So... does the Magic Mouse fix the Mighty Mouse's fatal flaw?

WilliamG · Oct 20, 2009, 02:41 PM

One of my absolute biggest pet peeves with the Mighty Mouse (aside from the input lag), was that you had to LIFT your middle finger off the right side of the mouse for the left click to register. You simply cannot rest your right-clicking finger on the mouse and left click with your pointer finger.

I really hope Apple addressed this, but why do I doubt it?

Transporteur · Oct 20, 2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamG

I really hope Apple addressed this, but why do I doubt it?

Cause you have seen the new video for the magic mouse?

Every time I got a new mighty mouse with my Macs, I threw them back in the box. They just suck!
Especially because one has to lift the left finger to do a right click. They did not change that with the magic mouse, so I will still stick to the good old Microsoft Optical.

gr8tfly · Oct 20, 2009, 02:46 PM

I've always been able to keep all fingers down when "left" clicking on my MM. Do you mean "right", or "secondary"? If so, then the index finger must be lifted, with the middle finger touching the right side. It sounds like the Magic Mouse works the same way.

WilliamG · Oct 20, 2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gr8tfly

I've always been able to keep all fingers down when "left" clicking on my MM. Do you mean "right", or "secondary"? If so, then the index finger must be lifted, with the middle finger touching the right side. It sounds like the Magic Mouse works the same way.

Yes, sorry. For right clicking. I feel like it's a balancing act with the Apple mice.

spinedoc77 · Oct 20, 2009, 03:17 PM

I don't know why I'm in the minority, but I absolutely love my Mighty Mouse. I never had an issue with clicking, but I think I've always instinctively raised my fingers off slightly when left or right clicking, even with older "regular" mice.

As for the OP's question I read, I believe it was Gizmodo, that yes it has the same limitation where you have to lift your finger off to perform the other click.

gr8tfly · Oct 20, 2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spinedoc77

I don't know why I'm in the minority, but I absolutely love my Mighty Mouse. I never had an issue with clicking, but I think I've always instinctively raised my fingers off slightly when left or right clicking, even with older "regular" mice....

Same here. It's actually harder to right click when keeping the index finger down.

SpookTheHamster · Oct 20, 2009, 04:17 PM

Was so close to buying one of these, until I found out it STILL has that problem.

When will Apple realise that there is a lot of software that requires a user to left AND right click at the same time?

jessica. · Oct 20, 2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SpookTheHamster

Was so close to buying one of these, until I found out it STILL has that problem.

When will Apple realise that there is a lot of software that requires a user to left AND right click at the same time?

Umm you haven't even used it yet. No one has really.
The fatal flaw is that ****ing ball.

bartelby · Oct 20, 2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jessica.

Umm you haven't even used it yet. No one has really.
The fatal flaw is that ****ing ball.

That "****ing ball" has never given me any trouble... Just saying...

three · Oct 20, 2009, 04:21 PM

The fatal flaw of the Mighty Mouse was the ball, it was easily clogged and stopped scrolling up (or down in some cases). It isn't hard to lift your middle finger up off of the mouse to right click.

Coroe · Oct 20, 2009, 04:29 PM

Uh, the new Magic Mouse looks all nice and shiny, but why the heck can't I tap to click? Wouldn't that be the big advantage of a multi-touch mouse? I hate to do a mechanical click, that's so industrial and 1840-ish.

NT1440 · Oct 20, 2009, 04:31 PM

Lol anyone amazed that we've actually gotten to the point where it is too much effort to lift a finger?

What is this the friggin Jetsons?

Nermal · Oct 20, 2009, 04:33 PM

One of the apps I run makes use of holding both buttons simultaneously. It sounds like this new mouse won't allow that; can anyone confirm or deny?

Cougarcat · Oct 20, 2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NT1440

Lol anyone amazed that we've actually gotten to the point where it is too much effort to lift a finger?

What is this the friggin Jetsons?

Well for games, if you can't use both the buttons at the same time, you might as well throw away the mouse. Also, I think that this flaw is responsible for the annoying characteristic of the other button getting "clicked" when I didn't want it to. When I was forced to use the mighty mouse, I'd inadvertently get the contextual menu all the time. Soooo annoying!

In addition to the question posed in this thread, I'm also wondering what happens when you try to use this in Bootcamp, as it says 10.5.8 is required. Does it work, minus the multitouch features? Or is it a brick? If it doesn't work, I wonder if Apple will write Bootcamp drivers for it in the future.

dangil · Oct 20, 2009, 05:06 PM

what about middle click ?! without a scroll ball, how can I middle click a link in firefox to open in another window?

that is essential...

