ss957916 · Sep 28, 2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac N Tosh

Is it painless going back...?? I have been holding off...Too many crashes with Handbrake and many others..

I've been on 10.5 for two days now and I can honestly say that I don't see any negatives. It's just as fast as it was and hasn't crashed once.

Quote:

Am assuming you did an Archive & Install of Snow Leopard before ditching it for Leopard?

Actually no, I did an erase and install (you have to, SL won't let you downgrade without erasing). If you mean when I first installed SL, I did a clean re-install of 10.5 then installed 10.6 in the hope of avoiding all these issues!

I could kind of understand having issues if I had a 3yr old Mac, or it was stuffed with pirated software, or I used it to watch tonnes of malware-laden porn. But it's just a straight forward, brand-new Mac with legit software.

Am3822 · Sep 29, 2009, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by durija

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Quicksilver (which I love) is buggy now, so I hope a replacement becomes available soon.

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Have you installed the latest version (Beta56a7 / build 3825)?

zbasarab · Sep 29, 2009, 01:26 AM

I've had a few minor issues, but wouldn't think of downgrading. I can live with the occasional crash or weird bug.

MythicFrost · Sep 29, 2009, 02:00 AM

I love Snow Leopard, I boot up (I think) and shut down faster, restarting/sleeping + waking from sleep is faster I think.

My apps might be a bit faster, few graphical glitches, this is with an upgrade on a 6 month old Mac Pro.

Meh CS4 crashes almost every time I close it... bit weird.

Go Snowy! I'll do a clean install when I get my Intel X25-M G2 160GB

Kind Regards

jmann · Sep 29, 2009, 02:01 AM

<3 for Snow Leopard.

devburke · Sep 29, 2009, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maflynn

If you call reformatting and reinstalling your apps painless - yeah its painless

Time Machine man, Time Machine!

Europe calling · Sep 29, 2009, 05:00 AM

I am not happy with SL. Since SL TM can't connect to its backup disk anymore, where my 10.5.8 backup resides. It gives a 109 error (can't connect to sparsebundle...)
If i could i would downgrade. SL should not have been released. For me it was one of the most buggy updates ever

djellison · Sep 29, 2009, 05:25 AM

If I could wind back time and not bother with SL all together - I would. But I can't be bothered to do a clean reinstall again.

durija · Sep 29, 2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Am3822

Have you installed the latest version (Beta56a7 / build 3825)?

Yes, I have. But despite my best effort to delete all traces of QS, preferences seem to persist, and more importantly, it's not reindexing the catalog, so if I move anything or go anyplace new, it's not working. I don't want to hijack this thread, so I guess I'd better start my own.

johnmadden78 · Sep 29, 2009, 11:16 AM

No problem at all on my early '08 MBP. Haven't even had any of the documented issues with Adobe CS3.

View Poll Results: How are you getting on with Snow Leopard?
It's great and I'm loving the fact I upgraded	77	69.37%
I'm having problems but will stick with it	18	16.22%
I've had enough and have downgraded	7	6.31%
I haven't gone there yet - I'll wait for everyone else to have the headaches	9	8.11%
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Sep 27, 2009, 04:30 PM	#1
ss957916 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jun 2009	[Poll] Have you or are you planning on downgrading to 10.5? For me and my Summer 2009 MacBook Pro, Snow Leopard has been nothing but a headache from the day it was installed. Tonnes of application crashes (Safari, Preview, Numbers, Pages, Handbrake, Mail etc. etc.) which has also resulted in some work being lost, wifi drops, system crashes, freezes, spinning beachballs and no noticeable increase in speed or performance to make up for it has made me yearn for good old stable Leopard. So I've downgraded and my Mac feels safe and steady once again! What about you? Are you happy with SL? Is it good for you or are you just going to stick with it through this tricky time?

Sep 27, 2009, 05:12 PM	#2
cjmillsnun macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2009	Not had one single crash with Snow. __________________ MacBook 5,2 2.0 GHz, 2GB, 250GB, OSX 10.6.2; iPhone 3g 8 GB; 27" iMac C2D 3,06 GHz, 4GB, 1TB, OSX 10.6.2; iPod 5g 30GB; MacBook 5,2 2.0 GHz, 2GB, 120GB, OSX 10.6.2

Sep 27, 2009, 07:31 PM	#5
maflynn Contributor Join Date: May 2009	Overall, I've had zero problems and wouldn't think of downgrading. SL has been an exceedingly smooth upgrade and my apps work as I had hoped. __________________ Unibody MacBook Pro 2.53 GHz, 4GB ram, 500GB HDD; iPhone 3Gs 32GB

Sep 27, 2009, 08:58 PM	#7
miniConvert macrumors 68030 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kent, UK - the 'Garden of England'.	Am assuming you did an Archive & Install of Snow Leopard before ditching it for Leopard? :S __________________ Where are we? What the hell is going on? --Hide And Seek, Imogen Heap

Sep 27, 2009, 08:55 PM	#6
brendon2020 macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Jul 2007	no major issues on multiple installs, glad i upgraded. The performance difference in mail and some of the other apps is well worth it.