Command-Click is not acceptable..

Apple is so stubborn ... they resist adopting standard functionality for years... then when they finally adopt, it is in a twisted way that doesn't work as well... like the 2-button mouse...

SpookTheHamster · Oct 20, 2009, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jessica.

Umm you haven't even used it yet. No one has really.
The fatal flaw is that ****ing ball.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/20/n...uick-hands-on/

Still requires a lift to right click, and therefore cannot right+left click at the same time, so is pointless for anyone that uses games or CAD.

NT1440 · Oct 20, 2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SpookTheHamster

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/20/n...uick-hands-on/

Still requires a lift to right click, and therefore cannot right+left click at the same time, so is pointless for anyone that uses games or CAD.

Don't gamers usually buy the crap they want thats tailor made for gaming anyway?

glossywhite · Oct 20, 2009, 06:57 PM

I *really* don't see how lifting the other finger when clicking, is such a problem. Yes, the Mighty mouse FATAL flaw was using ball mouse technology in an optical mouse - a rather short-sighted step backwards, considering the rest of it was a move forwards.

Are these available in bricks and mortar Apple stores, yet?. I want one!

MattZani · Oct 20, 2009, 07:31 PM

Hopefully the .kext can be modified to let you tap to click, rather than click. They should of just taken the click out completely, then one finger tap is left click, 2 finger is right click etc.

ButtUglyJeff · Oct 20, 2009, 07:39 PM

This mouse is "Multi-Touch", correct?

If that's the case, then a click using 2 fingers would be considered a "Right"......

illibball087 · Oct 20, 2009, 07:57 PM

you dont game seriously if you use this mouse. this mouse is more of a luxury type mouse not for serious use. a wired mouse with a higher dpi and physical buttons is necessary for proper gaming

hitekalex · Oct 20, 2009, 08:45 PM

Agree with the sentiments above - just losing the scroll ball alone will be a big step forward. I just look forward to never having to clean the non-responsible scroll ball ever again!

Multi-finger gestures are also very welcome - very used to them on my MBA, so going back to trackpad-less desktop seemed like a step backwards. Although the actual gestures are different from Macbook trackpads, so will see how that works out.

Finally, I hope pinch/zoom gesture support is added down the road. I would think this should be a matter of software update, as the mouse itself is multitouch capable.

lixuelai · Oct 20, 2009, 08:55 PM

Should just save the money and buy a Logitech mouse. Might not look as elegant but much more functional. Never liked any Apple mice. They should just move on to a touchpad for the desktops already.

thegoldenmackid · Oct 20, 2009, 08:59 PM

If they can't make a ball function correctly...

Icaras · Oct 20, 2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by illibball087

you dont game seriously if you use this mouse. this mouse is more of a luxury type mouse not for serious use. a wired mouse with a higher dpi and physical buttons is necessary for proper gaming

Well I game seriously, and I would really love to be able to use this mouse. I really love its new design and multi-touch capabilities, and I don't want to hassle myself with two mice, with one for work and one for games.

Shame that there is an inherent flaw, but like I discussed in another Magic Mouse thread, I don't think its difficult to imagine this not being easily corrected by a software update.

Could anyone tell me why this couldn't be possible?

Oct 20, 2009, 02:41 PM	#1
WilliamG macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2008	So... does the Magic Mouse fix the Mighty Mouse's fatal flaw? One of my absolute biggest pet peeves with the Mighty Mouse (aside from the input lag), was that you had to LIFT your middle finger off the right side of the mouse for the left click to register. You simply cannot rest your right-clicking finger on the mouse and left click with your pointer finger. I really hope Apple addressed this, but why do I doubt it?

Oct 20, 2009, 02:46 PM	#3
gr8tfly macrumors 68040 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 119W 34N	I've always been able to keep all fingers down when "left" clicking on my MM. Do you mean "right", or "secondary"? If so, then the index finger must be lifted, with the middle finger touching the right side. It sounds like the Magic Mouse works the same way. __________________ Macs from 1984 to 17" UB MBP, from Newton to iPhone 3G S⃣ , iPods, and tv.

Oct 20, 2009, 04:21 PM	#10
three macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington	The fatal flaw of the Mighty Mouse was the ball, it was easily clogged and stopped scrolling up (or down in some cases). It isn't hard to lift your middle finger up off of the mouse to right click. __________________ T H R E E Intel Mac mini - MacBook Air - iMac G4 - iMac G3 Green 16GB iPod nano (5G) - 8GB iPod touch (1G) - Black 4GB iPod shuffle (3G) - Sprint HTC Hero

Oct 20, 2009, 06:57 PM	#18
glossywhite macrumors 6502a Join Date: Feb 2008	I really don't see how lifting the other finger when clicking, is such a problem. Yes, the Mighty mouse FATAL flaw was using ball mouse technology in an optical mouse - a rather short-sighted step backwards, considering the rest of it was a move forwards. Are these available in bricks and mortar Apple stores, yet?. I want one! __________________ http://www.facebook.com

Oct 20, 2009, 07:31 PM	#19
MattZani macrumors 65816 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Weymouth, UK	Hopefully the .kext can be modified to let you tap to click, rather than click. They should of just taken the click out completely, then one finger tap is left click, 2 finger is right click etc. __________________ 15" Macbook Pro Early '08, 2.5Ghz, 512Mb 8600M GT, 4Gb OCZ DDR2, 250Gb Hdd 32Gb Black iPhone 3G S⃣ 16Gb Orange iPod Nano 5G

Oct 20, 2009, 03:17 PM	#5
spinedoc77 macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2009	I don't know why I'm in the minority, but I absolutely love my Mighty Mouse. I never had an issue with clicking, but I think I've always instinctively raised my fingers off slightly when left or right clicking, even with older "regular" mice. As for the OP's question I read, I believe it was Gizmodo, that yes it has the same limitation where you have to lift your finger off to perform the other click.

Oct 20, 2009, 04:17 PM	#7
SpookTheHamster macrumors 65816 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hants & London, UK	Was so close to buying one of these, until I found out it STILL has that problem. When will Apple realise that there is a lot of software that requires a user to left AND right click at the same time?

Oct 20, 2009, 04:29 PM	#11
Coroe macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2009	Uh, the new Magic Mouse looks all nice and shiny, but why the heck can't I tap to click? Wouldn't that be the big advantage of a multi-touch mouse? I hate to do a mechanical click, that's so industrial and 1840-ish.

Oct 20, 2009, 04:31 PM	#12
NT1440 macrumors 601 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rochester	Lol anyone amazed that we've actually gotten to the point where it is too much effort to lift a finger? What is this the friggin Jetsons?

Oct 20, 2009, 04:33 PM	#13
Nermal Demi-God (Moderator) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Whakatane, New Zealand	One of the apps I run makes use of holding both buttons simultaneously. It sounds like this new mouse won't allow that; can anyone confirm or deny?

Oct 20, 2009, 05:06 PM	#15
dangil macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2003	what about middle click ?! without a scroll ball, how can I middle click a link in firefox to open in another window? that is essential... Command-Click is not acceptable.. Apple is so stubborn ... they resist adopting standard functionality for years... then when they finally adopt, it is in a twisted way that doesn't work as well... like the 2-button mouse...

Oct 20, 2009, 07:39 PM	#20
ButtUglyJeff macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New York. The state, not the toilet.	This mouse is "Multi-Touch", correct? If that's the case, then a click using 2 fingers would be considered a "Right"...... __________________ I know what you're thinking, and yes, I'm really that awful looking................

Oct 20, 2009, 07:57 PM	#21
illibball087 macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2009	you dont game seriously if you use this mouse. this mouse is more of a luxury type mouse not for serious use. a wired mouse with a higher dpi and physical buttons is necessary for proper gaming __________________ 32gb 3rd Gen iPod Touch Blackberry Curve 8520

Oct 20, 2009, 08:45 PM	#22
hitekalex macrumors 6502a Join Date: Feb 2008	Agree with the sentiments above - just losing the scroll ball alone will be a big step forward. I just look forward to never having to clean the non-responsible scroll ball ever again! Multi-finger gestures are also very welcome - very used to them on my MBA, so going back to trackpad-less desktop seemed like a step backwards. Although the actual gestures are different from Macbook trackpads, so will see how that works out. Finally, I hope pinch/zoom gesture support is added down the road. I would think this should be a matter of software update, as the mouse itself is multitouch capable. __________________ iPhone 3GS 32GB \| MacBook Air 2.13Ghz SSD w/ LED Cinema 24" \| Mac Mini 2.26Ghz 4GB/320GB Blu-ray \| AppleTV 40GB (2)

Oct 20, 2009, 08:55 PM	#23
lixuelai macrumors 6502 Join Date: Oct 2008	Should just save the money and buy a Logitech mouse. Might not look as elegant but much more functional. Never liked any Apple mice. They should just move on to a touchpad for the desktops already. __________________ uMacBookPro 15, 2.4GHz P8600, 9600GT, 4GB DDR3, 320GB 7K320 HP 2140 Ipod Nano 4th Gen 8GB

Oct 20, 2009, 08:59 PM	#24
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