Sep 27, 2009, 09:02 PM	#8
iLog.Genius macrumors 68020 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario	The only annoyance I have right now is beach balls in Safari. With Leopard, Safari felt much more smooth and responsive. With SL, it feels like there's a delay when I click on a link or menu item which usually occurs in the beach ball. It hasn't crashed which is a good thing so I hope future updates will tweak it to Leopard standards. __________________ 15.4" MacBook Pro 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, WD Scorpio Blue 500GB HDD, GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT

Sep 27, 2009, 09:18 PM	#9
MTShipp macrumors regular Join Date: Mar 2009	I rolled back both my Macs to 10.5. Mainly due to the breaking of TM. The inability to backup any more was the final straw after experiencing beach balls in Safari and the corruption of accounts more than once. Once I see fixes out for these issues, I will go back to SL. __________________ 2009 iMac 24" / 4850 / 8 GB RAM 2009 Mac Mini 2.0 / 4 GB RAM (1) iPhone 3GS (2) iPod Touch 2G (2) iPod Nano 4G

Sep 27, 2009, 09:22 PM	#10
Mew2468 macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Home of the 2010 Winter Games	Snow Leopard works fine for me. Not planning on downgrading anytime soon. __________________ 13" Unibody MacBook Pro, 2.53 GHz, 4GB RAM \| 16GB 1st Gen iPod Touch Search before you post: MRoogle

Sep 27, 2009, 09:27 PM	#11
RiverFox macrumors member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ione, CA	On my MacBook it runs ok, on my MacMini. Ugh - It's like watching a perfectly good computer eat itself from the inside out. Nothing but problems since the install. I even did a fresh clean wipe and reload. Most of my apps are crashing now and as soon Rosetta kicks in - oh my lord... it's unbearable. I'm just gonna copy my files over to the backup drive, nuke it and reinstall 10.5 - never had one problem with it. Even running the beta of SL wasn't this painful. __________________ -- 2001 MacBook G4 Beatles Edition" (Only one) @ 10.4 - 1GB RAM, 300GB -- 2007 MacBook2, 1 @ 10.6 - 4GB RAM, 1TB -- 2007 MacMini2, 1 @ 10.6 - 4GB RAM, 2TB -*- 2007 iPodTouch 8GB 3.1 (Found)

Sep 27, 2009, 10:10 PM	#12
sputacus macrumors member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Duncanville TX	No problem with SL - got rid of my 10.5.8 backup clone last week. __________________ 17" Unibody Macbook Pro, 2.93 GHz, 8 GB RAM, 320 GB HD @ 7200, OSX 10.6.2

Sep 27, 2009, 10:43 PM	#13
toolbox macrumors 68000 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Western Australia	When i got my copy i erased the entire disk, BUT when i needed to start editing film for a friend i was unable to do this in 10.6 imovie wasn't importing clips properly they were coming in as widescreen even though it was set as 4:3 and it crashed a couple of times so i had to then dual boot with 10.5.8 to complete the task. I still have the dual boot option there just in case. But i am in SL 99% of the time. __________________ 15 Macbook Pro \| C2D 2.4 \| 4 GB \| 500 GB HD 13 Macbook \| CD 2.4 \| 2GB \| 160 GB HDD

Sep 28, 2009, 12:17 PM	#14
Am3822 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Groningen, The Netherlands	Had a couple of Parallels/CrossOver-related kernel panics, most likely because I've tried to be too clever for my own good and run in 64bit. I'm not eager to reinstall 10.5, but if all else fails I'll do so. Once re-installed, will I be able to restore the mail/photographs directories from my time-machine backup? __________________ Bring back to OS X proper multi-lingual support.

Sep 28, 2009, 12:25 PM	#15
durija macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle	My problems have been minor. I tried several methods to install, but I seem to have gotten the best result when I erased the drive first but then used my clone of 10.5.8 as the source for all of my apps and data. Some of the things I expected to be trouble, like Creative Suite, have been fine. Quicksilver (which I love) is buggy now, so I hope a replacement becomes available soon. And I'm keeping my clone for a while, since not quite everything works perfectly. I've got enough space on one external to keep a clone of both 10.5.8 and 10.6.1 in separate partitions. But I'm sticking with SL. It's the future, obviously. __________________ 20" iMac AL • 2.4 GHz • 4GB RAM • Snow Leopard/Leopard/XP/W7 • ATI Radeon HD2600 \| Dell Mini 9 (Hackbook) • 1.6 GHz • 2GB RAM • Leopard

Sep 29, 2009, 01:26 AM	#18
zbasarab macrumors member Join Date: May 2009	I've had a few minor issues, but wouldn't think of downgrading. I can live with the occasional crash or weird bug.

Sep 29, 2009, 02:00 AM	#19
MythicFrost macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2009	I love Snow Leopard, I boot up (I think) and shut down faster, restarting/sleeping + waking from sleep is faster I think. My apps might be a bit faster, few graphical glitches, this is with an upgrade on a 6 month old Mac Pro. Meh CS4 crashes almost every time I close it... bit weird. Go Snowy! I'll do a clean install when I get my Intel X25-M G2 160GB Kind Regards __________________ God made Apple.

Sep 29, 2009, 02:01 AM	#20
jmann Contributor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: stuffing my face	<3 for Snow Leopard. __________________ DFU Mode - Recovery Mode

Sep 29, 2009, 05:00 AM	#22
Europe calling macrumors regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands	Want to downgrade but can't: SL messed up TM connection I am not happy with SL. Since SL TM can't connect to its backup disk anymore, where my 10.5.8 backup resides. It gives a 109 error (can't connect to sparsebundle...) If i could i would downgrade. SL should not have been released. For me it was one of the most buggy updates ever __________________ 15.4" Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo Penryn, 2,5Ghz, 4 Gb RAM \| OSX 10.6.2 \| 23" ACD

Sep 29, 2009, 05:25 AM	#23
djellison macrumors 68000 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Leicester, UK	If I could wind back time and not bother with SL all together - I would. But I can't be bothered to do a clean reinstall again.

Sep 29, 2009, 11:16 AM	#25
johnmadden78 macrumors member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dublin, Ireland	No problem at all on my early '08 MBP. Haven't even had any of the documented issues with Adobe CS3.

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